Dude, where’s my F35…?

LoudLove wrote:

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly...

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly, but not a high probability. But in today’s environment, conjecture sometimes gets extrapolated to the point where it becomes reality.  Insert Occam’s Razor here…

LoudLove wrote:

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly...

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly, but not a high probability. But in today’s environment, conjecture sometimes gets extrapolated to the point where it becomes reality.  Insert Occam’s Razor here…

plowboy wrote:

Let's assume the Chinese decided any data/comm between the aircraft/ground was just to dang hard to cypher. But, all the un-encrypted cell traffic from military/law enforcement/govt...

Let's assume the Chinese decided any data/comm between the aircraft/ground was just to dang hard to cypher.

But, all the un-encrypted cell traffic from military/law enforcement/govt agencies that got involved with sighting and tracking the balloon is a treasure trove of info.  

Back in the day at RAF Mildenhall UK...the SR would fly OP's from there.  Intel was POSITIVE there was a spy or mole on base cause the fence was full of Brits every time we launched.  All flights were "secret".  How did they always know when the SR was gonna fly?

I was a regular at the Volunteer Arms pub in the village.  I knew a couple of the regulars were avid plane spotters so I just asked them.  Turns out...normal quiet hours (no engines running) for the base were from midnight to 0700.  The SR required 2 KC135Q tankers to get to altitude.  When the locals heard a tanker launch at 0500 and another at 0600...they knew the SR was gonna launch at 0700.

No spies or traitors just some common sense and a desire to do something.

sumdood wrote:

TeamGreen wrote:

They’re starting to let a few little bits out about the a/c’s ability to stop comms/shut comms down/erase data…post ejection…hence, we may get to hear how/why...

They’re starting to let a few little bits out about the a/c’s ability to stop comms/shut comms down/erase data…post ejection…hence, we may get to hear how/why there was/is no traceability available after the ejection. 

plowboy wrote:

Comms didn't use to be that "secret" but I can tell you (without bumping against my NDA)...Data transfer between aircraft and other airborne craft is the...

Comms didn't use to be that "secret" but I can tell you (without bumping against my NDA)...Data transfer between aircraft and other airborne craft is the hot ticket at the moment.  

I could see them wanting that Intel unavailable if an enemy were to recover a downed plane.

ToolMaker wrote:

So we already know the balloon was sending info out in "real time", what would make this more interesting is if this were the same model...

So we already know the balloon was sending info out in "real time", what would make this more interesting is if this were the same model F35 that was sent to destroy the balloon.

TM

sumdood wrote:

ToolMaker wrote:

It ain't just you sénior.

LoudLove wrote:

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly...

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly, but not a high probability. But in today’s environment, conjecture sometimes gets extrapolated to the point where it becomes reality.  Insert Occam’s Razor here…

ToolMaker wrote:

You do know that China has the fastest super computer right? Couple that with their tenacity for "stealing" secrets. If you got 1 and 3 and...

You do know that China has the fastest super computer right? Couple that with their tenacity for "stealing" secrets. If you got 1 and 3 and 5, you only need to figure out 2 and 4  and you get the sequence. You do know that this is just wild speculation that has just enough possibility that it's worth talking about. Now if they only could crack the code and tell me what my dog is really saying, then I'd be impressed.

plowboy wrote:

Comms didn't use to be that "secret" but I can tell you (without bumping against my NDA)...Data transfer between aircraft and other airborne craft is the...

Comms didn't use to be that "secret" but I can tell you (without bumping against my NDA)...Data transfer between aircraft and other airborne craft is the hot ticket at the moment.  

I could see them wanting that Intel unavailable if an enemy were to recover a downed plane.

ToolMaker wrote:

So we already know the balloon was sending info out in "real time", what would make this more interesting is if this were the same model...

So we already know the balloon was sending info out in "real time", what would make this more interesting is if this were the same model F35 that was sent to destroy the balloon.

TM

Last2Stroke wrote:

An F22 shot the balloon down, not an F35.

ToolMaker wrote:

It ain't just you sénior.

LoudLove wrote:

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly...

Is imagine any data feeds off the 35 would be heavily encrypted. A high altitude ballon absorbing streams of bits is in the realm of possibly, but not a high probability. But in today’s environment, conjecture sometimes gets extrapolated to the point where it becomes reality.  Insert Occam’s Razor here…

ToolMaker wrote:

You do know that China has the fastest super computer right? Couple that with their tenacity for "stealing" secrets. If you got 1 and 3 and...

You do know that China has the fastest super computer right? Couple that with their tenacity for "stealing" secrets. If you got 1 and 3 and 5, you only need to figure out 2 and 4  and you get the sequence. You do know that this is just wild speculation that has just enough possibility that it's worth talking about. Now if they only could crack the code and tell me what my dog is really saying, then I'd be impressed.

plowboy wrote:

Comms didn't use to be that "secret" but I can tell you (without bumping against my NDA)...Data transfer between aircraft and other airborne craft is the...

Comms didn't use to be that "secret" but I can tell you (without bumping against my NDA)...Data transfer between aircraft and other airborne craft is the hot ticket at the moment.  

I could see them wanting that Intel unavailable if an enemy were to recover a downed plane.

ToolMaker wrote:

So we already know the balloon was sending info out in "real time", what would make this more interesting is if this were the same model...

So we already know the balloon was sending info out in "real time", what would make this more interesting is if this were the same model F35 that was sent to destroy the balloon.

TM

Last2Stroke wrote:

An F22 shot the balloon down, not an F35.

Shawn142 wrote:

Here’s the problem with conspiracy theories, they almost always exist to explain a massive knowledge gap in a person’s understanding of how complex systems operate.  This...

Here’s the problem with conspiracy theories, they almost always exist to explain a massive knowledge gap in a person’s understanding of how complex systems operate.  This ain’t the movies, you don’t sit the Chinese version of Hugh Jackman in front of a computer with 6 screens and take over a jet mid flight via a balloon uplink bounced off Starlink satellites. If that was a thing there wouldn’t be drones in the sky over every major conflict in the world.  And the response to this incident would have been entirely different.  They wouldn’t ground just the B models for 2 days if there was serious risk to them from a foreign source.  The people in charge knew what happened and why already, but they don’t need to share that with us.  I can tell you there is no halt on the B model production, testing, or deliveries because of this.  

I'm Not You wrote:

Don't confuse Toolmaker anymore.

He's already out there far enough.

Shawn142 wrote:

Here’s the problem with conspiracy theories, they almost always exist to explain a massive knowledge gap in a person’s understanding of how complex systems operate.  This...

Here’s the problem with conspiracy theories, they almost always exist to explain a massive knowledge gap in a person’s understanding of how complex systems operate.  This ain’t the movies, you don’t sit the Chinese version of Hugh Jackman in front of a computer with 6 screens and take over a jet mid flight via a balloon uplink bounced off Starlink satellites. If that was a thing there wouldn’t be drones in the sky over every major conflict in the world.  And the response to this incident would have been entirely different.  They wouldn’t ground just the B models for 2 days if there was serious risk to them from a foreign source.  The people in charge knew what happened and why already, but they don’t need to share that with us.  I can tell you there is no halt on the B model production, testing, or deliveries because of this.  

ToolMaker wrote:

"Here’s the problem with conspiracy theories," The problem is you labeling it a "conspiracy theory". I originally called it a rumor. But conspiracy theory has been...

"Here’s the problem with conspiracy theories,"

The problem is you labeling it a "conspiracy theory". I originally called it a rumor. But conspiracy theory has been used as a term to get people to shut up. Our government lies to us so often that we need to question things, not shut up. And in the end we'll never know what really happened but it's fun to talk about. But even if it's not fun to talk about, you can't just let the government feed you their line of BS and never question things.

TM

colintrax wrote:

https://youtu.be/4USKSCeiA4U?si=1QJbukw-W2q69XRn

ToolMaker wrote:

Has anyone heard the rumors that: It wasn't that long ago that we had a Chinese spy balloon flying over collecting all our broadcast data near...

Has anyone heard the rumors that: It wasn't that long ago that we had a Chinese spy balloon flying over collecting all our broadcast data near and above our military bases. Could they have somehow analyzed that data to the point where they could send a remote signal to the F35 to eject the pilot. This as a warning to stay away from the Taiwan theater. That would be a really big thing if they could show they can hack our most sophisticated plane. And they have been doing some very high number of flights near Taiwan this last 2 weeks. Higher than normal I've read. Then you ask yourself, why are the other F35s grounded? What do they know that they are not telling us? Also this plane flew another 60 miles before going down. Depending on how fast you're going, 60 miles is not really that far, but it's still 60 miles from where the pilot got ejected.

TM

plowboy wrote:

Hold on there horse collar. I could be wrong...no I'm not.  The ejection seat is totally manual.  There is a lot of sequencing but until the...

Hold on there horse collar.

I could be wrong...no I'm not.  The ejection seat is totally manual.  There is a lot of sequencing but until the pilot pulls the lanyard...it doesn't move.

Could the Chinese have found a way to fuck with one of the other hundreds of systems...possible.  A lot of electronic shit on those birds.

The news said the pilot landed in the Charleston area but the wreckage was found "two hours" away.  Bad reporting but I assume they meant driving time.  

I have no idea what an F-35 glide ratio is...better than an F-4 (a brick was better).  Depending on altitude and speed...that's not unbelievable.  But it's sounding more like he bailed out of a good plane.  Hope I'm wrong.

ToolMaker wrote:

The pilot, assigned to the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, who parachuted into someone’s backyard, was auto-ejected...

The pilot, assigned to the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, who parachuted into someone’s backyard, was auto-ejected from his aircraft at 1,000 feet and about a mile from the airport, presenting the spectacle of a fighter jet with a mind of its own, or worse, vulnerable to hackers directing pilots out of their cockpits in the middle of the fight.

ToolMaker wrote:

The pilot, assigned to the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, who parachuted into someone’s backyard, was auto-ejected...

The pilot, assigned to the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, who parachuted into someone’s backyard, was auto-ejected from his aircraft at 1,000 feet and about a mile from the airport, presenting the spectacle of a fighter jet with a mind of its own, or worse, vulnerable to hackers directing pilots out of their cockpits in the middle of the fight.

ToolMaker wrote:

The pilot, assigned to the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, who parachuted into someone’s backyard, was auto-ejected...

The pilot, assigned to the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina-based Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, who parachuted into someone’s backyard, was auto-ejected from his aircraft at 1,000 feet and about a mile from the airport, presenting the spectacle of a fighter jet with a mind of its own, or worse, vulnerable to hackers directing pilots out of their cockpits in the middle of the fight.

colintrax wrote:

Where did you get that from?

bonseff wrote:

How hammered? 

https://x.com/OANN/status/1996768990874800219

TeamGreen wrote:

The 35 is being delivered with continuously developing software configurations. The one currently discussed the most, I think, arw Bloc 3F (w/Bloc 4 pending) and it...

The 35 is being delivered with continuously developing software configurations. The one currently discussed the most, I think, arw Bloc 3F (w/Bloc 4 pending) and it had been put on hold for still having too many  bugs and shortfalls showing up in service during the Test Releases of Bloc 3F (aka, TR).

For conversation sake…

This is can be looked at as comparable to the device you’re using to read this right now…

Imagine it being a “Beta Unit” for test and development and always making you reset or reboot…that’s apparently what they’re going thru with many of the production F35s. 

Also, the aircraft and its software are maturing…as designed…but, waaaay too slowly for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. It’s an extremely complex platform ranging from running its engines to comms like a spy satellite to other data systems that are layer upon layer upon layer of unbelievably convoluted complexity. 

If I’m not mistaken, “std issue F35s” are supposed to be at 50-60% capability…which, by the way…is superior to most gen IV a/c when it comes to getting shit done. But, here’s the thing…

It’s NOT 100% of the projected capability of the Completely Developed F35.

And…when the program started…we were suppose to “be there” by now…according to all the geniuses that planned and pitched the program…waaaaay back in THE NINETIES 🤣

TeamGreen wrote:

The 35 is being delivered with continuously developing software configurations. The one currently discussed the most, I think, arw Bloc 3F (w/Bloc 4 pending) and it...

The 35 is being delivered with continuously developing software configurations. The one currently discussed the most, I think, arw Bloc 3F (w/Bloc 4 pending) and it had been put on hold for still having too many  bugs and shortfalls showing up in service during the Test Releases of Bloc 3F (aka, TR).

For conversation sake…

This is can be looked at as comparable to the device you’re using to read this right now…

Imagine it being a “Beta Unit” for test and development and always making you reset or reboot…that’s apparently what they’re going thru with many of the production F35s. 

Also, the aircraft and its software are maturing…as designed…but, waaaay too slowly for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. It’s an extremely complex platform ranging from running its engines to comms like a spy satellite to other data systems that are layer upon layer upon layer of unbelievably convoluted complexity. 

If I’m not mistaken, “std issue F35s” are supposed to be at 50-60% capability…which, by the way…is superior to most gen IV a/c when it comes to getting shit done. But, here’s the thing…

It’s NOT 100% of the projected capability of the Completely Developed F35.

And…when the program started…we were suppose to “be there” by now…according to all the geniuses that planned and pitched the program…waaaaay back in THE NINETIES 🤣

Last2Stroke wrote:

The software development would be worth the effort, if a lot of the software can be used in future aircraft, F-47, B-21, etc.

Last2Stroke wrote:

The software development would be worth the effort, if a lot of the software can be used in future aircraft, F-47, B-21, etc.

plowboy wrote:

That would make sense and there's bound to be some crossover but there's probably less than you'd think.Edit...12 to 18 months is a light year in...

That would make sense and there's bound to be some crossover but there's probably less than you'd think.

Edit...12 to 18 months is a light year in weapons/systems development terms.  4 years from clean sheet to certified airframe is actually pretty fast but the egg heads never stop coming up with new crap they want "bolted" on the new plane which wasn't engineered to carry it.

It takes a huge company to build a modern aircraft but 3 goons with a computer can think up and design something the brass just can't live without.