Trespassing, why are you entitled again?

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My acres are surrounded by thousands of acres of pasture but behind me is where an old  railroad track used to run that my neighbors own and has a locked gate and no trespassing signs. Well someone cut the barb wire fence and a bunch of 4 wheelers and sxs were ripping around at 2am. My one neighbor said he watched them through his hunting rifle scope. It opened a cut through where walkers can cut off a long walk and go right behind my buildings. As a kid 13 and under we rode everywhere and were chased out of lots of areas. Now I'm the guy who went and fixed the fence even though it's not my property but the owners own the most cattle land in the U.S. so it takes awhile to notice and I live dirtbikes and love seeing people riding but I bought that land to not see people and if a person is walking out in the middle of nowhere I assume they are up to no good so I can't have it.  Someone stole a SxS years before I bought the property but got caught using that as an escape route. I don't want to shoot anyone for trespassing but if you are trying to get in my buildings you may die. I cant assume your intent or assume if you are armed or not. In Florida the law says you can protect life and property of yourself and your neighbor with death.  Easily avoided if you don't steal.  

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10/6/2023 9:33am
Sandusky26 wrote:
You ever tried building a deck without posting shitty thoughts on Vital MX? It's boring as shit.

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You ever tried building a deck without posting shitty thoughts on Vital MX?

It's boring as shit.

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We can get into another snake debate it you're that bored 

We can get into another snake debate it you're that bored Smile

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That good boy will chase away the copperheads and eat the rodents, leave him be but keep your dog away, dudes like that aren't afraid to bite.

As a landowner, being the nice guy with people that want permission to use it usually ends up in a "give an inch take a mile" situation where they still think you're an asshole.

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10/6/2023 1:14pm
Sully wrote:

This thread has a real bipolar vibe to it...

I laughed at that. I get bipolar after finding fresh tracks through my planted fields. I wont mention the garbage I pick up, and the stuff I dont. (Usually has a pile of TP on it) 

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10/9/2023 3:14pm
viking174 wrote:
No man’s life is worth taking for property of any kind. Penalized ? sure but death is forever. Anyone who thinks killing a man over trespassing...

No man’s life is worth taking for property of any kind. Penalized ? sure but death is forever. Anyone who thinks killing a man over trespassing needs an empathy check. Stealing, or protecting your things or family make sense but just for entering your property line to ride a dirtbike ?? No way

ns503 wrote:

That's not what this thread is about.

It's about why do some people think it's OK to trespass?

Why do you not value life? Just your life matters or your property is worth more than a life ? I’d give away property to save a man’s life. Me and you are different people. 
 

Have a fist fight, yell and scream. Damn dude maybe even slap a mother chucker or discourage any way possible but to take a man’s life ? Na I’m not about to kill a man.  People fuck up all the time. Death is forever.  I even see value in human life, I’m not about to carry that hurt in my life.    

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10/9/2023 3:30pm Edited Date/Time 10/9/2023 4:59pm
viking174 wrote:
No man’s life is worth taking for property of any kind. Penalized ? sure but death is forever. Anyone who thinks killing a man over trespassing...

No man’s life is worth taking for property of any kind. Penalized ? sure but death is forever. Anyone who thinks killing a man over trespassing needs an empathy check. Stealing, or protecting your things or family make sense but just for entering your property line to ride a dirtbike ?? No way

ns503 wrote:

That's not what this thread is about.

It's about why do some people think it's OK to trespass?

viking174 wrote:
Why do you not value life? Just your life matters or your property is worth more than a life ? I’d give away property to save...

Why do you not value life? Just your life matters or your property is worth more than a life ? I’d give away property to save a man’s life. Me and you are different people. 
 

Have a fist fight, yell and scream. Damn dude maybe even slap a mother chucker or discourage any way possible but to take a man’s life ? Na I’m not about to kill a man.  People fuck up all the time. Death is forever.  I even see value in human life, I’m not about to carry that hurt in my life.    

Here’s where I agree and disagree with you. In a normal circumstance, I agree fight, Slap, bite do whatever to not take anyone’s life. What’s different about trespassing is it is on YOUR LAND, WHERE YOU LIVE. You punch a dude on your property, he knows where you sleep, where you have your family, your dogs, your property. Who’s to say he doesn’t leave with a bad taste in his mouth from getting punched? Goes home gets a gun and takes care of that pesky land owner. See what I’m saying? When it becomes personal it changes a man’s response. That’s my opinion. 

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10/9/2023 6:10pm
viking174 wrote:
No man’s life is worth taking for property of any kind. Penalized ? sure but death is forever. Anyone who thinks killing a man over trespassing...

No man’s life is worth taking for property of any kind. Penalized ? sure but death is forever. Anyone who thinks killing a man over trespassing needs an empathy check. Stealing, or protecting your things or family make sense but just for entering your property line to ride a dirtbike ?? No way

ns503 wrote:

That's not what this thread is about.

It's about why do some people think it's OK to trespass?

viking174 wrote:
Why do you not value life? Just your life matters or your property is worth more than a life ? I’d give away property to save...

Why do you not value life? Just your life matters or your property is worth more than a life ? I’d give away property to save a man’s life. Me and you are different people. 
 

Have a fist fight, yell and scream. Damn dude maybe even slap a mother chucker or discourage any way possible but to take a man’s life ? Na I’m not about to kill a man.  People fuck up all the time. Death is forever.  I even see value in human life, I’m not about to carry that hurt in my life.    

What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about taking a life. This thread is about people thinking they're entitled to trespass, not taking lives.

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10/9/2023 6:35pm

I don’t know any place that's it’s legal to shoot trespassers.

I believe you can protect your property from theft. That’s different then trespassing on your property.

If someone is trespassing the first thing to do it simply ask them to leave. If they refuse, then you call the police.

This is not the same as someone breaking into your house, where in many places you have every right to use deadly force.

Bit if someone is standing in your driveway and you ask them to leave and they don’t, you can’t shoot them.

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10/9/2023 6:46pm

Interesting issue…my family owns about 6 or 7,000 acres…on one side is public land…

There are two kinds of trespassers…entitled idiots…and…respectful idiots.  
 

Both are wrong…both are idiots.

one is up to no good, will break into the cabin, hunt (people pay good money to hunt on the property), cut the fence (which we spend thousands of dollars and many hours maintaining the fence every spring-to keep the cattle on the property- after the snow drifts, run off, fallen pines and aspens land on it, and elk run through it, we don’t need humans helping damage the fence), vandalize stuff, etc

the other is pretty innocent, wants to have a look around (“I’ve just always wanted to have a look up this canyon, and didn’t think anyone was up here”).

One gets the cops called on them and charges pressed…the other gets an escort off the property, and told to never come back.  

Trespassers are idiots…

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10/11/2023 10:23am
Gmyersdork wrote:
Topic close to my heart. Why are you going to pass a no trespassing sign that goes up on a trail you've ridden on for years...

Topic close to my heart. Why are you going to pass a no trespassing sign that goes up on a trail you've ridden on for years? Just curious,  wanted to move the question off the unfortunate topic of the deceased rider thread. 

For me...I'd verify if it was actually private property or not.  If its private property, and the owner decided to no longer allow people to use it, I'd be turning around.  It's his discretion.

Near me there was a VERY popular place that people used to ride (I honestly didn't even know it was private property, I thought it was public land...sometimes out here you'll get a Hodge-podge of public and private land)...one day I load up and head out there to ride (we had some great turn tracks cut in on it that were great for training)...as I pull off the main road, I start seeing "no trespassing" signs all along the road...I was confused, pull up "onX offroad" app, sure enough, its private property...As I keep driving, I see a guy putting up the signs (an employee of the landowner)...I stop and ask him why they are closing it...he told me some idiot on a dirt bike was chasing a loose cow and it broke its leg and had to be put down...so the land owner decided enough is enough and will no longer allow riding on it.   I moved on down the road another mile or so, to public land, and went riding...so many people still ride there though and just ignore the no trespassing signs...it drives me nuts.

10/11/2023 11:39am

Recently there was a court case, I think in Los Angeles. A dentist was renting out their guest casita through Air BnB. A lady organized a 3 day stay. At the end of the stay she wouldn't leave. The owner has been trying to get her out for over 500 days. The most recent court action, the judge ruled that with the new CA rent laws, he has no authority to require her to leave. Her attorney told the dentist's attorney that his client would be willing to move out if he gave her $100,000 relocation fee.

This world has gone nuts!

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10/11/2023 12:51pm
ToolMaker wrote:
Recently there was a court case, I think in Los Angeles. A dentist was renting out their guest casita through Air BnB. A lady organized a...

Recently there was a court case, I think in Los Angeles. A dentist was renting out their guest casita through Air BnB. A lady organized a 3 day stay. At the end of the stay she wouldn't leave. The owner has been trying to get her out for over 500 days. The most recent court action, the judge ruled that with the new CA rent laws, he has no authority to require her to leave. Her attorney told the dentist's attorney that his client would be willing to move out if he gave her $100,000 relocation fee.

This world has gone nuts!

And if she gets gets hurt while she’s there ( innocently) she will probably sue him. 

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10/11/2023 1:24pm

I'd advertise an "Off The Grid" BnB, and shut off the utilities.

What kind of law allows this?

So you could do the same for any home or apartment rental? Why is anyone paying rent?

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10/11/2023 2:22pm
It's called an implied, or prescriptive easement : https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/land-use-laws/express-and-implied-easements.html Basically, if the property owner has not taken any steps to prohibit trespassing while public use / access...

It's called an implied, or prescriptive easement : https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/land-use-laws/express-and-implied-ea…

Basically, if the property owner has not taken any steps to prohibit trespassing while public use / access is established on their lands, then it creates a legal precedent for access. 

A lot of western states have similar laws. Here, an existing trail that has been in public use cannot be closed by the landowner unless they petition the county. Also, trail access laws provide landowners with legal protection from liability if anyone is injured while using the trail on their land.   

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10/11/2023 2:32pm
vet323 wrote:
A lot of western states have similar laws. Here, an existing trail that has been in public use cannot be closed by the landowner unless they...

A lot of western states have similar laws. Here, an existing trail that has been in public use cannot be closed by the landowner unless they petition the county. Also, trail access laws provide landowners with legal protection from liability if anyone is injured while using the trail on their land.   

Most states have equine liability immunity laws. Getting similar laws passed for the offroad powersports world would be huge.

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10/11/2023 9:37pm

Don't ever have wire cutters on you in Texas. I think it is still a felony if you are in a different county.

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10/12/2023 5:36am

Late to the party here . My buddy owns 90 wooded acres . I'm the only guy who hunts it ,never had the neighbors wonder over during deer season ,turkey season is completely different, those bird hunters go crazy when they get a hot bird sounding off. I'll show my buddy the trail camera pictures of tje trespassers and he'll laugh and say oh ya that's so and so. His mind set is if they aren't doing any damage he would rather have a good friendly relationship with the neighbors then chase them away .for instance he a just left for a hot rod school in South Dakota for 18 months and all the neighbors he didn't chase away are now stopping over to cut the lawn and check on the house . 

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