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RG437 wrote:
Febvre by my calculations has done 6 additional races this season.  3x Dutch Masters, Hawkstone, Lierop and Kieheuvel internationals, I may have missed one, that’s just...

Febvre by my calculations has done 6 additional races this season. 

3x Dutch Masters, Hawkstone, Lierop and Kieheuvel internationals, I may have missed one, that’s just from memory, but that would take him to 26 races by the end of the year. Not quite as many as the full US schedule, but still a substantial amount of races. 
 

The other thing to consider is the format of the two schedules. Yes the US schedule has 31 races, but all of them, with the exception of SMX that has some practice on Friday, are one day events. So that’s 33 race days a year. MXGP has points paying races, Saturday and Sunday, that’s 38 race days a year before you even get into the extra nationals and international races. A SX typically will be an hour of riding, 30 mins practice, 10 minute heat and a 20 minute main. A GP weekend is typically 2.5-3 hours riding. The riders are there all weekend, Thursday to Monday most weekends, not in Friday, out Sunday like a lot of the US races. Then you have to factor in the massive long haul trips to places like Indonesia and Argentina which is like 30+ hours of travel to get to from Europe, and those Indo trips can be 2 or more weeks away from home. 
 

I’m not trying to say that the schedule is harder in Europe, but there seems to always be a suggestion that the guys have it easy over here and nothing could be further from the truth 

DonM wrote:
Thank you! I think it is more even than people believe as I posted above none of the top US riders have or will have raced...

Thank you! I think it is more even than people believe as I posted above none of the top US riders have or will have raced all 31 races and all the 250 guys race 23 max...and I believe AP has raced the most in the US and he's going to MXDN...

RG437 wrote:
Both schedules are brutal in different ways. American schedule has very few weekends off but each race weekend is relatively short. MXGP has more time off...

Both schedules are brutal in different ways. American schedule has very few weekends off but each race weekend is relatively short. MXGP has more time off but the race weekends are a real slog. 
 

The thing for me is that it’s not like guys are being asked to commit to a 3 or 4 race series when they sign up for MXoN. It’s one weekend, maybe it’s a bit of an inconvenience but it’s not a huge burden I don’t think. 

I agree...Thanks!

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Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250...

Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250?

I get why MXGP guys want to do these side races because they pay well, but it is their option to race in them.

 

Some guys here told us,it‘s all about money!Right?

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9/12/2023 11:55am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 11:55am
Bonanza69 wrote:

It doesn‘t matter,factory racer or not!How about SX Bercy?A lot of GP riders have local sponsors,that‘s why they race outside of mxgp.

It DOES matter because I specifically said Factory Racers. 

Maybe we should start here....do you understand the difference between a Factory Racer and a non-Factory Racer?

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9/12/2023 11:57am
jjavaman wrote:

 That’s when Americans still had pride for their flag

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Seems to me like the people the most wound up about "American pride" aren't even Americans.

 

I think everyone feels a bit let  down by it , not often any of us get to see riders from both ends go head to head ( although there will still be that with Kenny Lawrence etc ) also think it’s the way they’ve gone about it I think they would be better of going on social media or doing an interview and just saying ‘ not had time on this bike need to test I’ll be back next year ‘ or something along them lines , some of it is bad luck aswell chase and Webb changing  brands , cooper getting married , then the frustrating part is people like haiden then pulling out because he’s scared he won’t win 👍

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9/12/2023 11:57am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 11:58am
LungButter wrote:

It DOES matter because I specifically said Factory Racers. 

Maybe we should start here....do you understand the difference between a Factory Racer and a non-Factory Racer?

Do you know the difference between LungButter and an Idiot?

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Well, for example, on August 15th (two days after the Swedish GP) guys like Herlings, Febvre, Paturel, Petrov, Everts, Sacha Coenen (Lucas had a concussion due...

Well, for example, on August 15th (two days after the Swedish GP) guys like Herlings, Febvre, Paturel, Petrov, Everts, Sacha Coenen (Lucas had a concussion due to his crash during practice at Sweden, he would've raced otherwise aswell), Elzinga, McLellan,.. raced at the Keiheuvel International in Belgium. A one-off race in deep sand that doesn't count for any championship at all. They did the same thing last year when August 15th was a Monday, coming from Finland during Sundaynight.

How many one-off races two days after a National have the AMA-guys raced this year?

Brent wrote:
Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250...

Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250?

I get why MXGP guys want to do these side races because they pay well, but it is their option to race in them.

 

Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders (more) so they would come over. When some GP riders get the same at a local race, it's almost called greed all of a sudden.

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9/12/2023 12:04pm
Bonanza69 wrote:

Do you know the difference between LungButter and an Idiot?

I don't, please enlighten me.

From where I'm sitting, an idiot would be someone like you that when they can't use facts they go straight to insults.   Wouldn't it have been easier to just admit you were wrong or didn't fully read before responding the next time?

Either way, I hope your day gets better for you bud.

 

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9/12/2023 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:10pm
DeStouwer wrote:
Well, for example, on August 15th (two days after the Swedish GP) guys like Herlings, Febvre, Paturel, Petrov, Everts, Sacha Coenen (Lucas had a concussion due...

Well, for example, on August 15th (two days after the Swedish GP) guys like Herlings, Febvre, Paturel, Petrov, Everts, Sacha Coenen (Lucas had a concussion due to his crash during practice at Sweden, he would've raced otherwise aswell), Elzinga, McLellan,.. raced at the Keiheuvel International in Belgium. A one-off race in deep sand that doesn't count for any championship at all. They did the same thing last year when August 15th was a Monday, coming from Finland during Sundaynight.

How many one-off races two days after a National have the AMA-guys raced this year?

Brent wrote:
Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250...

Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250?

I get why MXGP guys want to do these side races because they pay well, but it is their option to race in them.

 

DeStouwer wrote:
Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders...

Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders (more) so they would come over. When some GP riders get the same at a local race, it's almost called greed all of a sudden.

The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the crush of fans trying to get near them during this event.

the draw of this race  is USA versus the rest of the world. That is what draws fans and attention to the event.
Without the USA team racing, it is just another MXGP. 

I love MXGP and I think this year, the rider talent in Europe is equal or greater than American outdoor racers.  But InFront should be at least giving some funds to the USA team, “ start money” if you will, because like it or not they are the stars of this event.

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9/12/2023 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:13pm
Bonanza69 wrote:

Do you know the difference between LungButter and an Idiot?

LungButter wrote:
I don't, please enlighten me. From where I'm sitting, an idiot would be someone like you that when they can't use facts they go straight to...

I don't, please enlighten me.

From where I'm sitting, an idiot would be someone like you that when they can't use facts they go straight to insults.   Wouldn't it have been easier to just admit you were wrong or didn't fully read before responding the next time?

Either way, I hope your day gets better for you bud.

 

If you don't know the difference maybe there isn't any. Just Sayin'..

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9/12/2023 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:14pm
Bonanza69 wrote:

Do you know the difference between LungButter and an Idiot?

LungButter wrote:
I don't, please enlighten me. From where I'm sitting, an idiot would be someone like you that when they can't use facts they go straight to...

I don't, please enlighten me.

From where I'm sitting, an idiot would be someone like you that when they can't use facts they go straight to insults.   Wouldn't it have been easier to just admit you were wrong or didn't fully read before responding the next time?

Either way, I hope your day gets better for you bud.

 

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

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Brent wrote:
Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250...

Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250?

I get why MXGP guys want to do these side races because they pay well, but it is their option to race in them.

 

DeStouwer wrote:
Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders...

Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders (more) so they would come over. When some GP riders get the same at a local race, it's almost called greed all of a sudden.

Brent wrote:
The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the...

The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the crush of fans trying to get near them during this event.

the draw of this race  is USA versus the rest of the world. That is what draws fans and attention to the event.
Without the USA team racing, it is just another MXGP. 

I love MXGP and I think this year, the rider talent in Europe is equal or greater than American outdoor racers.  But InFront should be at least giving some funds to the USA team, “ start money” if you will, because like it or not they are the stars of this event.

When Americans where on top I actually agree here it was about seeing them against the top euros  , I think this year the Australian team might need the security 👍😂

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9/12/2023 12:19pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:22pm
Brent wrote:
Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250...

Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250?

I get why MXGP guys want to do these side races because they pay well, but it is their option to race in them.

 

DeStouwer wrote:
Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders...

Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders (more) so they would come over. When some GP riders get the same at a local race, it's almost called greed all of a sudden.

Brent wrote:
The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the...

The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the crush of fans trying to get near them during this event.

the draw of this race  is USA versus the rest of the world. That is what draws fans and attention to the event.
Without the USA team racing, it is just another MXGP. 

I love MXGP and I think this year, the rider talent in Europe is equal or greater than American outdoor racers.  But InFront should be at least giving some funds to the USA team, “ start money” if you will, because like it or not they are the stars of this event.

You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was the other way around? Or was it all an example of charity? Tool.

The USA Team WAS the star attraction of the MXoN, a long time ago, when RC, Stew, Dungey and other Villopoto's lead their teams by example.

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9/12/2023 12:20pm
MxAddic wrote:

If you don't know the difference maybe there isn't any. Just Sayin'..

Could be.

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Argaudas wrote:
MXGP guys start racing at around march in Italian championships (sometimes there's some snow around), then off to ADAC masters, Belgium championships, early British championships, many...

MXGP guys start racing at around march in Italian championships (sometimes there's some snow around), then off to ADAC masters, Belgium championships, early British championships, many go to toughest Netherland tracks, Spain, Swiss and many others. They have many races to attend, Americans aren't so special. So that "muricans got more races" excuses is full of bullshit, they aren't the only ones with many races on the calendar, they just choose to play that card. 

LungButter wrote:
So every MXGP racer goes to all those races? I find that hard to believe. Come with some real stats or what you are saying is...

So every MXGP racer goes to all those races?

I find that hard to believe.

Come with some real stats or what you are saying is also complete bullshit.

Sx 

17 rounds 

6 min heat

20 min main

442 minutes

34 gate drops 

Mx

11 rounds

2 x 30 min moto

660 minutes

22 gate drops

Smx

3 rounds 

2 x 20 min moto

120 minutes

6 gate drops

 

Total

1222 minutes

62 gate drops 

 

MXGP

19 rounds 

20 min qualifying

2 x 30 min motos

57 gate drops

1520 minutes

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9/12/2023 12:27pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:33pm
DeStouwer wrote:
You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was...

You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was the other way around? Or was it all an example of charity? Tool.

The USA Team WAS the star attraction of the MXoN, a long time ago, when RC, Stew, Dungey and other Villopoto's lead their teams by example.

I paid for everything myself with no help from anyone.   I’ve done the same, and continue to do this for several more Dutch riders trying to make a name in USA motocross. No one pays me one penny, it’s all out of pocket. 

Rick is family to us, I would do it again in a heartbeat. 
what’s your point?

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Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

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How do the mxgp riders do these extra races when the team owners control them like string puppets as I've been told is the case in the US? 

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9/12/2023 12:29pm
Sx  17 rounds  6 min heat 20 min main 442 minutes 34 gate drops  Mx 11 rounds 2 x 30 min moto 660 minutes 22 gate...

Sx 

17 rounds 

6 min heat

20 min main

442 minutes

34 gate drops 

Mx

11 rounds

2 x 30 min moto

660 minutes

22 gate drops

Smx

3 rounds 

2 x 20 min moto

120 minutes

6 gate drops

 

Total

1222 minutes

62 gate drops 

 

MXGP

19 rounds 

20 min qualifying

2 x 30 min motos

57 gate drops

1520 minutes

You forgot MXGP warm ups

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9/12/2023 12:32pm
Brent wrote:
Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250...

Yeah they rode the Keiheuvel race because they all got paid a crap load of start money! Why do you think Tony decided to race a 250?

I get why MXGP guys want to do these side races because they pay well, but it is their option to race in them.

 

DeStouwer wrote:
Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders...

Well, that's their right to do so, no? All I've been reading here the last couple of days is that InFront should pay the American riders (more) so they would come over. When some GP riders get the same at a local race, it's almost called greed all of a sudden.

Brent wrote:
The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the...

The USA team is the star attraction of the Motocross of Nations.  The American team in the past has had to hire security to thwart the crush of fans trying to get near them during this event.

the draw of this race  is USA versus the rest of the world. That is what draws fans and attention to the event.
Without the USA team racing, it is just another MXGP. 

I love MXGP and I think this year, the rider talent in Europe is equal or greater than American outdoor racers.  But InFront should be at least giving some funds to the USA team, “ start money” if you will, because like it or not they are the stars of this event.

There will be just as big a crowd, and the racing will be just as good, without the USA there. Sure, overall, the more high talent there is, the better the racing might be. But high talent comes from more places than the USA. With the way anything can happen at this race, you don't need USA riders there for excitement,  that will come anyway. Like it or not.

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Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

Ferrandis couldn’t win championships here he went to the US to get his 3 

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9/12/2023 12:39pm
Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

64smoker wrote:

Ferrandis couldn’t win championships here he went to the US to get his 3 

Lmfao...you guys.  MX is one man on a machine.  Where he was born ain't got nothing to do with how good he is.

Talent and luck.  All the money in the world won't buy either one.

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9/12/2023 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:44pm
LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

I watch and appreciate both series,no problem at all for me.It‘s a win win situation.

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Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

64smoker wrote:

Ferrandis couldn’t win championships here he went to the US to get his 3 

And left the world series 

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9/12/2023 12:48pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2023 12:50pm
DeStouwer wrote:
You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was...

You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was the other way around? Or was it all an example of charity? Tool.

The USA Team WAS the star attraction of the MXoN, a long time ago, when RC, Stew, Dungey and other Villopoto's lead their teams by example.

Brent wrote:
I paid for everything myself with no help from anyone.   I’ve done the same, and continue to do this for several more Dutch riders trying...

I paid for everything myself with no help from anyone.   I’ve done the same, and continue to do this for several more Dutch riders trying to make a name in USA motocross. No one pays me one penny, it’s all out of pocket. 

Rick is family to us, I would do it again in a heartbeat. 
what’s your point?

So you're telling me you're helping various Dutch amateurs of whom you've never heard before (or most of them) to race some Nationals, all out of your own pocket without any (chance on) ROI? Don't blame me for being sceptical about that please.

My point being: you blame InFront for not paying the American riders (while there is some prize money in MXoN), then you blame a handfull of GP riders for getting "a crap load of money" as you stated yourself at an international race (double standards, anyone?) and then you try to tell me you work for free - actually you're losing money - by helping some Dutch guys who will never make it to the top (not talking about Elzinga here). Seems all a bit contradictory to me.

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Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

64smoker wrote:

Ferrandis couldn’t win championships here he went to the US to get his 3 

So did vialle. Lmao won world titles,cdnt beat a 17 year old , and lost to levi kitchen 

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DeStouwer wrote:
You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was...

You're the guy that "helped" Elzinga when he was in the US, right? How much "start money" did you pay him? Oh wait, maybe it was the other way around? Or was it all an example of charity? Tool.

The USA Team WAS the star attraction of the MXoN, a long time ago, when RC, Stew, Dungey and other Villopoto's lead their teams by example.

Brent wrote:
I paid for everything myself with no help from anyone.   I’ve done the same, and continue to do this for several more Dutch riders trying...

I paid for everything myself with no help from anyone.   I’ve done the same, and continue to do this for several more Dutch riders trying to make a name in USA motocross. No one pays me one penny, it’s all out of pocket. 

Rick is family to us, I would do it again in a heartbeat. 
what’s your point?

DeStouwer wrote:
So you're telling me you're helping various Dutch amateurs of whom you've never heard before (or most of them) to race some Nationals, all out of...

So you're telling me you're helping various Dutch amateurs of whom you've never heard before (or most of them) to race some Nationals, all out of your own pocket without any (chance on) ROI? Don't blame me for being sceptical about that please.

My point being: you blame InFront for not paying the American riders (while there is some prize money in MXoN), then you blame a handfull of GP riders for getting "a crap load of money" as you stated yourself at an international race (double standards, anyone?) and then you try to tell me you work for free - actually you're losing money - by helping some Dutch guys who will never make it to the top (not talking about Elzinga here). Seems all a bit contradictory to me.

Dude the whole thing started and played out on VitalMX for everyone to see. lol

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mxb2 wrote:

So did vialle. Lmao won world titles,cdnt beat a 17 year old , and lost to levi kitchen 

Oh boy,don‘t start that shit once again!

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Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

The only reason riders come to the US is for the $$$, if the money wasn't there neither would they, the racing is just as good in Europe.

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LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

64smoker wrote:

Ferrandis couldn’t win championships here he went to the US to get his 3 

mxb2 wrote:

So did vialle. Lmao won world titles,cdnt beat a 17 year old , and lost to levi kitchen 

Vialle and ktm knew he wasn’t ready to go up a class , diffrent rules over here mx2 is more of a feeder class , not full of guys in there mid to late twenty’s , vialles settling in just fine imo anyone who thought he would win every week straight away on tracks he’s never ridden and a bike that’s way of star / pc would be a fool 

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Bonanza69 wrote:
It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world...

It must be frustrating,to entitle your national series with a handful of „factory riders“ the best series in the world!The greatest mx nation in the world won’t probably send their best „factory riders“ to the mxdn and hopping that you could find 3 „non factory riders“ to hold your flag in Ernée.Lol

LungButter wrote:
It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave...

It must be even more frustrating to think that MXGP is the premier series in the world and then watch most of the top talent leave for America to race year after year..... on the bright side, maybe you'll get Ferrandis back now that he's unable to find a ride he wants here.

64smoker wrote:

Ferrandis couldn’t win championships here he went to the US to get his 3 

be real impressive if he got some supercross championships outside of the US

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