Another look at Stewarts crash

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I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders you might think differently. I dont think braking up the face of a 65 ft triple is smart for stewart or anybody in the air near him. That would of been much worse. If I thought I was safe to jump right I would of to. Partridge was a bike length behind. Stewart looked over in the air and knew it was gonna get ugly. He would have hit Windham had he not jumped right.
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1/20/2010 11:23am
mxpaul1976 wrote:
Here is a close look at Stewart's wreck. If you look at the video around the 2:49 mark it looks like the only reason Stewart jumped...
Here is a close look at Stewart's wreck. If you look at the video around the 2:49 mark it looks like the only reason Stewart jumped to the right in front of Partridge was to avoid jumping into Windham who was right in front of him going up to the triple. We all know that James hits the jumps faster than most riders, and it pretty much looks like he knows that if he stays in his line he might jump into Windham, who was right in front of him. Not that it was the smartest thing to do, but I think he made a quick decision and just did not have Partridge in sight since Partridge was a half a bike behind him. This together with the fact that Partridge seems to over jump the triple a little bit made them come together. I think it was a move that was not done with disregard to any other riders but a move that was made to avoid the rider in front of him. Again just another perspective, but I think the Stewart bashing was a little extreme. All top riders have made bad decisions at one time or another in their career, including Stewart, but I don't think this was "the bonehead" move as many seem to think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzbpl7NA7Ok
Sorry Lenny, Racing 101 says never cross jump in traffic. If he got bumped over into a cross jump, that would be a racing incident, but to just whip your bike over 8 feet on a triple in traffic is just a dumb move.
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TJ 755 wrote:
actually this video works against the case. Windham lands way to the riders left. Scrubba dint need to cross rt at all.
actually this video works against the case. Windham lands way to the riders left. Scrubba dint need to cross rt at all.
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Look at where they take off, that is where the decision is made ...not to say it was the greatest decision, but I don't think it...
Look at where they take off, that is where the decision is made ...not to say it was the greatest decision, but I don't think it was as dumb a move as some people seem to think. It would be interesting to know how many people judging this move have even jumped a triple in traffic...
I think a decent % of people(i'm sure more then you suspect) on vital have jumped a triple in traffic but they're not the ones that...
I think a decent % of people(i'm sure more then you suspect) on vital have jumped a triple in traffic but they're not the ones that usually spew all the hate.
Maybe 15 years ago, but things have changed. No offense, but read the posts. Most people on here have no clue what its like to be in a professional motocross / supercross setting. You cant compare Billy jumping the "100" ft triple at his local raceway in intermediate class. To jumping a triple in traffic against the best in the world. It wasnt the best decision the guy could of made, and I really dont care for Stewart. But do you think he was like lets see here what to do. I am gonna scrub right in traffic and have this dude land on me? Come on it was a mistake.

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jhansen510 wrote:
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders...
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders you might think differently. I dont think braking up the face of a 65 ft triple is smart for stewart or anybody in the air near him. That would of been much worse. If I thought I was safe to jump right I would of to. Partridge was a bike length behind. Stewart looked over in the air and knew it was gonna get ugly. He would have hit Windham had he not jumped right.
He lands 8 feet to the right of Windham's landing spot. James would have been fine if he held his line instead of cross jumping.
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jhansen510 wrote:
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders...
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders you might think differently. I dont think braking up the face of a 65 ft triple is smart for stewart or anybody in the air near him. That would of been much worse. If I thought I was safe to jump right I would of to. Partridge was a bike length behind. Stewart looked over in the air and knew it was gonna get ugly. He would have hit Windham had he not jumped right.
I've seen pros do some amazing things.

Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step up with no obstacles in front of it. Well, any fool could easily over jump it...watched a guy on a KTM come at it in 4th gear, jam the brakes on, release, then launch over it perfectly and nailed the turn.

Yep, he could have handled it way different. Hell, he could have moved over a couple of feet on the run up to the triple so there was no issue with landing on the guy in front of him.

It wasn't intentional. He didn't think ahead, was going up the face and realized he was going too fast and/or there was a gap to his right that he thought he could slide in to. He threw it sideways...too far by a couple of feet and got into KP.
1/20/2010 11:31am
Sorry guys, image tag isn't working for me when I tried to contribute this.

1/20/2010 11:39am
mxpaul1976 wrote:
Here is a close look at Stewart's wreck. If you look at the video around the 2:49 mark it looks like the only reason Stewart jumped...
Here is a close look at Stewart's wreck. If you look at the video around the 2:49 mark it looks like the only reason Stewart jumped to the right in front of Partridge was to avoid jumping into Windham who was right in front of him going up to the triple. We all know that James hits the jumps faster than most riders, and it pretty much looks like he knows that if he stays in his line he might jump into Windham, who was right in front of him. Not that it was the smartest thing to do, but I think he made a quick decision and just did not have Partridge in sight since Partridge was a half a bike behind him. This together with the fact that Partridge seems to over jump the triple a little bit made them come together. I think it was a move that was not done with disregard to any other riders but a move that was made to avoid the rider in front of him. Again just another perspective, but I think the Stewart bashing was a little extreme. All top riders have made bad decisions at one time or another in their career, including Stewart, but I don't think this was "the bonehead" move as many seem to think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzbpl7NA7Ok
There's the answer. Bubba gave it 100% and paid the price. In another racing incident, Reed gave it 100% to undercut Stewart and hopefully make a pass. If Stewart fell or was sent off in another direction everyone would have called it an aggressive pass. Instead, Reed broke his hand in a "racing incident."
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jhansen510 wrote:
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders...
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders you might think differently. I dont think braking up the face of a 65 ft triple is smart for stewart or anybody in the air near him. That would of been much worse. If I thought I was safe to jump right I would of to. Partridge was a bike length behind. Stewart looked over in the air and knew it was gonna get ugly. He would have hit Windham had he not jumped right.
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I've seen pros do some amazing things. Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step...
I've seen pros do some amazing things.

Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step up with no obstacles in front of it. Well, any fool could easily over jump it...watched a guy on a KTM come at it in 4th gear, jam the brakes on, release, then launch over it perfectly and nailed the turn.

Yep, he could have handled it way different. Hell, he could have moved over a couple of feet on the run up to the triple so there was no issue with landing on the guy in front of him.

It wasn't intentional. He didn't think ahead, was going up the face and realized he was going too fast and/or there was a gap to his right that he thought he could slide in to. He threw it sideways...too far by a couple of feet and got into KP.
I completely agree that he could have handled it differently. As I stated I am not a fan of stewart; or his disregard for others on the track. In this incident its hard to tell with the angles. But look at the video again. That was not a "SCRUB" . I can scrub harder than what he did there. Did he shift right? Yes, he did. But he looked right and didnt realize Partridge was there until it was to late. Riders do these things all the time. To say some of the things people have been saying about him is ridiculous. The way he handled it was not how I would have. But then again I dont agree with how alot of pro athletes live life.
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jhansen510 wrote:
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders...
I question how many people here have ever ridden a dirtbike. If you knew what it was like to hit a jump surrounded by other riders you might think differently. I dont think braking up the face of a 65 ft triple is smart for stewart or anybody in the air near him. That would of been much worse. If I thought I was safe to jump right I would of to. Partridge was a bike length behind. Stewart looked over in the air and knew it was gonna get ugly. He would have hit Windham had he not jumped right.
txmxer wrote:
I've seen pros do some amazing things. Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step...
I've seen pros do some amazing things.

Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step up with no obstacles in front of it. Well, any fool could easily over jump it...watched a guy on a KTM come at it in 4th gear, jam the brakes on, release, then launch over it perfectly and nailed the turn.

Yep, he could have handled it way different. Hell, he could have moved over a couple of feet on the run up to the triple so there was no issue with landing on the guy in front of him.

It wasn't intentional. He didn't think ahead, was going up the face and realized he was going too fast and/or there was a gap to his right that he thought he could slide in to. He threw it sideways...too far by a couple of feet and got into KP.
jhansen510 wrote:
I completely agree that he could have handled it differently. As I stated I am not a fan of stewart; or his disregard for others on...
I completely agree that he could have handled it differently. As I stated I am not a fan of stewart; or his disregard for others on the track. In this incident its hard to tell with the angles. But look at the video again. That was not a "SCRUB" . I can scrub harder than what he did there. Did he shift right? Yes, he did. But he looked right and didnt realize Partridge was there until it was to late. Riders do these things all the time. To say some of the things people have been saying about him is ridiculous. The way he handled it was not how I would have. But then again I dont agree with how alot of pro athletes live life.
true, he didn't scrub it.

When I watched the video it really looked to me like he was shooting for the gap. He overshot it.
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Oh I can see how you came to that conclusion with that top notch video. (rolls eyes) It very well may be true but there is...
Oh I can see how you came to that conclusion with that top notch video. (rolls eyes)

It very well may be true but there is no fucking way you got that from that video.
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If you just move the curser along (AKA) slow motion (rolls eyes)....you can see it pretty well. I know the video quality is not great but...
If you just move the curser along (AKA) slow motion (rolls eyes)....you can see it pretty well. I know the video quality is not great but its clear enough to get the idea.
Found a better copy of that video. I was there and couldn't see the incident from my seat worth a shit and I missed the speed broadcast, but, nonetheless, a little patience would have done james a world of good. Rookie fuckin mistake. I love watching him ride, I love his personality and I fucking love how he has elevated the sport... He has, no doubt! But the rookie mistakes need to go away, sometime.

I know I have had problems, tons of them on and off the bike where a little patience would have just made the situation oh so much better. It was absolutely just a racing incident, but damn!
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txmxer wrote:
I've seen pros do some amazing things. Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step...
I've seen pros do some amazing things.

Once upon a time, they were working a track section at this track in San Antonio. Built a step up with no obstacles in front of it. Well, any fool could easily over jump it...watched a guy on a KTM come at it in 4th gear, jam the brakes on, release, then launch over it perfectly and nailed the turn.

Yep, he could have handled it way different. Hell, he could have moved over a couple of feet on the run up to the triple so there was no issue with landing on the guy in front of him.

It wasn't intentional. He didn't think ahead, was going up the face and realized he was going too fast and/or there was a gap to his right that he thought he could slide in to. He threw it sideways...too far by a couple of feet and got into KP.
jhansen510 wrote:
I completely agree that he could have handled it differently. As I stated I am not a fan of stewart; or his disregard for others on...
I completely agree that he could have handled it differently. As I stated I am not a fan of stewart; or his disregard for others on the track. In this incident its hard to tell with the angles. But look at the video again. That was not a "SCRUB" . I can scrub harder than what he did there. Did he shift right? Yes, he did. But he looked right and didnt realize Partridge was there until it was to late. Riders do these things all the time. To say some of the things people have been saying about him is ridiculous. The way he handled it was not how I would have. But then again I dont agree with how alot of pro athletes live life.
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true, he didn't scrub it. When I watched the video it really looked to me like he was shooting for the gap. He overshot it.
true, he didn't scrub it.

When I watched the video it really looked to me like he was shooting for the gap. He overshot it.
I think Kyle Partridge would agree with that statement. LOL
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Would it be too much to just hold your damn line over a triple with half the pack right behind you?

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Would it be too much to just hold your damn line over a triple with half the pack right behind you?

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And, uh, guys, not that you're gonna be impressed by this, since it is about the 10,000 time it's been said, but what makes this different is:

1) His (mistake, racing incident, watch-this-move, W/E) nearly got himself and someone else seriously hurt. In fact, I hear he may DNS A2 because of it. That by itself makes it noteworthy.

2) His own published description of the event does not acknowledge his causative role in what happened. That, by itself, invites criticism .

3) You guys that continue to attempt to excuse and defend his causative role in the event invite responses like this from people like me, who are not "haters". Just can't stand it when someone tries to elevate their own favorite star's bonehead move by distorting what really happened.

Bottom line #3: If Stewart holds his line and pace there, he's racing this weekend. Probably with the points lead. Now all you Stewart man-friends may be able to comment on this weekend is how bad JBS *woulda* smoked the field if he had just been out there racing. Who's to blame for that?
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I just showed the video of Stewart's crash into Partridge to my son, who hasn't seen any of the controversy about it. I briefed him on what everyone was saying before I showed him the video. He watched it, rewound it, and watched it again and then said,"Everybody has it all wrong."

"It looks to me like Stewart knew Partridge was there and did it on purpose. The way he leans over and looks him straight in the face as he goes by in the air is because he was trying to give a 'lapper' some attitude for being in his way. He just screwed up by jumping too far over into Partridge instead of just ending up really close. So because he was trying to show attitude instead of just racing, he crashed and got hurt instead of winning."
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Watched that thing a few times I don't think he was trying to avoid Kdub there was enough room between Partridge and and Kdub on the landing for him..I think he was looking for a way around traffic on the outside and setting up accordingly not realizing Partridge was there that why he looks over suddenly as soon as they take off almost like oh crap theres some one on the outside- Thats my two cents...he was prolly thinking he could pass several guys on the outside of that corner looking forward and not behind-
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I just showed the video of Stewart's crash into Partridge to my son, who hasn't seen any of the controversy about it. I briefed him on...
I just showed the video of Stewart's crash into Partridge to my son, who hasn't seen any of the controversy about it. I briefed him on what everyone was saying before I showed him the video. He watched it, rewound it, and watched it again and then said,"Everybody has it all wrong."

"It looks to me like Stewart knew Partridge was there and did it on purpose. The way he leans over and looks him straight in the face as he goes by in the air is because he was trying to give a 'lapper' some attitude for being in his way. He just screwed up by jumping too far over into Partridge instead of just ending up really close. So because he was trying to show attitude instead of just racing, he crashed and got hurt instead of winning."
Sold. You briefed him on what everyone was saying about it? So you told him about the controversy but it sounds like just the one side since he said "Everyone has it wrong." How old is your son? James was trying to give attitude to a lapper and wanted that lapper to land on him so he could get hurt and maybe throw away the race and championship. That is why he did it on purpose.
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He was setting up a line around congested traffic- Forgot that people were behind him-
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Watched that thing a few times I don't think he was trying to avoid Kdub there was enough room between Partridge and and Kdub on the...
Watched that thing a few times I don't think he was trying to avoid Kdub there was enough room between Partridge and and Kdub on the landing for him..I think he was looking for a way around traffic on the outside and setting up accordingly not realizing Partridge was there that why he looks over suddenly as soon as they take off almost like oh crap theres some one on the outside- Thats my two cents...he was prolly thinking he could pass several guys on the outside of that corner looking forward and not behind-
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A great take on what happened without all the bias you see in here.
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Watched that thing a few times I don't think he was trying to avoid Kdub there was enough room between Partridge and and Kdub on the...
Watched that thing a few times I don't think he was trying to avoid Kdub there was enough room between Partridge and and Kdub on the landing for him..I think he was looking for a way around traffic on the outside and setting up accordingly not realizing Partridge was there that why he looks over suddenly as soon as they take off almost like oh crap theres some one on the outside- Thats my two cents...he was prolly thinking he could pass several guys on the outside of that corner looking forward and not behind-
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X2

A great take on what happened without all the bias you see in here.
That's exactly what happened. Look at the results and it's pretty easy to figure out why you never cross jump in traffic.
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Think we need to get Oliver Stone with the Zapruder Film in here to finally get this thing solved.

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Shouldn't RD get docked a lap or something for jumping that double under the yellow? Whistling
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Shouldn't RD get docked a lap or something for jumping that double under the yellow? Whistling
I think that was Stroupe. In the heat race, right?
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I am not sure what did or did not happen in the Kawasaki pits, so I have to pass on that one.

[b]I am sure Jason Lawrence probably would have been dealt with differently due to his past problems on and off the track, and here's hoping we never find out and that Jason keeps everything on two wheels.

As for James' crashes, I landed on a guy in Pontiac in 1985 and Bader Manneh landed on me at the Rodil Cup. It happens in traffic!

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Take it from someone who knows people. (sorry to quote you DC)
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James thought it was the final lap
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James thought it was the final lap
hahahahah Yep he ONLY had 5 3/4 lap to at least get a 9th place finish.

Need to go for broke and put riders in danger cuz "I'm coming thru!"
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Never cross jump in traffic.
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I just showed the video of Stewart's crash into Partridge to my son, who hasn't seen any of the controversy about it. I briefed him on...
I just showed the video of Stewart's crash into Partridge to my son, who hasn't seen any of the controversy about it. I briefed him on what everyone was saying before I showed him the video. He watched it, rewound it, and watched it again and then said,"Everybody has it all wrong."

"It looks to me like Stewart knew Partridge was there and did it on purpose. The way he leans over and looks him straight in the face as he goes by in the air is because he was trying to give a 'lapper' some attitude for being in his way. He just screwed up by jumping too far over into Partridge instead of just ending up really close. So because he was trying to show attitude instead of just racing, he crashed and got hurt instead of winning."
Sold. You briefed him on what everyone was saying about it? So you told him about the controversy but it sounds like just the one side...
Sold. You briefed him on what everyone was saying about it? So you told him about the controversy but it sounds like just the one side since he said "Everyone has it wrong." How old is your son? James was trying to give attitude to a lapper and wanted that lapper to land on him so he could get hurt and maybe throw away the race and championship. That is why he did it on purpose.
He's 20, and a racer himself. I told him that people are blaming Stewart for not looking and seeing Partridge before jumping across. Others are saying it's just a racing incident.

I posted what he said because it was something I never would have considered, but Matt said, "that's the way guys like him ride. Like they own the track and you have to get out of their way."

I don't think Matt was saying Stewart purposely crashed into Partridge. He thinks Stewart meant to jump across and intimidate Partridge but went farther across than he intended, resulting in the collision.
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Shouldn't RD get docked a lap or something for jumping that double under the yellow? Whistling
That's allowed in pro racing.

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