Euro guys dreaming about USA

All I hear lately is European most talented guys dreaming about USA more than ever - Prado, De Wolf, Coenen, Zanchi, Prugnieres, Valin etc.
 

Does it mean that in few years AMA will have all the talent? 

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10/12/2023 6:45am

MGGP has to change something. 20 rider starting gates at a world championship are a joke

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10/12/2023 6:56am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2023 11:55pm
All I hear lately is European most talented guys dreaming about USA more than ever - Prado, De Wolf, Coenen, Zanchi, Prugnieres, Valin etc.   Does...

All I hear lately is European most talented guys dreaming about USA more than ever - Prado, De Wolf, Coenen, Zanchi, Prugnieres, Valin etc.
 

Does it mean that in few years AMA will have all the talent? 

Well, it is not secret that factory USA guys get paid very well compared to the Euro dudes because of being able to win at SX.

Sadly, the big bucks contracts are limited but if the guys want to come have a Crack at it then it's a win for the series.

The only way a top Euro rider can land a high paid factory gig is if he can excel at SX. 

I also have no doubt that the USA SX and Outdoors will be the future. MXGP hosting races all around the world and often in some dubious locations with 16 MXGP riders on the line is a sign of a crippled concept. Lagoons is selling events to whoever will pay his price...even if it means half a gate.

I do believe that the US will ultimately be the premier series based on rider earning and less travel. Your guys gates are always filled with guys having being sent home due to not qualifying. That to me is a thriving situation. The same cannot be said about the MXGP series.

Furthermore, the USA needs to incorporate a feeder series that runs with the outdoors like the MXGP has with the EMX etc etc...

 

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10/12/2023 6:59am

Definitely hear a lot more about it recently. Benistant was interested as well, so was Längenfelder (he even did Straight Rhythm once on a 125). Basically 80% of top MX2 guys are considering to move to the US - we'll see which ones end up doing it. 

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10/12/2023 7:28am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2023 7:29am

Yep. I know for a fact Bénistant wants to go and Rossi also. Vialle kind of re-open the path, i guess. BTW; all you americans who don't know yet who this Rossi kid is, don't forget his name. He's the next big thing in GP along with the Coenen's bros. 

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crusty_xx wrote:
Definitely hear a lot more about it recently. Benistant was interested as well, so was Längenfelder (he even did Straight Rhythm once on a 125). Basically...

Definitely hear a lot more about it recently. Benistant was interested as well, so was Längenfelder (he even did Straight Rhythm once on a 125). Basically 80% of top MX2 guys are considering to move to the US - we'll see which ones end up doing it. 

The ones with the better agent? Laughing

10/12/2023 7:30am Edited Date/Time 10/13/2023 7:21am

MXGP will be done in 5 yrs if they dont make the changes necessary. The venues are most a joke, riders not getting paid enough , talent leaving to the US. especially the current mx2 talent most thinking of going to the US, what happens when herlings, seewer , fevbre etc retire where will the next crop of talent come from?  Most of the venues attendance was down this year apart from the mxon.  15 to 20 riders starting gate is a joke for a so called "world championship". Maybe on tv its no big deal but to be at the track watching 15 -20 riders riding around a track is not interesting to watch , makes a big difference imo.

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Plus, the ageing out at 23 rule means if you don’t get an Mxgp ride, you’re out of luck once you’ve aged out of the class.  The appeal to race in the USA surely is helped by the fact you can have a 250 career without ever moving to the 450 class if you want to.  Just a weird rule I think. 

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I don't know, MXGP seems to be working out pretty good for one guy for now.

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MGGP has to change something. 20 rider starting gates at a world championship are a joke

This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style no matter how relevant you are.

Looking at racing with 15-20, you notice it before gate dropp, and first 3 sec of the race from the gate drops. Then it is just a blessing not to have lappers getting in the way of good racing. 

Live timing can't display 40, so 20 make it easier there also and it will raise the status of getting into the main.

Drop down to 20, and make a b-final with 40 instead taking more from the qualification.

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All the time the U.S are paying for talent, they will come. 

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10/12/2023 8:11am
Spoonguy wrote:

I don't know, MXGP seems to be working out pretty good for one guy for now.

Are you missing the Expensive rounds where half the teams can't attend due to cost?

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10/12/2023 8:12am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2023 9:43am
OT wrote:

All the time the U.S are paying for talent, they will come. 

You say that as if it's a bad thing. In every career field and industry I can think of the most talented workers aspire to the highest paying jobs.

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Spoonguy wrote:

I don't know, MXGP seems to be working out pretty good for one guy for now.

Luongo right? 😂

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Rad76 wrote:
Yep. I know for a fact Bénistant wants to go and Rossi also. Vialle kind of re-open the path, i guess. BTW; all you americans who...

Yep. I know for a fact Bénistant wants to go and Rossi also. Vialle kind of re-open the path, i guess. BTW; all you americans who don't know yet who this Rossi kid is, don't forget his name. He's the next big thing in GP along with the Coenen's bros. 

If your last name is Rossi, and you are racing any form of motorcycle, is your duty to be the next big thing.

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Spoonguy wrote:

I don't know, MXGP seems to be working out pretty good for one guy for now.

Richy wrote:

Luongo right? 😂

Zactly!!

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MGGP has to change something. 20 rider starting gates at a world championship are a joke

aees wrote:
This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style...

This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style no matter how relevant you are.

Looking at racing with 15-20, you notice it before gate dropp, and first 3 sec of the race from the gate drops. Then it is just a blessing not to have lappers getting in the way of good racing. 

Live timing can't display 40, so 20 make it easier there also and it will raise the status of getting into the main.

Drop down to 20, and make a b-final with 40 instead taking more from the qualification.

Well the thing is… they can easily put 10 competitive EMX250 guys + a couple guys that only race nationally and easily fill a 40 man gate in MX2 full of competitive guys. There’s also a ton of guys that aged out of MX2 that could very well fill the MXGP gate if the teams/funding was there.

It’s not like the talent is not out there. That’s kinda the problem. Tons of capable guys that aren’t on the gate because of lack of funding. Thus resulting in 20 man gates. 

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This younger generation wants to race supercross.  

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All I hear lately is European most talented guys dreaming about USA more than ever - Prado, De Wolf, Coenen, Zanchi, Prugnieres, Valin etc.   Does...

All I hear lately is European most talented guys dreaming about USA more than ever - Prado, De Wolf, Coenen, Zanchi, Prugnieres, Valin etc.
 

Does it mean that in few years AMA will have all the talent? 

Dumbgeon 

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They all just saw Jett make 1.25M USD in 3 weekends. 
 

 

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I know OP is trolling, but I would love to see De Wolf race in the states. 

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cameron96 wrote:

They all just saw Jett make 1.25M USD in 3 weekends. 
 

 

Even Herlings said something similar. Said he made $4.5M in his best year. Tomacs 2022 was believed to be around 7-8M. That’s just to much money to pass up if you are capable of riding sx. 

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FerCzD wrote:

If your last name is Rossi, and you are racing any form of motorcycle, is your duty to be the next big thing.

Well, Rossi is the italian equivalent of Smith in US, there are a lot of them ! Even in France, it's pretty common, but i got your point Wink

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I know OP is trolling, but I would love to see De Wolf race in the states. 

He wants to be in US around 2025. 

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Is this really news?

I mean for the last 30-40 years the Top Riders in the world have wanted to race the premier series in the World, which is clearly in the United States.  MXGP is nothing more than a feeder series for the US.

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I know OP is trolling, but I would love to see De Wolf race in the states. 

Rad76 wrote:

He wants to be in US around 2025. 

I hope so! He and Seewer are my two favorite euros. 

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10/12/2023 10:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2023 10:47pm

Only reason to go race in the us is for sx. If you want to race mx the competition level of mxgp is way higher 

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aees wrote:
This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style...

This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style no matter how relevant you are.

Looking at racing with 15-20, you notice it before gate dropp, and first 3 sec of the race from the gate drops. Then it is just a blessing not to have lappers getting in the way of good racing. 

Live timing can't display 40, so 20 make it easier there also and it will raise the status of getting into the main.

Drop down to 20, and make a b-final with 40 instead taking more from the qualification.

just imagine how big of a shit show it would be if they actually abided by the 107% rule?

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MGGP has to change something. 20 rider starting gates at a world championship are a joke

aees wrote:
This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style...

This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style no matter how relevant you are.

Looking at racing with 15-20, you notice it before gate dropp, and first 3 sec of the race from the gate drops. Then it is just a blessing not to have lappers getting in the way of good racing. 

Live timing can't display 40, so 20 make it easier there also and it will raise the status of getting into the main.

Drop down to 20, and make a b-final with 40 instead taking more from the qualification.

NVA57 wrote:
Well the thing is… they can easily put 10 competitive EMX250 guys + a couple guys that only race nationally and easily fill a 40 man...

Well the thing is… they can easily put 10 competitive EMX250 guys + a couple guys that only race nationally and easily fill a 40 man gate in MX2 full of competitive guys. There’s also a ton of guys that aged out of MX2 that could very well fill the MXGP gate if the teams/funding was there.

It’s not like the talent is not out there. That’s kinda the problem. Tons of capable guys that aren’t on the gate because of lack of funding. Thus resulting in 20 man gates. 

I'm sorry but no, there is in the end no more than 15 riders not being lapped.

If you are getting lapped constantly, you are not competitive 

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It’s nothing new, for as long as I can remember there have been top European talents that want to go and race in the US. The scope to earn a decent living over there is sadly a lot bigger than it is in Europe. Not everyone who says they want to go will end up going, because there’s also American talent that want those same rides, but Infront and MXGP should consider it a warning and do something about it before it’s too late 

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10/13/2023 12:28am Edited Date/Time 10/13/2023 12:29am
aees wrote:
This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style...

This having 40 on the gate is ridiculous. 25 of them are just in the way getting lapped. It's like everyone should have a trophy style no matter how relevant you are.

Looking at racing with 15-20, you notice it before gate dropp, and first 3 sec of the race from the gate drops. Then it is just a blessing not to have lappers getting in the way of good racing. 

Live timing can't display 40, so 20 make it easier there also and it will raise the status of getting into the main.

Drop down to 20, and make a b-final with 40 instead taking more from the qualification.

NVA57 wrote:
Well the thing is… they can easily put 10 competitive EMX250 guys + a couple guys that only race nationally and easily fill a 40 man...

Well the thing is… they can easily put 10 competitive EMX250 guys + a couple guys that only race nationally and easily fill a 40 man gate in MX2 full of competitive guys. There’s also a ton of guys that aged out of MX2 that could very well fill the MXGP gate if the teams/funding was there.

It’s not like the talent is not out there. That’s kinda the problem. Tons of capable guys that aren’t on the gate because of lack of funding. Thus resulting in 20 man gates. 

aees wrote:
I'm sorry but no, there is in the end no more than 15 riders not being lapped. If you are getting lapped constantly, you are not...

I'm sorry but no, there is in the end no more than 15 riders not being lapped.

If you are getting lapped constantly, you are not competitive 

15-20 riders is not a motocross race and not a spectacle. How many riders get lapped depends on a number of factors, conditions, length of lap etc. in Trentino there were 40 riders and 26 of them didn’t get lapped in both moto’s. Being lapped by Jeffrey Herlings doesn’t mean that you don’t deserve to be out there. You try going to Matterley and watching a race with 20 riders in it, it’s boring as hell and if that’s the future of the sport I want absolutely no part in it. I genuinely won’t watch any GP on TV that has less than 25 riders in it 

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