Ducati + Webb 2024 Rumor

Webb star 2024 

I’ve already been told whose team Ducati is going  with. I ain’t saying shit but If true, Webb deal makes sense. 

Correct. 
 

ducati wants Dakar no mx or sx 

Would be cool to see a desmodromic single cylinder 450. Ducati has really stepped it up in the last decade with the reliability of their bike, service intervals aren’t horrible like the used to be either, they’re just kind of all around great machines now. I’d be super excited to see them make a motocross bike 

Ducati?? " What??.....No I hadn't heard this!!?? " 

I heard that 2024 will be a testing year for Ducati in MXGP, and 2025 will be their first full season. I have not heard anything about supercross, however I know US dealers would love an MX bike to offer their customers. 

Kinda like Ken Roczen leaving Honda to ride for non-factory Suzuki team....

Webb rumor sounds crazy...  Considering it's years away.  But just the thought of adding Triumph, Beta and Ducati to the mix by 2026 is exciting.  

Webb is going to star. Contract is done 

I see you are making a LL run, good luck at the regional 

Can't watch anything that coach Rob guy is part of. 

Few years back there was a rumor that TM would sell out on the Moto-part. This to Ducati, because they on their part where sick to work with Aprilia for their Moto3 program. TM has a great moto3 (needs development because its only fit for national levels but the basic is there). TM has great motocross, supermoto, flat track ... bikes and their frame combined with KYB/Ohlins are a dream to ride with. But that rumor died out, also because TM is building a new headquarter if I'm not mistaken (or someone else is already investing in TM under the radar and is building a new "bike" headquarter).

Because make those TM bikes red (they have been pink before so that won't be a huge difference haha) and use their R&D on your Ducati Dakar bike and Ducati adventure bikes and you have a very strong base to start with. Because we all know that creating a bike from nothing is not always as easy: BWM Motocross/Enduro bike stayed in the development (saw Smets ride it a few times but that was that). The Aprilia twin was great idea but the bike was little bit to heavy. On the other side I asked high profile riders how the team was and they always said the same: it was the most professional team in the paddock and the frame was pretty good too.

Racing wise if you give some bikes to a good team the TM's could become world champ. But if the team gets run by the HQ, they are pretty cheap. For example they wanted Tanel Leok and Shaun Simpson to ride two identical set-ups because experimenting costs money.

More info: The new headquarter from TM is only used for the karts-engines. Since 2020 they are trying to sell out on the motorcycle department. The development isn't really the biggest priority at the moment... 

It does seem like a Ducati could take the TM platform which already has a decent R&D behind it and put some $$ in it and refine to race ready under their own branding.

As for Webb, lots of rumors about Star, but I'd like to see him at Beta.

What’s the deal with Beta having a US race team? It’s been pretty quiet lately.

From what I've gathered from various Podcasts and a (tiny) bit of inside knowledge with some Beta Off Road racers is that the bike is barely up to snuff for MXGP and they don't feel they could be competitive at all in SX yet.

Flame away if I'm wrong but that's what I've gathered.

I'm not surprised at that take...  But they need laps on a true US spec SX track to develop it.  Hiding from it won't get them any closer.

i grew up next to Ducati in 1977,78 they had italian mx xhampion Italo Forni great rider and friend racing and developing the Ducati 125 and 250 only problem ing.Taglioni hated two strokes and motocorss Ducati also sold an enduro model the six days

Italo Forni Italian Champ

Money will not be an obstacle here if they pull the trigger.  The VW Group owns Ducati.

The VW Group includes Audi, Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini and more.

People say the same thing about Suzuki. These big multinationals don't just waste money and because they have the cash doesn't mean they'll spend it on a moto project as the world economy slows. 

You are correct...which is why I said "if they pull the trigger..."

My take is that MX/SX is too much a niche sport, especially when compared to MotoGP, for them to take the plunge.  But, as we all have seen through the years, sometimes logic and reason leave the building when these calls get made and corporate egos prevail.

I don't get the talk of Ducati buying TM, to me that's ludicrous. As a manufacturer Ducati has an ego (like Ferrari) and they are not going to go hat in hand begging a boutique manufacturer for technology. "Please sir may I have some more." They are much more likely to come into the paddock helicoptering the corporate wang saying, "Daddy's here." 

an MX offering for Ducati would mean a whole new customer base for the brand, dealers would love it.  Bigger question should be, can Ducati's logistics and supply chain keep up with it?  

How anyone can believe a word that these clickbait YouTube Morans say is beyond me....

Ask BMW for example, they could have used some R&D from a niche mx builder.

Doh!!!!!!!

I hate when someone checkmates themselves. BMW never went that serious into moto, it was a half hearted attempt at best. They did go way outside their niche and decide to make sportbikes and they came out with a hella impressive superbike. 

Absolutely, BMW can make some serious HP with a 4 stroke.

They never went serious into moto... That is weird because; They paid a 5-time world champion decent money, raced in World Championship Enduro and not on a low key because they signed multiple world champion David Knight. But he left because the bike wasn't that great. At the end of the day they stopped the project, sold Husqvarna (that was also theirs back than) because you can't copy a rubbish Italian Thumper (look this BMW and the 2008 Husqvarna) and hope it turns out great because their is a BMW badge on. Luckily they weren't too deep and serious in moto, they only got a factory Enduro BMW team... (Checkmate?)