Some bad Dudes will not make the mains in 450 this year

Spoonguy
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12/27/2023 5:23am
Herr Lich wrote:
These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there. ...

These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there.  You could have 22 supercross champions on the gate (a deep field) but it would still be two or three winning all the races with a maximum of two random winners thrown in.  I think a field is deep when there are a lot of great riders on the gate - like this year - rather than on how many could potentially win a race.  An example of a weak field was the tail end of the 23 season.  It seemed that local C riders on quads were getting into the mains by the end of the season. 

yak651 wrote:
Can you list the name of the local C quad guys? Such a terrible take when any of these guys would clean up at a non-ama...

Can you list the name of the local C quad guys? Such a terrible take when any of these guys would clean up at a non-ama pro super cross yet you want to for some reason try to belittle their skills 🙄

Exactly.  Anybody making an SX main will destroy the absolute fastest local guys at any track.  You should see how fast a guy like Josh Cartwright...

Exactly.  Anybody making an SX main will destroy the absolute fastest local guys at any track.  You should see how fast a guy like Josh Cartwright is for example at a normal track against "A" riders.

I think that goes without saying, it's obvious. But just because Mitch Trubinsky is a shit ton better quaterback than your local high school star doesn't mean he should be an NFL starter. Anxiously waiting for the "they are better rider than you" drop.

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12/27/2023 2:16pm
truck wrote:
Lot of privateers lately have said they go 450 because it pays better. If guys keep staying in it longer like this that will stop being...

Lot of privateers lately have said they go 450 because it pays better. If guys keep staying in it longer like this that will stop being true and I think we'll see a lot more privateers staying in 250 and overall less room for younger talent that isn't in factory team pipeline. 

Boomslang wrote:

There is also the cost factor of building a competitive 250 which makes the decision to go 450 much easier.

And the fact they would have half the races in the 250 class which would hurt their chances of making  mains,

Yes will be tough for those guys but still think they will stay in the 450.

 

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12/27/2023 2:24pm

The extended season of 450 adds to the amount of injuries compared to 250. Making it more likely for a privateer to get to a main later in the season if he remains healthy.

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12/27/2023 2:41pm
Sully wrote:

Barcia’s the oldest dude on that list, followed by Eli. You really think those 2 are ‘turning laps to cash checks?’ Pretty goofy take. 

Nighttrain wrote:
Jett, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. Who else is going to win a Main? Ferrandis is probably my favorite rider of the last 20 years so I...

Jett, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. Who else is going to win a Main? Ferrandis is probably my favorite rider of the last 20 years so I hope I’m wrong about him. It’s the same every year if you’ve been watching the sport for a while. “Deepest field ever…” until gates start dropping.

crusty_xx wrote:
A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains. Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last...

A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains.

Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last year. There's not enough spots on the main gate for them this year. LCQs might be some of the best racing in 450 this season 

For sure some of the most aggressive racing of the night!

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12/27/2023 4:06pm
TeamGreen wrote:
HRC Honda  H Lawrence  J Lawrence  Monster Kawasaki  J Anderson A Cianciarulo  TLD Red Bull Gas Gas J Barcia  J Prado  Rockstar Husqvarna  C Craig M...

HRC Honda 

H Lawrence 

J Lawrence 

Monster Kawasaki 

J Anderson

A Cianciarulo 

TLD Red Bull Gas Gas

J Barcia 

J Prado 

Rockstar Husqvarna 

C Craig

M Stewart

Red Bull KTM 

C Sexton

A Plessinger 

Monster Energy Star Racing Yamaha

E Tomac

C Webb

J Cooper 

HEP Progressive/Twisted Tea Suzuki

K Roczen

K Chisholm 

S McElrath

Bar X Suzuki

D Drake 

Phoenix FC Honda 

D Ferrandis

Fire Power Honda 

D Wilson 

Liqui-Moly Beta 

B Bloss

C Nichols

MCR Honda 

V Friese 

Team Tedder 

J Hill

Partzilla Kawasaki 

C Clason 

HBI Racing 

T Masterpool 

Rock River Yamaha 

G Harlan 

D Simonson 

Madd Parts Kawasaki 

F Noren 

J Cartwright 

Privateers 

K Moranz

J Starling 

R Pape

L Karnow

New Teams/Programs 

J Robin

J Rodbell

T Lane 

H Schlosser 

C Copp

S Meshey 

Well, that’s most of’em…So, pick the 22 that you think will make the main. 

Here, I’ll take a stab at it in no particular order…and simply pulling them from the list above as teams: 

Anderson

Cianciarulo 

Lawrence 

Lawrence 

Tomac 

Webb

Cooper 

Sexton

Plessinger 

Craig

Stewart

Roczen 

McElrath 

Chisholm

J Hill

D Ferrandis

D Wilson 

J Barcia 

J Prado

B Bloss

C Nichols 

V Friese 

I think I'd put Masterpool down for the main but not sure who I'd kick off your list.

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Spoonguy
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12/28/2023 4:06am
TeamGreen wrote:
HRC Honda  H Lawrence  J Lawrence  Monster Kawasaki  J Anderson A Cianciarulo  TLD Red Bull Gas Gas J Barcia  J Prado  Rockstar Husqvarna  C Craig M...

HRC Honda 

H Lawrence 

J Lawrence 

Monster Kawasaki 

J Anderson

A Cianciarulo 

TLD Red Bull Gas Gas

J Barcia 

J Prado 

Rockstar Husqvarna 

C Craig

M Stewart

Red Bull KTM 

C Sexton

A Plessinger 

Monster Energy Star Racing Yamaha

E Tomac

C Webb

J Cooper 

HEP Progressive/Twisted Tea Suzuki

K Roczen

K Chisholm 

S McElrath

Bar X Suzuki

D Drake 

Phoenix FC Honda 

D Ferrandis

Fire Power Honda 

D Wilson 

Liqui-Moly Beta 

B Bloss

C Nichols

MCR Honda 

V Friese 

Team Tedder 

J Hill

Partzilla Kawasaki 

C Clason 

HBI Racing 

T Masterpool 

Rock River Yamaha 

G Harlan 

D Simonson 

Madd Parts Kawasaki 

F Noren 

J Cartwright 

Privateers 

K Moranz

J Starling 

R Pape

L Karnow

New Teams/Programs 

J Robin

J Rodbell

T Lane 

H Schlosser 

C Copp

S Meshey 

Well, that’s most of’em…So, pick the 22 that you think will make the main. 

Here, I’ll take a stab at it in no particular order…and simply pulling them from the list above as teams: 

Anderson

Cianciarulo 

Lawrence 

Lawrence 

Tomac 

Webb

Cooper 

Sexton

Plessinger 

Craig

Stewart

Roczen 

McElrath 

Chisholm

J Hill

D Ferrandis

D Wilson 

J Barcia 

J Prado

B Bloss

C Nichols 

V Friese 

ToolMaker wrote:

I think I'd put Masterpool down for the main but not sure who I'd kick off your list.

Masterpool was an absolute beast outdoors, but has never seemed to make it in supercross, anyone know the problem there? Guys like Breece, Starling, and Harlan don't have any appreciable advantages over him. Doesn't he live at a training facility?

12/28/2023 6:09am
TeamGreen wrote:
HRC Honda  H Lawrence  J Lawrence  Monster Kawasaki  J Anderson A Cianciarulo  TLD Red Bull Gas Gas J Barcia  J Prado  Rockstar Husqvarna  C Craig M...

HRC Honda 

H Lawrence 

J Lawrence 

Monster Kawasaki 

J Anderson

A Cianciarulo 

TLD Red Bull Gas Gas

J Barcia 

J Prado 

Rockstar Husqvarna 

C Craig

M Stewart

Red Bull KTM 

C Sexton

A Plessinger 

Monster Energy Star Racing Yamaha

E Tomac

C Webb

J Cooper 

HEP Progressive/Twisted Tea Suzuki

K Roczen

K Chisholm 

S McElrath

Bar X Suzuki

D Drake 

Phoenix FC Honda 

D Ferrandis

Fire Power Honda 

D Wilson 

Liqui-Moly Beta 

B Bloss

C Nichols

MCR Honda 

V Friese 

Team Tedder 

J Hill

Partzilla Kawasaki 

C Clason 

HBI Racing 

T Masterpool 

Rock River Yamaha 

G Harlan 

D Simonson 

Madd Parts Kawasaki 

F Noren 

J Cartwright 

Privateers 

K Moranz

J Starling 

R Pape

L Karnow

New Teams/Programs 

J Robin

J Rodbell

T Lane 

H Schlosser 

C Copp

S Meshey 

Well, that’s most of’em…So, pick the 22 that you think will make the main. 

Here, I’ll take a stab at it in no particular order…and simply pulling them from the list above as teams: 

Anderson

Cianciarulo 

Lawrence 

Lawrence 

Tomac 

Webb

Cooper 

Sexton

Plessinger 

Craig

Stewart

Roczen 

McElrath 

Chisholm

J Hill

D Ferrandis

D Wilson 

J Barcia 

J Prado

B Bloss

C Nichols 

V Friese 

You forgot Jeremy Hand, who is quietly solid and rather consistent. He won't be at the first few rounds though

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lumpy790
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12/29/2023 1:09pm

A1 is always surrounded by anticipation and the excitement wondering who will win it and who is racing smart for the championship points.

The 450 night show pays a lot more that the 250's.

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12/29/2023 2:22pm

Imagine if we still had heat races. Only taking 4 from each would create some insanely exciting racing. 

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