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If They did Number per finish in last years Series, this would be the numbers for the top 20
Chase Sexton #1
Eli Tomac. #2
Cooper Webb #3
Ken Roczen. #4
Justin Barcia. #5
Jason Anderson #6
Aaron Plessinger #7
Justin Hill. #8
Adam Ciancurulo #9
Dean Wilson. #10
Shane Mcelrath #11
Christian Craig. #12
Josh Hill. #13
Colt Nichols. #14
Kyle Chisholm. #15
Kevin Moranz. #16
Justin Starling. #17
Grant Harlan. #18
Benny Bloss. #19
Joey Savatgy. #20
God damn, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Are we really this bent out of shape over how the system works? I thought we were just tracking the next up and comings that pick whatever childhood number they wanted.
Here’s something to think about:
Nascar 3, 24, 43, 48…
MotoGP 46, 69, 93, 99…
F1 5, 7, 12, 44…
I bet you recognize a handful of those, for a reason some call branding.
And some folks want an annual merit based system? What is this, cycling??
That's not how it was done, each rider that earned the #1 in their class would run the number 1 and the highest point earner would then get the #2 and would run that number in the class that he didn't get the championship...So Chase would have #2
It's just a number. It doesn't have to mean anything. I don't care what a rider's permanent number is. The only thing I care about is that it is easy to tell which rider I'm looking at on the screen or riding past me. Permanent numbers make that easier. I don't think riders should have to earn a permanent number at all. I get that a permanent number is a status symbol for the riders, but I don't care about that. When they go pro, they can pick any 1,2 or 3 digit number that isn't currently being used. And that is their number until they retire, except when they get to use the #1 plate. As a viewer/fan, that makes my life easier. If I want to know who finished second last year, I can ask Mr Gogol to do it for me without ever having to look away from the TV. I don't even care about riders building a social media brand, or selling merch. I just want to be able to easily identify riders.
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Firstly, we’ve already got multiple classes and series so numbers based on ranking don’t work.
Second, permanent numbers make riders identifiable on the track. It’s not about selling jerseys. I can look at any photo or video from the last twenty years or so since I started following the sport and I can tell you who most of the top riders are.
So as the points stand now, next year Chase would run #1 in SX and #5 in MX?
Or if you take combined points Aaron Plessinger would be #2 (even though he wasn’t even close to second in either series).
How does that make sense?
If it was up me Yes Chase would be #1 in SX and Run #5 outdoors, I wish it was Run the number you earned in the previous years Series Individually.
What if you’re injured and miss most or all of a series? Do you get 999?
What do 250 national champions get when they move up to 450’s? A higher or lower number than the privateer who scored 1 450 class point the previous year?
It makes sense because it's based on the points they scored across both series (three now with SMX).
It has nothing to do with where a rider placed in each individual series. They're rewarded for having scored the most points across every series.
Personally, I'd like them to eliminate the 250SX points counting for a national number because they're regional series. They didn't count them in the past, so not sure why that changed.
I was just pointing out how it was before they went to the permanent number system, you are correct on the number that both Chase and Aaron would have received in that system...I personally think we're fine where we are but I may change my mind with the SMX points counting...I'll hold my opinion on that until after SMX...
Mav,
I was told that they started counting the 250SX points because it was super difficult for a 250 rider to earn a career number without counting them and they earned the points so they should get credit for them. Not saying I agree but that's what I was told.
Where’s tracker since Budds?
keep it going please, even with SMX!
Post Budds Creek
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U1yqZdgMwep5S3xB4h1dGROl1PdvWye…
Post Ironman (what would have been National Numbers for next year, but now we wait to see what SMX will do to these numbers)
It will be interesting to compare post Ironman vs post SMX and see how far people rise or fall.
Also there are some numbers at top that could be "saved" even though the riders have not been racing for quite some time now.... not saying any names or numbers.
I will update if I hear of anyone saving their number for a just in case round or rounds next year in 24.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U1yqZdgMwep5S3xB4h1dGROl1PdvWye…
Wild that Kullas can come over, do 3 races and get a national number.
No its Motocross where it used to be tradition to run the number you earned. Some of us liked it best that way instead of trying to be like NASCAR. And I think it's dumb to have some with permanent numbers and some with earned. But hey we all have our opionins.
Post Charlotte - SMX Round 1
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U1yqZdgMwep5S3xB4h1dGROl1PdvWye…
Changes this week - Seth Hammaker (was 42, now sitting at 41), Caden Braswell (was 41, now 42), Austin Forkner (was 64, now 60), Stilez Robertson (was 60, now 61), Kevin Moranz (was 63, now 62), Cameron Mcadoo (was 62, now 63)
Points will definitely shake up significantly after the x2 and x3 point rounds.
I believe Bogle will be keeping the 19 for next year.
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You rock for doing this after every race.
The other issue is marketing. Eli items are #3 branded. If it was #1, then the next year #6 then the next season #85 (missed outdoors due to injury. You would have a merchadise nightmare. F1 had teams changing number and you would buy you favorite drivers items and every year have a different number. Back in the 70's and 80's when this wasn't a big deal I understood. But now everyon knows who is #18 and 96 and 94 and 3
Thanks! Let me know if you hear of any others!
I will update after next week and add Bogle as keeping.
I am sure there will be a couple others as well that get to keep as an *exception to the rule.
Thanks man! I enjoy these weird types of things in sports.
Post SMX Round 2 - Chicagoland
Couple Changes this week.
Moving up are Jordan Smith, Pierce Brown, Seth Hammaker, Jeremy Hand, Coty Shock.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U1yqZdgMwep5S3xB4h1dGROl1PdvWye…
Is that correct counting the seeding points?
Typo at number 82.
Mitchell Harrison, not Harrizon.
In the latest update on the number tracker tab, how would Vialle and Vohland be assigned these numbers? Maybe reading it wrong.
The riders who would have earned a career number (Deegan, Kitchen) have been assigned numbers that I think are their youth/amateur numbers, with Deegan being 38 and Kitchen being 47. The numbering for non-career numbers technically starts at 10. With Brayton not racing last year, he should forfeit his number, giving Vialle number 10 for 2024. Zacho as well has not raced, so then Vohland gets assigned 16. That is at least my understanding of it.
I took it as they needed to be included since they are counting them towards the championship. The last column on the points tab SMX points include; Seeding points, and the 1st and 2nd Rounds of SMX. If they are counting the seeding points towards the championship, I would assume they will be counting them towards the Numbering System as well.
You’re right, Don, but Tarza hit the nail on the head. Who would know that Justin Hill was a top-10 guy? He sure doesn’t get any love from the media. Run what you earn…..it shows the current pecking order and not indicative of a small bore c-ship or a combined top 10 (smh) with a lifetime legacy number.
Sexton taking #4, per Savatgy and Keefer on last night's PulpMX Show??
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