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Jefferson was not a signatory to the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Nor did his sense of things align itself with all or even a majority of the signatories depending on the issues at hand. That collective give and take is evident even in The Federalist Papers, whose authors themselves were hardly on the same page on all issues
What you are doing is proof-texting quotes and language to support your personal political views, which in this case on this issue have been long repudiated as a matter of constitutional law. Your position aren't elevated to Constitutional fiat simply because you say so.
The Constitution provided for a republican government that would allow the will of the people to prevail through the political process as long as it did not unnecessarily intrude on specific enumerated individual civil liberties. There isn't a thing in the Constitution that prescribes capitalism or proscribes socialism beyond compensating the taking of private property. It enables the American people to choose their course democratically. That's a political process fully within the Constitutional framework.
On the other stuff, anyone who thinks the system here works well is in denial like a drunk who says he doesn't need to stop drinking because he hasn't died yet. The system is in a spiral where people can't afford care without insurance and insurance costs are rocketing so much that people can't afford insurance. If they can get it. Its cost to a business is hamstringing economic performance, and it's only getting worse.
I have to pay my premiums outright, not as a hidden benefit; $18K for a family. Just by itself. More than my combined taxes. And I am lucky to be employed to buy it through the group, because it wouldn't be available to me at any price if I was buying an individual policy.
The system we have is dragging initiative, productivity, and economic performance down the drain in this country. Is it really good for the country to drive families who work hard into bankruptcy because they can't pay medical bills? Often for conditions they aren't "personally responsible" for? There isn't any collective system for paying for health care delivery that is going to be perfect, but the one America hasi s a historical artifact that has broken down now regardless of what sense it made 60 years ago in a war economy.
I believe, and I could be mistaken, that Canada has set prices on how much a broken leg costs to fix and so on. The greed is the real problem with the American health care system.
The US medical system has an inherent fundamental flaw - involvement of and reliance on the insurance racket, er, industry.
Stick that in your unconstitutional pipe and smoke it.
Har!
You know, the guy in BC who has to go through a lottery to get health care. I'd like very much to ask him about this.
Or is this the point where you admit you're lying out of your ass?
The US health care system needs an overhaul, and a public option may help curtail cost, but at what price? Those without health insurance or who pay high premiums may benefit, but it will likely dilute the overall quality of care, as providers will take a "turn & burn" approach to replacing their lost income through additional patients. Those in the upper income bracket ($100K+ annually), will likely see premiums rise and coverage diminish.
Unless the public option is scrapped in the final version of the current health care legislation. (And at this point, the Democrats seem more concerned with passing anything than passing the right thing.)
The system is broken, and getting worse. Don't really understand the flag waving guys that are cool with paying out the ass for insurance, but, scared to death of any tax increase.
Health care is broken because American's approach to health is flawed. We've made tremendous strides in reducing the use of tobacco, but that's offset by the rapid rise in obesity and its related health issues. When 60% of a population is classified as "overweight", and half of that number is obese, then we're addressing an effect (health care costs), not the cause.
Basically, if we took better care of ourselves, then our cost would not be out of control. But for motorcycle riders, it's a double-edged sword. A public program will fix the immediate problem (i.e. set a broken leg), but may not cover secondary issues (repair a busted ACL). Some private plans have similar limitations, but at least you have the liberty of selecting your doctor (most of the time).
Nobody on this forum has any idea if the legislation in front of Congress will help curtail spiraling health care cost. A public program sounds warm & fuzzy, but the price tag will force the Fed to cut costs in other areas, or raise taxes. (Notice how the legislators say only the richest Americans will pay more, when the top 1% of income earners already pay nearly 40% of personal income taxes collected annually.)
Personally speaking, my family has outstanding health care coverage for about $4000 per year. And while I ride, I'm not keen on the idea of financing little Bobby Jerkthrottle's medical bills when he cases a triple he had no business attempting. Just like I wouldn't want to pay for a lifetime smoker's cancer therapy. In both situations the risk-takers knew the danger of their actions. And a public program managed by the US government will probably cover neither.
Pit Row
This is why there is a push in this country for health care reform, not because Americans want something for nothing.
BTW, Sweden did a study on the lifetime health care cost for smokers vs non-smokers. They found that non-smokers lived longer and cost more money in the long run because it's expensive to keep older people healthy whereas lung cancer kills people rather quickly and smokers typically don't live long enough to rack up huge health care bills in old age.
* America's health care system is a JOKE!
* It's all about profits in this country, not taking care of the people (we do have incredible care - if you can afford it. And anyone who has been reading the news lately, even poorly, can tell you the class of people that can is getting smaller and smaller).
* We're the most profitable health care system in the world
* 30,000 people die each year in America from treatable illnesses, but lack the coverage necessary.
* We're the only first world nation that doesn't have universal health care
* paying a slight increase in taxes would be WAY cheaper than paying thousands of dollars a year for health insurance.
CHECK THIS DOCUMENTARY OUT OF HEALTH CARE IN CAPITALIST COUNTRIES:
http://www.pbs.org/.../sickaroundtheworld/
Also, this new health care reform without the public option is a joke. The health care / pharmasudical industry spent 1.4 million dollars a day bribing politicians to make sure their profits stayed the same/ increased.
By supporting the system the way it is, you are supporting the billionaires who are raping you and everyone else in this country with their over-priced prices.
ps.
If it's not clear, I am for a public option.
Or the number of people who can't afford to fix their bikes, because they have to pay insurance bills?
If anything, a public option is GOOD for this sport.
ran by the...what's that? the fucking government!!
500 guy sez American government can't do shit right?
we have the best army, the best food safety, the best building codes safety, the best space program, the best patent and trademark program, the best etc etc...all ran by the fucking government. does that look like i am talking shit about america?
it is the best most efficient army is it not?
you wanna talk insurance..i'm walking around on a fucking 75000 dollar leg that costs about 20 grand to build....
yea the army guy knows his shit....his fucking bullshit
When the government starts mandating physicians' earnings (or any professional field's earnings for that matter), you will inevitably see a decline in the caliber of person going into that profession. The road to obtaining an MD is filled with obstacles, both educational and financial. Many exit med school with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans, and will scrape by at about $30K/year during residency and internship. Start-up cost are nothing to sneeze at, and while some do live quite well, the vast majority of doctors don't live in million dollar homes and drive Bentleys.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a $500K per year anestisialogist (sp?) working on my noodle than some flunkie who took the job 'cause the government set pay at $150K. And let's face it, if anyone on this board could pull down half a mil annually as a physician, we'd be doing it.
The problem with socialized medicine here is that socialist has been turned into something bordering a dirty word, and I dislike the fearmongering that's going on in Washington over healthcare reform.
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