Savatgy speaks on “the situation”

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11/29/2023 7:52am

I agree with him. Why would you let a team manager vote who has riders that will have to line up against Joey? This fucking sport sometimes..

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Pop Shmoke
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11/29/2023 8:01am

Its friggin ridiculous. I’m glad he spoke up, too often in this sport they force riders to keep their mouths shut and get in line. This stupid rule is only affecting 2 guys and directly taking money out of their pocket. They needs to show that yes they enforce the rules, but also can bend on something when its completely egregious. Refusing to bend on this just makes them look like jackasses. 

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11/29/2023 8:12am

You think crazy things like this are new for the AMA?

Another one for the the list of AMA fiascos.

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11/29/2023 8:22am Edited Date/Time 11/29/2023 1:39pm
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Its friggin ridiculous. I’m glad he spoke up, too often in this sport they force riders to keep their mouths shut and get in line. This...

Its friggin ridiculous. I’m glad he spoke up, too often in this sport they force riders to keep their mouths shut and get in line. This stupid rule is only affecting 2 guys and directly taking money out of their pocket. They needs to show that yes they enforce the rules, but also can bend on something when its completely egregious. Refusing to bend on this just makes them look like jackasses. 

It is friggin ridiculous. The other way round.

Rules are rules, the same for everyone, you don't change them because it's convenient to someone -except to kick out polish guys riding kitchen appliances.

And yeah, sure, team managers are terrified by Savtagy's comeback on the Triumph.

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11/29/2023 8:23am

Might be time for a contract attorney 

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11/29/2023 8:29am

I think it's ridiculous it's still a regional class with any restrictions.  

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11/29/2023 8:47am

They need to unify the point out rules between the nationals and supercross. It doesn’t matter which way they go, just make it the same in both series. The fact that we have guys sitting out the sx series, then riding the 250 class outdoors is crazy. 

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11/29/2023 8:47am

I was really hoping 'the situation' was regarding the Hooters event

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They need to unify the point out rules between the nationals and supercross. It doesn’t matter which way they go, just make it the same in...

They need to unify the point out rules between the nationals and supercross. It doesn’t matter which way they go, just make it the same in both series. The fact that we have guys sitting out the sx series, then riding the 250 class outdoors is crazy. 

Other than Joey, who is doing this?

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11/29/2023 9:00am

I don't think Savatgy or Marchbanks should be racing 250's anymore and I think simple and fair rules would exclude them and make the 250 class what its supposed to be, a place for young riders to come up and show what they got, then move on to the 450's None of this sangbaggin stuff, or racing 10 years in 450's then going back etc. 

All that said, specifically excluding them when the rules not longer apply to them doesn't make any sense either, then letting a handful of team managers vote, vs say the entire AMA membership just shows how corrupt the whole system really is. 

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11/29/2023 9:05am

He can ride SX on 450. 

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11/29/2023 9:10am Edited Date/Time 11/29/2023 9:10am

Couldn't he ride the triumph 250 in the 450 class? Now that would gain some publicity.

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I agree with him. With the current rules, he wouldn't have pointed out. He was forced to move up because of the old rules that have now been changed, making him eligible under current rules.

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11/29/2023 9:21am
They need to unify the point out rules between the nationals and supercross. It doesn’t matter which way they go, just make it the same in...

They need to unify the point out rules between the nationals and supercross. It doesn’t matter which way they go, just make it the same in both series. The fact that we have guys sitting out the sx series, then riding the 250 class outdoors is crazy. 

MX Guy wrote:

Other than Joey, who is doing this?

Justin Cooper did it this year.

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11/29/2023 9:22am

I can't imagine why the other manufactures would vote to make it harder for a new manufacture to compete in the class. 

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11/29/2023 9:27am

Let Sethvatgy ride! 

Who cares if it's on a 250? These are professionals. If you can't handle the competition, you don't belong in the pro divisions on either size bike. 

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11/29/2023 9:33am

This isn’t Nam, there are rules here people. 

The answer to this is to get rid of the regions and make the 250sx class wide open like the nationals. 

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Dirtstache wrote:

I can't imagine why the other manufactures would vote to make it harder for a new manufacture to compete in the class. 

Triumph knew Joey couldn’t ride SX when they signed him. 

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This isn’t Nam, there are rules here people.  The answer to this is to get rid of the regions and make the 250sx class wide open...

This isn’t Nam, there are rules here people. 

The answer to this is to get rid of the regions and make the 250sx class wide open like the nationals. 

Except the rule doesnt exist anymore.

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11/29/2023 9:37am

They should make the 250 class wide open but cap the salaries at 50k plus purse. You want to make real money? Move to the premier class

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11/29/2023 9:37am Edited Date/Time 11/29/2023 9:38am

It's like a reverse grandfathered in rule . A grandfathered out rule .

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11/29/2023 9:37am
Pop Shmoke wrote:

Except the rule doesnt exist anymore.

It does, they've just changed the way it works since Joey got bumped.

Kinda sucks for Joey but I don't have much sympathy for McElrath as he lied and took dives to stay eligible.

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11/29/2023 9:49am

Not sure why people who have riders in the game should not have "voted," whatever than means.  JS doesn't have any less skin in the game wanting his way than those teams do.  

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11/29/2023 9:51am

At least they voted. Remember when Steve Whitlock was in charge and just made shit up as he went?

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11/29/2023 11:23am
Dirtstache wrote:
I don't think Savatgy or Marchbanks should be racing 250's anymore and I think simple and fair rules would exclude them and make the 250 class...

I don't think Savatgy or Marchbanks should be racing 250's anymore and I think simple and fair rules would exclude them and make the 250 class what its supposed to be, a place for young riders to come up and show what they got, then move on to the 450's None of this sangbaggin stuff, or racing 10 years in 450's then going back etc. 

All that said, specifically excluding them when the rules not longer apply to them doesn't make any sense either, then letting a handful of team managers vote, vs say the entire AMA membership just shows how corrupt the whole system really is. 

except for the fact that the futures program feld does, is now a place for young riders to come up and show what they got.

the 250 class is a pro class. get rid of the age, point, whatever other restrictions there are.

limit the purse money and that could be incentive to move up.

just my opinion.

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11/29/2023 11:29am
Dirtstache wrote:
I don't think Savatgy or Marchbanks should be racing 250's anymore and I think simple and fair rules would exclude them and make the 250 class...

I don't think Savatgy or Marchbanks should be racing 250's anymore and I think simple and fair rules would exclude them and make the 250 class what its supposed to be, a place for young riders to come up and show what they got, then move on to the 450's None of this sangbaggin stuff, or racing 10 years in 450's then going back etc. 

All that said, specifically excluding them when the rules not longer apply to them doesn't make any sense either, then letting a handful of team managers vote, vs say the entire AMA membership just shows how corrupt the whole system really is. 

cbarber wrote:
except for the fact that the futures program feld does, is now a place for young riders to come up and show what they got. the...

except for the fact that the futures program feld does, is now a place for young riders to come up and show what they got.

the 250 class is a pro class. get rid of the age, point, whatever other restrictions there are.

limit the purse money and that could be incentive to move up.

just my opinion.

That's fair too, and I would be fine if that's how it was ran, but they seem to want to have it both ways. Basically the just fit the rules to create whatever situation they want based on the current crop of riders. The big teams don't want to give up their younger talent but don't yet have a place for them on 450's so instead of making them bump up and move to a satellite team they screw with the rules. Then when a satellite team tries to take advantage of it and move a b-tier rider back to the 250's they change the rules again. 

I don't think the futures is really replacing what the 250's are supposed to be so much as encroaching on what amature MX is supposed to be. 

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11/29/2023 11:34am

"Then when a satellite team tries to take advantage of it and move a b-tier rider back to the 250's they change the rules again. "

 

Got some examples of this happening?

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11/29/2023 11:41am

This sport turns into more of a circus every year....  Sad

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LungButter wrote:
"Then when a satellite team tries to take advantage of it and move a b-tier rider back to the 250's they change the rules again. "...

"Then when a satellite team tries to take advantage of it and move a b-tier rider back to the 250's they change the rules again. "

 

Got some examples of this happening?

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Bow977 wrote:
I agree with him. With the current rules, he wouldn't have pointed out. He was forced to move up because of the old rules that have...

I agree with him. With the current rules, he wouldn't have pointed out. He was forced to move up because of the old rules that have now been changed, making him eligible under current rules.

Why would rules be retroactive?

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