The best thing about Jett Lawrence hitting the scene

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6/23/2023 12:41pm
Renner153 wrote:
Floating and finessing the track is not a new riding style. Kenny, Chase, Windham and plenty others have always ridden like that. Jumping breaking bumps into...

Floating and finessing the track is not a new riding style. Kenny, Chase, Windham and plenty others have always ridden like that. Jumping breaking bumps into turns is, again, nothing new. I watched Bobryshev in Charlotte jump about 35 feet off a breaking bump into the corner behind pit lane.

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Agreed man, I think people often take comments like this as a negative, but it's just a fact. Gautier Paulin and a lot of other MXGP/MX2...

Agreed man, I think people often take comments like this as a negative, but it's just a fact. Gautier Paulin and a lot of other MXGP/MX2 guys do some cool shit along these lines too.

I do think it's also a fact that Jett, and Chase to a fair extent, have put all these pieces together and refined them and are perfecting this approach to riding, even if it's isn't new as such.

It's super impressive to see.

They're not perfecting it, they are executing it, Jett at the highest level.  Just as Everts was executing it at a higher level and Bailey was executing it at a higher level, and Torsten Hallman was executing at a high level, during their eras.  This distinction between riding styles always has existed and was some riders' style just as much in the 60s and 70s as it is now.  The performance capacity of bikes today allows it to play out differently and impressively, as impressively for Tomac's style as for Jett's and Chase's.  That's been true anytime bike development permitted riders to push limits further, with track conditions evolving along side .

If "perfecting it" means moving forward, fine; if that "it's arrived," nah.  Technology (not just suspension, but electronics/FI) will improve and riders will apply it to the tracks they ride in their era on into the future, with the best talent getting the most out of it.  

That takes nothing away from Jett, who is an incredible riding talent and even better a very smart racer, two things that don't often align unfortunately.  

You know who looked a lot like Jett, tooling around ahead of the "chargers?"  Marty Tripes, who could beat anyone in the world on any day, but frankly did not have the whole package to make "any day" happen on enough days relative to his talent.  Does not seem like that will be an issue with Jett.  

 

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6/23/2023 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2023 12:54pm

You know what, that's fair man, may have been poor word choice or over enthusiastic on my part, but I'm on the same page.

I saw Everts in person a couple of times and it was incredible. Never saw his dad and haven't seen Liam yet, mind you.

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RudyRayMo wrote:

They think Jett, hunter, and j law are related. 

Brad460 wrote:

Their not? 

There not? 

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RudyRayMo wrote:

They think Jett, hunter, and j law are related. 

Brad460 wrote:

Their not? 

wildbill wrote:

There not? 

no.. they are not.. hahahaha i hope that was sarcasm 

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6/23/2023 5:11pm

It might go a bit shallower than that 51.

 

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Richy wrote:
You know what, that's fair man, may have been poor word choice or over enthusiastic on my part, but I'm on the same page. I saw...

You know what, that's fair man, may have been poor word choice or over enthusiastic on my part, but I'm on the same page.

I saw Everts in person a couple of times and it was incredible. Never saw his dad and haven't seen Liam yet, mind you.

Totally get it, we had a decade or more of balls out champs after MC from RC to Stew to RV to Tomac.

It's also weird, if I remember correctly, that DB's injury came trying to do one of those subtle pushing it moves, and in practice I think.  These guys are on a hairy edge no matter what the style is, even when it's made to look easy.

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RudyRayMo wrote:

They think Jett, hunter, and j law are related. 

Brad460 wrote:

Their not? 

wildbill wrote:

There not? 

Isn't it common knowledge over they're? Huh

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Lawn Snob wrote:
The best thing is everyone keeps saying he's only winning because its a weak field. But nobody has an answer to stopping him. Tomac and Chase's...

The best thing is everyone keeps saying he's only winning because its a weak field. But nobody has an answer to stopping him. Tomac and Chase's terrible starts would not have an answer either. Both would be scratching their heads. 

Chase gets bad starts?

6/23/2023 7:22pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2023 7:23pm

He looks lame with that A Stars superhero euro gear with his pants pulled up to his belly button. But hey, he’s beating the most depleted field in moto history. Congrats. 

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6/23/2023 7:46pm
lostboy819 wrote:
I got to see Hannah, Bailey, Ward, Johnson, Carmichael, Stewart , Omara, McGrath, Bayle, and countless others and now get to see Jett take this era...

I got to see Hannah, Bailey, Ward, Johnson, Carmichael, Stewart , Omara, McGrath, Bayle, and countless others and now get to see Jett take this era to a new level. I am damn lucky. Cool

I don’t think he’s taking the sport to a new level, he’s just faster than everyone on the national scene atm. 

Ya, we get you don't like/appreciate him. You should also know it took a few years for the competition to actually figure out why MC was faster than them. 

6/23/2023 7:48pm

Although Chad has 3 Premier class Championships, the Lawrence brothers have given us big hopes for more Aussie championships.

Oi,oi,oi.

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6/24/2023 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 6/24/2023 4:01pm
resetjet wrote:
I think he has developed a new riding style.  From attack the track to finesse the track.  Dont ride the track like everyone else does.  Find...

I think he has developed a new riding style.  From attack the track to finesse the track.  Dont ride the track like everyone else does.  Find a way to avoid the nasties.  I am sure this has been said.   I would love to see a full race breakdown of clips of him hitting sections vs others.  

Renner153 wrote:
Floating and finessing the track is not a new riding style. Kenny, Chase, Windham and plenty others have always ridden like that. Jumping breaking bumps into...

Floating and finessing the track is not a new riding style. Kenny, Chase, Windham and plenty others have always ridden like that. Jumping breaking bumps into turns is, again, nothing new. I watched Bobryshev in Charlotte jump about 35 feet off a breaking bump into the corner behind pit lane.

Jett reminds me of Everts. No wasted energy, perfect riding technique, stands up through a lot of ruts, good line selection, patient, going faster than it looks.

 

 

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How does one compare a rider today to a rider from the 70s 80s etc.? Two strokes, four strokes, it’s so different, how much better would guys from the two stroke era be on a four? Or for that matter, how much worse would some be on a two?

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Maddog55 wrote:
How does one compare a rider today to a rider from the 70s 80s etc.? Two strokes, four strokes, it’s so different, how much better would...

How does one compare a rider today to a rider from the 70s 80s etc.? Two strokes, four strokes, it’s so different, how much better would guys from the two stroke era be on a four? Or for that matter, how much worse would some be on a two?

The top guys still are the top guys, and would be in any era.  You can see shadows of this when top talent bridged the transition to long travel suspension.  Plenty of riders have succeeded on both two and four strokes, Everts being one example over the course of a career.  But yeah obviously you cannot compare results rider to rider because they didn't race against each other and conditions, equipment, and competition change.

One big difference is that bikes would not survive well early on, which to some extent dictated how you rode to make the bike last.  I think it was into the mid 70s before the GPs stopped dropped rounds that basically accommodated how unreliable bikes could be then.  Mechanical DNFs are much more rare today.  

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resetjet wrote:
I think he has developed a new riding style.  From attack the track to finesse the track.  Dont ride the track like everyone else does.  Find...

I think he has developed a new riding style.  From attack the track to finesse the track.  Dont ride the track like everyone else does.  Find a way to avoid the nasties.  I am sure this has been said.   I would love to see a full race breakdown of clips of him hitting sections vs others.  

That's a new riding style?  You're kidding, right?  

I am not talking about avoiding trouble. I ride that way because i suck.  Of course jumping the breaking bumps or whatever isnt new either.  But the whole process that he has put together is.  Its a ton of very subtle maneuvers.  Maybe its not new,  but i dont feel anyone has done anything this prolific. 

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