Will Sherco ever build an MX version, was at the dealer this morning.

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It’s hot as hell in League City Texas and I’m bored, so thought I’d post.

Was at the dealer this morning, they sell Beta and Sherco.  I’d never laid eyes on either brand other than a magazine or computer.

I was surprised at Sherco, they are sharp.  I asked the dealer if he thought they would ever make an MX model.  Said he wouldn’t be surprised if they did someday.  I set one and if I was a headlight off road guy I would consider one.  Was a far cry from the old Bultaco Pursang I had back in the day lol. I didn’t ask about prices but I’d guess them to be up there with Beta, TM and Austrian bikes.

Its still fun to go to dealers and look at dirt scooters.
 

 

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Ask Steward Baylor how good they are 🤣🤷🏼‍♂️

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Ask Steward Baylor how good they are 🤣🤷🏼‍♂️

Good enough for 95% of the dudes who ride a dirt bike.

I got flamed here for saying the Sherco wouldn't last under Stew....I was proven right.  However, for most consumers they are pretty damn good bikes.

If I were in the market for a 300 single track scooter I'd buy a Sherco over the current Austrian offerings in a heart beat.

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This guy goes pretty good on one, I saw a video a few months ago of him and his dad (who was pretty good at mx) racing MX on Shercos, Mickael still got the holeshot but Zach did pass him. Pichon2.jpg?VersionId=Ke 1upXuwbTPQf

 

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No more than I know about Sherco if I was a headlight guy I might buy one over an Austrian bike too. The dealer I was at this morning had a 2023 KTM they took in trade for a Beta.  I think it was an 250SX with only. Couple of hours, looked new to me.  It was setting right right next to a Sherco and based on just looking at, it was every bit the same quality than KTM.  The Sherco seat was a little hard but it felt good to set on, rider triangle etc.  

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7/12/2023 4:00pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2023 4:07pm

There was a small batch a few years ago. Probably just a 19" rear wheel. I would consider their cross country for MX. 

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I almost bought a 300 two stroke last year, but backed out last minute because of parts availability and just the unknown factor. Plus I figured it would be difficult to sell if I didn’t like it. But the support is definitely growing in the states, as is the name. 

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I tell ya what, I love the 300 SEF Factory Edition and have done a few Moto's on one. With a Full Hinson or Torq Drive Kit, an ECU and some race fuel, it is AMAZING. 

The transmission is def for offroad, as I was shifting it like a 125 mostly from actually using the longer 1st and 2nd gear, but that bike has so much potential if it went on a diet and a 19" wheel. My game plan with a local dealer was to shed about 20lbs on her by removing all the unnecessary electronics, and I got a few Honda, and yamaha 19's I figured might bolt up. They're amazing machines. Huge advocate for them. 

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i was doing some test riding for Sherco a few years ago and they mentioned they have a MX bike in development and wanted to have a factory 250 team in the states by 2025.. 

Dont know if that fell through or not.. not sure. but it was on the cards

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I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).

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MX915 wrote:
I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).  

I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).

C4103AF5-CAC2-45DA-96E9-53648448E502.jpeg?VersionId=UZZlPo5xpcGXP9K3sVJsLu6IlAtq

 

What did you think of the handling and overall feel of the chassis?

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MX915 wrote:
I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).  

I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).

C4103AF5-CAC2-45DA-96E9-53648448E502.jpeg?VersionId=UZZlPo5xpcGXP9K3sVJsLu6IlAtq

 

CSAR FE wrote:

What did you think of the handling and overall feel of the chassis?

handle like a scared rabbit

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7/12/2023 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2023 9:18pm
CSAR FE wrote:

What did you think of the handling and overall feel of the chassis?

I was racing a 150 SX in hare scrambles before this and it handles / feels very similar but turns quicker and the overall chassis feels shorter front to back. Loves to change direction, possibly to a fault (sometimes can feel like its oversteering, but I actually feel like thats more on me). They're heavy, but once its in motion, that feeling completely goes away. They have a rep of being a quick turning and I've heard some say they can be somewhat unstable at high speeds or in loose terrain, but we have courses in NJ with 4th-5th gear whooped out sand straightaways and I don't think that at all. 
 

Suspension is way better than the KTM, even the closed cartridge WP forks after a revalve. All i did was change the springs for my weight. KYB front and rear so thats worth it right there IMO.

Granted, I am slow so take it for what its worth.

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MX915 wrote:
I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).  

I enjoy mine quite a bit. Just as reliable as my KTMs have been (which were rock solid).

C4103AF5-CAC2-45DA-96E9-53648448E502.jpeg?VersionId=UZZlPo5xpcGXP9K3sVJsLu6IlAtq

 

CSAR FE wrote:

What did you think of the handling and overall feel of the chassis?

decano51 wrote:

handle like a scared rabbit

Yikes. That puts them out of the running for me. That’s why I’ve never owned an RMZ, or a CRF newer than 08. 

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Here's a little history as told to me about 5 or so years ago: Sherco, Beta, and Rieju (and '18-19' Gas Gas) all share the same basic frame and swingarm that is built by WP (owned by KTM). They can specify specific geometry changes and/or upgrade to newer basic frame if they wish (until recently, they all used early mid 2010s). Beta is now using a different frame base than Rieju (I have not examined the latest Shercos so I cannot speak to those). Take a look at some pictures and compare and you will see they are pretty much the same frames and swingarms (except for latest Betas).  The difference between these bikes and a KTM group motorcycle is the engine and its impact on the handling.  They turn more sharply because the motor typically weighs more than a KTM motor and the rotating crank mass also is a factor.  In my 4 years of riding a 2018 GG 300, the stability was only an issue before I resprung the bike for my old, f@t @ss.  

If I were in AZ, I would take a measuring tape and go to Motocenter Powersports in Mesa to look at Sherco and find a Beta dealer up there and measure things myself...Just my 2 cents...

Eric

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7/13/2023 9:12am Edited Date/Time 7/13/2023 9:13am
Here's a little history as told to me about 5 or so years ago: Sherco, Beta, and Rieju (and '18-19' Gas Gas) all share the same...

Here's a little history as told to me about 5 or so years ago: Sherco, Beta, and Rieju (and '18-19' Gas Gas) all share the same basic frame and swingarm that is built by WP (owned by KTM). They can specify specific geometry changes and/or upgrade to newer basic frame if they wish (until recently, they all used early mid 2010s). Beta is now using a different frame base than Rieju (I have not examined the latest Shercos so I cannot speak to those). Take a look at some pictures and compare and you will see they are pretty much the same frames and swingarms (except for latest Betas).  The difference between these bikes and a KTM group motorcycle is the engine and its impact on the handling.  They turn more sharply because the motor typically weighs more than a KTM motor and the rotating crank mass also is a factor.  In my 4 years of riding a 2018 GG 300, the stability was only an issue before I resprung the bike for my old, f@t @ss.  

If I were in AZ, I would take a measuring tape and go to Motocenter Powersports in Mesa to look at Sherco and find a Beta dealer up there and measure things myself...Just my 2 cents...

Eric

 As someone pretty familiar with these “exotic” bikes and have had Beta’s since 2013, been around Sherco’s, Reiju (older GG) a lot, what you where told is way off. Those bikes are nothing alike and ride completely different. 
 

Other than the fact that they have steel frames not much is similar. It’s kinda like saying all the Japanese bikes with aluminum frames are the same. 

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I rode the Sherco 250 and 300 two strokes on a moto track and was really impressed. Suspension was nice and in the ballpark, power was very KTM like, good components. Still considering getting one.

Also tried the 450, it was quite terrible. Heavy, zero high rpm power, far too soft for moto. 

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Here's a little history as told to me about 5 or so years ago: Sherco, Beta, and Rieju (and '18-19' Gas Gas) all share the same...

Here's a little history as told to me about 5 or so years ago: Sherco, Beta, and Rieju (and '18-19' Gas Gas) all share the same basic frame and swingarm that is built by WP (owned by KTM). They can specify specific geometry changes and/or upgrade to newer basic frame if they wish (until recently, they all used early mid 2010s). Beta is now using a different frame base than Rieju (I have not examined the latest Shercos so I cannot speak to those). Take a look at some pictures and compare and you will see they are pretty much the same frames and swingarms (except for latest Betas).  The difference between these bikes and a KTM group motorcycle is the engine and its impact on the handling.  They turn more sharply because the motor typically weighs more than a KTM motor and the rotating crank mass also is a factor.  In my 4 years of riding a 2018 GG 300, the stability was only an issue before I resprung the bike for my old, f@t @ss.  

If I were in AZ, I would take a measuring tape and go to Motocenter Powersports in Mesa to look at Sherco and find a Beta dealer up there and measure things myself...Just my 2 cents...

Eric

ccullins76 wrote:
 As someone pretty familiar with these “exotic” bikes and have had Beta’s since 2013, been around Sherco’s, Reiju (older GG) a lot, what you where told...

 As someone pretty familiar with these “exotic” bikes and have had Beta’s since 2013, been around Sherco’s, Reiju (older GG) a lot, what you where told is way off. Those bikes are nothing alike and ride completely different. 
 

Other than the fact that they have steel frames not much is similar. It’s kinda like saying all the Japanese bikes with aluminum frames are the same. 

I'm sorry, I never meant to imply they rode the same and nowhere did I say that.  I was trying to relate what was told to me regarding the frames and swingarms all being made in the same factory to Beta/Sherco/Rieju specifications (as stated in my prior post) and what was told to me is not wrong.  Yes, they would ride differently because of numerous factors including geometry, suspension, weight, center of gravity, setup, etc.  Oh, and none of the Japanese aluminum frames are currently built by a single entity so pointing that out is irrelevant.  And while I am being direct, the point of my prior post was that if you are thinking of buying a bike, do your own research and don't rely on someone saying "the overall chassis feels shorter" to discount the bike for your needs.  Go to the shop, take some measurements, and talk to the guys at the dealer.  As a Beta and GG/Rieju owner, I was actually sticking up for the Sherco!

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I have spent some time on a Sherco 450 factory edition, it is an outstanding off road bike. 

If you watch any of the coverage of European enduro events, you will see that Sherco is a big player, and the top guys who ride them haul the mail

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7/22/2023 6:09am Edited Date/Time 7/22/2023 7:59am

Sherco had built a test mx bike a while ago, the images used to be up on google but I dont see them anymore. Luckily I had saved them in my phone. Does anyone know the story behind this bike? Why wasnt it pursued further? 
 

Looks pretty good imo. This was like 5-7 years ago so they were way ahead of the curve on the super tiny side plates. 

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My riding buddy that I spend a lot of time with everywhere riding single track to some moto rides a 22 300 so I have some experience on one and his experience with it (he’s a Yamaha guy at heart but they don’t make good 2 stroke offroad bikes for tech riding). 
 

pros - kyb, ton of low end grunt, great handling, looks so so good in person! Not everyone has one.

cons - vibrates like an old school 2 stroke, heaviest 300 on the market, build quality isn’t of an Austrian bike or a Honda ( think plastic figment, hardware, etc.), air filter system isn’t easy and reliable to change in and out to clean, the bike feels as big as it weighs. Rare bike and dealers aren’t everywhere for them. Resale ease isn’t there.
 

I almost bought one,  I really did. But the cons list was just too much over the pros for me.

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