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9/28/2023 9:14am
Richy wrote:
We may see things differently, but the way I see it personally, is: If you are going in on a business or property with somebody else...

We may see things differently, but the way I see it personally, is:

If you are going in on a business or property with somebody else and you get them to put their part of the money down and put themselves at risk, because you have said you have your part of the money all taken care of and you'll do this and that and blah blah... all the while you know full well you do not have your part of the money and you are trying, and failing, to get that money from elsewhere... that is a scam.

A scam is when someone goes into the deal knowing they aren't going to come up with their end and it normally ends up with the scammer coming out financially better. It's hard to believe AJ did all the videos and marketing knowing full well that he would never be able to fulfill his part of the deal. He also doesn't appear to have made any financial gain from the deal going sour.

That said, I have to agree with the sentiment that AJ can come across as arrogant and 'douchy' for lack of a better term. If you're going to be like that, then the minute you screw up (which we all do at some point), people are going to pounce, and they're certainly not going to have any empathy for you.

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9/28/2023 9:32am
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Who got scammed? A business deal went bad. 

wrc777 wrote:
I don't think AJ made any money off the deal that was not completed. I don't think he would have made the videos if he didn't...

I don't think AJ made any money off the deal that was not completed. I don't think he would have made the videos if he didn't intend on completing the transaction.

Here is my summary of what has happened:

- Could not/would not complete deal for purchase of a facility. 

- Long time employees leaving. We don't know why they left (quit or fired)

- No longer paying Jett/Hunter for endorsement

- No longer has an agent. (why did he ever have one? I don't think this is common for business owners)

These are all things that happen when a business is trying (and failing) to keep its head above water financially.

I know the partner got shafted on the facility deal. It might have been worse if AJ had managed to come up with his part of the down payment and then couldn't make the payments a few months down the road.

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Rumor I heard was HRC sent a cease and desist letter in relation to Jet/Hunter. Again, rumor, but given the source I believe it to be...

Rumor I heard was HRC sent a cease and desist letter in relation to Jet/Hunter.

Again, rumor, but given the source I believe it to be accurate.

That’s true

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9/28/2023 9:33am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2023 9:37am
MxAddic wrote:

Who got scammed? A business deal went bad. 

Richy wrote:
We may see things differently, but the way I see it personally, is: If you are going in on a business or property with somebody else...

We may see things differently, but the way I see it personally, is:

If you are going in on a business or property with somebody else and you get them to put their part of the money down and put themselves at risk, because you have said you have your part of the money all taken care of and you'll do this and that and blah blah... all the while you know full well you do not have your part of the money and you are trying, and failing, to get that money from elsewhere... that is a scam.

Unfortunately the law does not align with you beliefs.

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9/28/2023 9:40am
MxAddic wrote:

Who got scammed? A business deal went bad. 

Richy wrote:
We may see things differently, but the way I see it personally, is: If you are going in on a business or property with somebody else...

We may see things differently, but the way I see it personally, is:

If you are going in on a business or property with somebody else and you get them to put their part of the money down and put themselves at risk, because you have said you have your part of the money all taken care of and you'll do this and that and blah blah... all the while you know full well you do not have your part of the money and you are trying, and failing, to get that money from elsewhere... that is a scam.

Fraud is a more accurate description of those actions

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9/28/2023 9:48am
GrapeApe wrote:

Fraud is a more accurate description of those actions

Failure to obtain financing is fraud? Glad your not my lawyer.

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9/28/2023 9:52am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2023 9:53am
GrapeApe wrote:

Fraud is a more accurate description of those actions

MxAddic wrote:

Failure to obtain financing is fraud? Glad your not my lawyer.

In a transaction involving finances making misrepresentations about your finances is absolutely fraud lol

 

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9/28/2023 9:53am
I think AJ actually has one of the keener eyes for technique. I will send him a video of me in one corner, and he will...

I think AJ actually has one of the keener eyes for technique. I will send him a video of me in one corner, and he will have the perfect feedback that I can implement next time I ride, and I see pretty large improvements in comfort and lap times. For real, I shaved 10 seconds off a 3 minute sand track I ride over the last year, by working with AJ and sending him videos. He's honestly unreal in how well he hones in on what to change for each rider.

Having said that, he seemed to get a bit over his skis growing his brand/company. That's fine, it's what I call a hustle-mistake. He's trying hard, and mistakes happen when you try hard. 

AJ has a keen eye for technique in relation to low to mid-level amateur riders. I mean no disrespect, but if a couple pointers made you shave off 10 seconds on a 3 minute track, there were some major flaws in your technique that ANY pro could have pointed out. Which is fine, and good on AJ for helping you.

He's found a niche in "training" kids and beginners, and that's a good niche for him, or so it seemed. Watching the progression of his videos, at least to me, you can see the arrogance and self-righteousness grow. His reaction to ML is a perfect example. 

If the owner of content reaches out to you for credit or for the content to be taken down, and you just say "contact my people" that seems pretty arrogant to me. YOU are your people, it's not like he's running a $500M company. 

Too many people see these same attributes, too many people who seem to be insiders are saying the same thing. Scam vs fraud doesn't really matter, he's on a slippery slope and he seems to be doing nothing to improve the situation. 

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9/28/2023 9:56am
MxAddic wrote:

Failure to obtain financing is fraud? Glad your not my lawyer.

failure to perform in any contract can transform from simply tortious into legally fraudulent if the claimant can prove that a reasonable person would conclude that there was a misrepresentation of a material fact by the offending party and that the other party relied on this misrepresentation of material fact. Allegations of fraud must be made with specificity, but this all comes out in discovery

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9/28/2023 10:01am
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In a transaction involving finances making misrepresentations about your finances is absolutely fraud lol

 

What did he misrepresent?

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failure to perform in any contract can transform from simply tortious into legally fraudulent if the claimant can prove that a reasonable person would conclude that...

failure to perform in any contract can transform from simply tortious into legally fraudulent if the claimant can prove that a reasonable person would conclude that there was a misrepresentation of a material fact by the offending party and that the other party relied on this misrepresentation of material fact. Allegations of fraud must be made with specificity, but this all comes out in discovery

Sounds like an expensive fishing trip but what do I know.

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9/28/2023 10:09am

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

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9/28/2023 10:17am
1911 wrote:

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

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9/28/2023 10:23am
1911 wrote:

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

He must then remove himself from this case! This is a case for the Vital, kangaroo court! Laughing

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9/28/2023 10:24am
1911 wrote:

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there these days unless you're highly specialized. a lot of women became lawyers in the last few decades and drove the real wages down hard and fast

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9/28/2023 10:55am
GrapeApe wrote:

In a transaction involving finances making misrepresentations about your finances is absolutely fraud lol

 

MxAddic wrote:

What did he misrepresent?

You can go back and re-read the partner's posts throughout this thread

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9/28/2023 10:59am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2023 11:01am
1911 wrote:

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

PhunnyGuy wrote:
being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there...

being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there these days unless you're highly specialized. a lot of women became lawyers in the last few decades and drove the real wages down hard and fast

Where do you come up with this stuff? Laughing

 

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9/28/2023 11:04am
1911 wrote:

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

PhunnyGuy wrote:
being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there...

being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there these days unless you're highly specialized. a lot of women became lawyers in the last few decades and drove the real wages down hard and fast

Wow!.....remind me to come to you when I need advice....

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9/28/2023 11:21am

Just to play devil's advocate, where was the due diligence from the partner and his lawyer? Before putting any funds down or committing to being in a partnership, surely you would verify that the other party indeed has the funds or has the means to obtain them?

 

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9/28/2023 11:46am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2023 11:52am
1911 wrote:
He must then remove himself from this case! This is a case for the Vital, kangaroo court! 

He must then remove himself from this case! This is a case for the Vital, kangaroo court! Laughing

Guilty on all counts, says purple supreme commander.

I wonder if he would like to make a small wager. Unfortunately for AJ partner, I like the odds here.

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9/28/2023 12:06pm
1911 wrote:
He must then remove himself from this case! This is a case for the Vital, kangaroo court! 

He must then remove himself from this case! This is a case for the Vital, kangaroo court! Laughing

MxAddic wrote:
Guilty on all counts, says purple supreme commander. I wonder if he would like to make a small wager. Unfortunately for AJ partner, I like the...

Guilty on all counts, says purple supreme commander.

I wonder if he would like to make a small wager. Unfortunately for AJ partner, I like the odds here.

Assuming you are referring to me, go back and find one post where I said he is "guilty". I just said the accusations being thrown around are more akin to fraud than a scam.

Exactly what "wager" are you suggesting and who sets the odds?

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9/28/2023 12:22pm
GrapeApe wrote:

In a transaction involving finances making misrepresentations about your finances is absolutely fraud lol

 

MxAddic wrote:

What did he misrepresent?

GrapeApe wrote:

You can go back and re-read the partner's posts throughout this thread

I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am well aware of. I assume by your post you were suggesting something. When you’re ready to take a side instead of peddle back a forth in the kiddie pool LMK.

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9/28/2023 12:33pm
MxAddic wrote:
I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am...

I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am well aware of. I assume by your post you were suggesting something. When you’re ready to take a side instead of peddle back a forth in the kiddie pool LMK.

We already explained this: the "what" is a misrepresentation of material fact. Only the parties know exactly, but of course it relates to what exactly AJ said to induce the other party into paying consideration. When you misrepresent facts (i.e. "i will have $300k october first) and you induce another party into taking substantial action or paying consideration, and then your misrepresented facts injure the other party, this sir is the common law definition of Fraud.

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9/28/2023 12:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2023 12:36pm
MxAddic wrote:

What did he misrepresent?

GrapeApe wrote:

You can go back and re-read the partner's posts throughout this thread

MxAddic wrote:
I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am...

I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am well aware of. I assume by your post you were suggesting something. When you’re ready to take a side instead of peddle back a forth in the kiddie pool LMK.

Me taking a side would be just as ignorant as you taking a side, because neither of us know what happened between these two. Not sure why you're so riled up?

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9/28/2023 12:37pm
GrapeApe wrote:

You can go back and re-read the partner's posts throughout this thread

MxAddic wrote:
I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am...

I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am well aware of. I assume by your post you were suggesting something. When you’re ready to take a side instead of peddle back a forth in the kiddie pool LMK.

GrapeApe wrote:
Me taking a side would be just as ignorant as you taking a side, because neither of us know what happened between these two. Not sure...

Me taking a side would be just as ignorant as you taking a side, because neither of us know what happened between these two. Not sure why you're so riled up?

He just likes to argue

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9/28/2023 1:12pm
MxAddic wrote:
I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am...

I ask what, not what he is being accused of. Then you go on to lecture me like I am stupid about the law I am well aware of. I assume by your post you were suggesting something. When you’re ready to take a side instead of peddle back a forth in the kiddie pool LMK.

PhunnyGuy wrote:
We already explained this: the "what" is a misrepresentation of material fact. Only the parties know exactly, but of course it relates to what exactly AJ...

We already explained this: the "what" is a misrepresentation of material fact. Only the parties know exactly, but of course it relates to what exactly AJ said to induce the other party into paying consideration. When you misrepresent facts (i.e. "i will have $300k october first) and you induce another party into taking substantial action or paying consideration, and then your misrepresented facts injure the other party, this sir is the common law definition of Fraud.

If that is the only "fact" this is a civil matter. Sounds weak to me. If you are going on your little trip PIF by his partner you may not catch anything. The Judge may not even force him to disclose anything. But I am not getting paid to indicate you will.

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9/28/2023 1:16pm

Dumbgeon time

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9/28/2023 1:30pm

When all you Vital attorneys hear the full story you will undoubtedly rule in my favor.

He has committed major fraud and that’s not even a case that involves me. He’s bragged about it to allot of people so it’s undeniable. 

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9/28/2023 1:34pm
1911 wrote:

The only thing more entertaining than the Vital doctors are the Vital Lawyers. 

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

PhunnyGuy wrote:
being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there...

being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there these days unless you're highly specialized. a lot of women became lawyers in the last few decades and drove the real wages down hard and fast

you have been on here a day and whenever I see you comment its a bad take 

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This has become an objectively hilarious thread. 

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Dumbgeon time

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