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I’m glad that there are still people being appreciative that we have incredible talent on both sides of the world in the 250 class(es) Smile

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Easier barrier to entry, easier money! Butron scored 1.475 points on average per moto in his last 20 MXGPs.  Here he is in the top ten...

Easier barrier to entry, easier money!

Butron scored 1.475 points on average per moto in his last 20 MXGPs.  Here he is in the top ten.

Locurcio scored 1.67 points on average per moto in the 14 MXGPs he raced. Here he is in the top ten.

... and that's with 20-30 rider gates.

Vialle is a much better rider than both of them but he can extend his 250 career in America, earn a ton of cash and not be forced up to MXGP. Hypothetically he wouldn't have to race the likes of Hunter Lawrence, RJ, Justin Cooper, Jeremy Martin, Michael Mosiman and Jordon Smith in Europe this season, they would all have to be in MXGP. 

 

Your post is spot on,let the trolls give you downvotes.Laughing

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5/28/2023 3:26am

Deegan is super impressive, on his day he will Win forsure.

Hunter is the vet of the class, he’s had GP experience should win the championship, pressure is on him.

Vialle looked like he rode a very calculated ride. AMA is a much more condensed wk End compared to GP’s. Vaile will need to learn to bring intensity sooner, but there’s not rush, I’d much rather seen him stay classy & healthy, bring home the bacon next year. 👌 

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Vialle is a 2 times world champion yes it's true, but last year Geerts was faster, only Geerts had to many crashes.

Just the year before when Renaux was the strongest and Geerts had also a lot of crashes.

Vialle is an excellent starter, he's proven that in the SX and now in the outdoors, and if you put in a few fast laps in the beginning it's almost impossible to catch up if you have a bad start.

Prado proves this almost every week in the GPs.

And physically I compare Vialle the most to Prado. They are very fast but physically not the strongest

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5/28/2023 4:08am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2023 4:10am

All I took from 250s this weekend:

Vialle is still getting into the swing of things in America, and not writing off his season for the sake of chasing immediate results may be a wise move.

Deegan will have some impressive rides outdoors, just as he did in supercross.

Finally, the 250 class definitely has the potential for some awesome racing, just as most of us hoped or expected.

No need to talk down on anyone, we're on course for some quality viewing and we should appreciate it 🙂

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5/28/2023 4:28am
Richy wrote:
All I took from 250s this weekend: Vialle is still getting into the swing of things in America, and not writing off his season for the...

All I took from 250s this weekend:

Vialle is still getting into the swing of things in America, and not writing off his season for the sake of chasing immediate results may be a wise move.

Deegan will have some impressive rides outdoors, just as he did in supercross.

Finally, the 250 class definitely has the potential for some awesome racing, just as most of us hoped or expected.

No need to talk down on anyone, we're on course for some quality viewing and we should appreciate it 🙂

I agree the 250s will be great with all the talent. But the 450s seem like they're gonna be a snoozer. All the 450 riders should count their lucky stars Eli and to a lesser extent the other factory guys aren't there. But it's only one race down and Sexton wasn't himself because of the practice crash he took. I'm not knocking Jett because you race who is on the line, but this is a seriously dilapidated field that he raced today. Not a fan but he's the real deal so far.

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5/28/2023 4:45am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2023 11:27am

Have to agree with you on this one dude 👍 Hopefully Chase and Dylan find what they're looking for and can take the fight back to Jett.

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5/28/2023 4:49am
Richy wrote:
All I took from 250s this weekend: Vialle is still getting into the swing of things in America, and not writing off his season for the...

All I took from 250s this weekend:

Vialle is still getting into the swing of things in America, and not writing off his season for the sake of chasing immediate results may be a wise move.

Deegan will have some impressive rides outdoors, just as he did in supercross.

Finally, the 250 class definitely has the potential for some awesome racing, just as most of us hoped or expected.

No need to talk down on anyone, we're on course for some quality viewing and we should appreciate it 🙂

I agree the 250s will be great with all the talent. But the 450s seem like they're gonna be a snoozer. All the 450 riders should...

I agree the 250s will be great with all the talent. But the 450s seem like they're gonna be a snoozer. All the 450 riders should count their lucky stars Eli and to a lesser extent the other factory guys aren't there. But it's only one race down and Sexton wasn't himself because of the practice crash he took. I'm not knocking Jett because you race who is on the line, but this is a seriously dilapidated field that he raced today. Not a fan but he's the real deal so far.

450's are going to be a snoozer is an understatement.  I don't even care about the other guys. I just wanted Tomac is this fight with Jett and Chase. Thank God for the clear thinking posters on Vital. Yes I just said that. I'm reading everywhere on social media the championship is over already and how Jett is going to rewrite the history books. Pump the brakes people

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You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you were the Vital excuse machine for him when he didn't go clean house on the euro boys.

I read the RacerX interview with Tom and in no way did he think he was coming to America to race an easier venue. He actually stated he wanted the competition and knew he was coming into a very competitive environment. I think he'll do just fine and some of you will have to crank up the ol' Vital excuse machine if he starts winning, which I think he will. 

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5/28/2023 5:19am

At least he didn't stall the bike on the start line like that guy who won 4 Supercross titles in a row did when he tried to get a world title.

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Vialle probably isn't used to carrying the speed he needs to for these smooth 'merican tracks /sarcasm. Did you guys see the MXGP race in France. Totally gnarly. Vialle's fine, as is Vohland with great first moto ride. 

On the 450 class, it is depleted. However I don't think Eli would have had anything for Jett this weekend. Would have been to see him try if he was healthy, but damn Jett didn't appear to be doing anything but manage the lead. Smooth AF. With a depleted field hopefully it will give a privateer a chance for a top 10 or even top 5, improve their sponsorship situation and perhaps giving them the boost (like John Dowd) to make the jump to a factory ride. 

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5/28/2023 6:00am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2023 6:18am

Real classy thread here. Very Deeganesk I must say. Never seen anybody gloat about a factory rider beating washed up privateers before. Must have been super impressive for one to do so.

Vialle looked to struggle with the track all day. I will make sure and start a thread every time Dangerboy gets beat by him. Only fair to do so.

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5/28/2023 6:16am
BBA wrote:
You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you...

You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you were the Vital excuse machine for him when he didn't go clean house on the euro boys.

I read the RacerX interview with Tom and in no way did he think he was coming to America to race an easier venue. He actually stated he wanted the competition and knew he was coming into a very competitive environment. I think he'll do just fine and some of you will have to crank up the ol' Vital excuse machine if he starts winning, which I think he will. 

On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the mxgp ?

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The amount of track time GP guys get compared to US Nats can’t be understated. 
 

Given Vialle is learning tracks in considerably less time than used to I’d give him some time.

5/28/2023 6:30am
BBA wrote:
You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you...

You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you were the Vital excuse machine for him when he didn't go clean house on the euro boys.

I read the RacerX interview with Tom and in no way did he think he was coming to America to race an easier venue. He actually stated he wanted the competition and knew he was coming into a very competitive environment. I think he'll do just fine and some of you will have to crank up the ol' Vital excuse machine if he starts winning, which I think he will. 

mxb2 wrote:
On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the...

On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the mxgp ?

Romain Febvre Wink

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5/28/2023 6:33am
BBA wrote:
You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you...

You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you were the Vital excuse machine for him when he didn't go clean house on the euro boys.

I read the RacerX interview with Tom and in no way did he think he was coming to America to race an easier venue. He actually stated he wanted the competition and knew he was coming into a very competitive environment. I think he'll do just fine and some of you will have to crank up the ol' Vital excuse machine if he starts winning, which I think he will. 

mxb2 wrote:
On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the...

On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the mxgp ?

crusty_xx wrote:
Romain Febvre 

Romain Febvre Wink

Ok,fair enough i wasnt sure what guys were rookies that year.  

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5/28/2023 6:43am
mxb2 wrote:
On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the...

On his retirement year lol, vialle is fresh and ready.  Whole different scenario  and rv still won a. Mxgp. Race. What rookie beat rv in the mxgp ?

crusty_xx wrote:
Romain Febvre 

Romain Febvre Wink

mxb2 wrote:

Ok,fair enough i wasnt sure what guys were rookies that year.  

Well RV did pretty shitty in Qatar. Febvre wasn't close in the other races. But since you asked Whistling

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Romain Febvre 

Romain Febvre Wink

mxb2 wrote:

Ok,fair enough i wasnt sure what guys were rookies that year.  

crusty_xx wrote:
Well RV did pretty shitty in Qatar. Febvre wasn't close in the other races. But since you asked 

Well RV did pretty shitty in Qatar. Febvre wasn't close in the other races. But since you asked Whistling

He won qatar? 

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BBA wrote:
You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you...

You know, I remember some of you having the exact reverse reaction when RV decided to go race overseas. I remember how a lot of you were the Vital excuse machine for him when he didn't go clean house on the euro boys.

I read the RacerX interview with Tom and in no way did he think he was coming to America to race an easier venue. He actually stated he wanted the competition and knew he was coming into a very competitive environment. I think he'll do just fine and some of you will have to crank up the ol' Vital excuse machine if he starts winning, which I think he will. 

The RV take is still by far the dumbest thing I've seen here at Vital or from moto "fans" in general. That guy won the overall at the second GP and the guy behind him in points, when he got injured, won the championship that year. How can people judge him and say he failed when he literally did three races and won one of them. Mindblowing.

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mxb2 wrote:

Ok,fair enough i wasnt sure what guys were rookies that year.  

crusty_xx wrote:
Well RV did pretty shitty in Qatar. Febvre wasn't close in the other races. But since you asked 

Well RV did pretty shitty in Qatar. Febvre wasn't close in the other races. But since you asked Whistling

mxb2 wrote:

He won qatar? 

Thailand. .my bad. Brainfart. 

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He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on. PS to OP, An Aussie won...

He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on.

PS to OP, An Aussie won the race, came from the GP's too.

According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series. 

I have nothing against foreign riders coming to the US, I am a foreigner myself, and I don't have anything against Tom, I'm just tired of hearing how "easy" it is here and how the GP riders are the best in the world. 

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5/28/2023 7:00am
He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on. PS to OP, An Aussie won...

He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on.

PS to OP, An Aussie won the race, came from the GP's too.

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According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series.  I have...

According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series. 

I have nothing against foreign riders coming to the US, I am a foreigner myself, and I don't have anything against Tom, I'm just tired of hearing how "easy" it is here and how the GP riders are the best in the world. 

The entire argument is dumb. And I mean on both sides of the argument. I do have a question though. So Jett is a GP rider? He spent 90% of his career here and developed into the rider he is today from racing in the AMA. But when he wins the GP fan boys get to claim him?

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He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on. PS to OP, An Aussie won...

He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on.

PS to OP, An Aussie won the race, came from the GP's too.

WarrenMX wrote:
According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series.  I have...

According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series. 

I have nothing against foreign riders coming to the US, I am a foreigner myself, and I don't have anything against Tom, I'm just tired of hearing how "easy" it is here and how the GP riders are the best in the world. 

I think that mindset shifted a lot here after the MXON last year. It's pretty clear right now that the top guys are all pretty close from both series and that different riders can win on any given day.

On the swapmoto interview Vialle for example said that he doesn't have a big problem with the AMA schedule, since he won one of his titles during the one day Covid format. He also said his bad qualifying came from a crash where he hurt his leg a little bit. I think he'll be fine.

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He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on. PS to OP, An Aussie won...

He would have taken a confidence hit during the SX series, he should do better as the season goes on.

PS to OP, An Aussie won the race, came from the GP's too.

WarrenMX wrote:
According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series.  I have...

According to the GP fans, said Aussie couldn't hack it at the GPs so he had to come over and race the "easy" series. 

I have nothing against foreign riders coming to the US, I am a foreigner myself, and I don't have anything against Tom, I'm just tired of hearing how "easy" it is here and how the GP riders are the best in the world. 

Cant use the he doesnt race sx excuse now lol. Deegan is 5 years younger and beat him in both now. Lol.  Maybe not as easy as it looks 😌

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At least he didn't stall the bike on the start line like that guy who won 4 Supercross titles in a row did when he tried...

At least he didn't stall the bike on the start line like that guy who won 4 Supercross titles in a row did when he tried to get a world title.

What a bunch of retarded euros

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5/28/2023 7:32am
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Haha gotta give RJ credit, he never gave up… 3 dirt samples and a bad start. He’s going to be a player this year, if he...

Haha

gotta give RJ credit, he never gave up… 3 dirt samples and a bad start. He’s going to be a player this year, if he can stay off the ground 

Evergreen comment. 

Tigers and stripes and all that

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Vialle probably isn't used to carrying the speed he needs to for these smooth 'merican tracks /sarcasm. Did you guys see the MXGP race in France...

Vialle probably isn't used to carrying the speed he needs to for these smooth 'merican tracks /sarcasm. Did you guys see the MXGP race in France. Totally gnarly. Vialle's fine, as is Vohland with great first moto ride. 

On the 450 class, it is depleted. However I don't think Eli would have had anything for Jett this weekend. Would have been to see him try if he was healthy, but damn Jett didn't appear to be doing anything but manage the lead. Smooth AF. With a depleted field hopefully it will give a privateer a chance for a top 10 or even top 5, improve their sponsorship situation and perhaps giving them the boost (like John Dowd) to make the jump to a factory ride. 

Odd one, Vialle said post-race that Fox Raceway was possibly the roughest and bumpiest track he's ever raced...

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5/28/2023 7:55am
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Cant use the he doesnt race sx excuse now lol. Deegan is 5 years younger and beat him in both now. Lol.  Maybe not as easy...

Cant use the he doesnt race sx excuse now lol. Deegan is 5 years younger and beat him in both now. Lol.  Maybe not as easy as it looks 😌

I get rooting for guys from the USA, gotta support your countrymen. But, you seem to take things to almost a personal level. What have you got against the Euro bros? The guy leaves the series he grew up racing, with great success, to try something completely different on the other side of the world. Then after a single outdoor round you are chest thumping like you beat him yourself.... Kind of a shitty look my man. 

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5/28/2023 7:59am

Jesus, to the guys not getting the RV comments, we're saying maybe don't judge a guy based on round one. Vialle looked good and he's only gonna get better. If I could change one thing about this sport it would be the fucking Euro vs US bullshit. It could be a legit bench racing question but my god it just isn't that at the moment.

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