if you owned a Team would you hire Broc Hepler ?

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BobbyM 11/4/2009 6:21pm
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500guy wrote:
I would but I wouldn't give him anything but a performance based deal.

I wouldn't give him any salary ,
BobbyM wrote:
fuck no, too much to get together for possibly one or two races. don't forget all the money it takes just to get to the 1st...
fuck no, too much to get together for possibly one or two races. don't forget all the money it takes just to get to the 1st few races.
neysbo wrote:
yeah and it won't be long and alessi will be another Hepler
and it won't be much longer till yer sucking some pecker too....right babydoll?
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500guy wrote:
I would but I wouldn't give him anything but a performance based deal.

I wouldn't give him any salary ,
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500guy wrote:
I would but I wouldn't give him anything but a performance based deal.

I wouldn't give him any salary ,
You pretty much summed it up right here, i would give him a decent salary though, just nothing over the top, and put most of the money into performance based bonuses. I truly believe once he stays healthy, he is a winner and deserves a top ride for sure, no brainer here.
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If he was released by his medical team to do so, in a minute, and I'd get him cheap and put him on the best equipment...
If he was released by his medical team to do so, in a minute, and I'd get him cheap and put him on the best equipment with the best trainer that I could afford. (you didn't say my team had a limited budget).

He's a sleeper if you keep him off his head.
I think he is a sleeper if he is one his head too Laughing

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hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality.

injuries in mx suck...reality in mx sucks.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid...
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid, bears the cost of the insurance and you, the team, get that reimbursed if he misses "X" races.


Given how much people grouse about riders not being paid enough for what they do, it seems crazy to me that people want to squeeze riders who legitimately get hurt and aren't screw offs. Getting hurt is part of the business. Choosing to have a guy lay it out for you is asking him to risk getting hurt. Telling him "I'll only pay you if you don't get hurt laying it out for me" seems exactly the position we don't want to put riders in, unless we believe they're just commodities to get used up and tossed in the trash.
Hmm, you could be an agent, haha. BTW i clicked on your link, nice photors, really capture the colors nicely man.
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500guy wrote:
I would but I wouldn't give him anything but a performance based deal.

I wouldn't give him any salary ,
That's what I was going to say. I might put him on a 250F as well, at least for SX.


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If I owned a team I'd hire Broc.

1. I'm a team owner, I have $ bucks. I'm not real bright, I'm in Motocross, ferchrisakes.

2. I have a guy that CAN podium and make solid advertisements.

3. He has a fan base.

4. He's from that town where the groundhog rises from the dead. Annually.

5. He's about as country-grounded-American-kid-next-door as they come.

6. I'm a team owner, not a rocket surgeon.

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BobbyM wrote:
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality. injuries in mx suck...reality in mx...
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality.

injuries in mx suck...reality in mx sucks.
WTF do you know anyhow? Wink
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BobbyM wrote:
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality. injuries in mx suck...reality in mx...
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality.

injuries in mx suck...reality in mx sucks.
I thought he's already had a decently successful mx career? a lot more than most. but that's just me.
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BobbyM wrote:
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality. injuries in mx suck...reality in mx...
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality.

injuries in mx suck...reality in mx sucks.
You seem to forget he would have won both titles his rookie year if not for the fastest man in the world...
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BobbyM 11/4/2009 7:35pm
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BobbyM wrote:
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality. injuries in mx suck...reality in mx...
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality.

injuries in mx suck...reality in mx sucks.
shaner708 wrote:
You seem to forget he would have won both titles his rookie year if not for the fastest man in the world...
i'd be world champ if....
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500guy wrote:
I would but I wouldn't give him anything but a performance based deal.

I wouldn't give him any salary ,
the_wood109 wrote:
Would you donate to his recovery fund if he were to get seriously injured? Performanced based doesn't work in this sport because the risk is still...
Would you donate to his recovery fund if he were to get seriously injured? Performanced based doesn't work in this sport because the risk is still the same for the rider.
Performance base is the future. IT and Milsaps are great examples on why it is needed. Those 2 dudes have stolen alot of money in the last 4 yrs.
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hammertime 11/5/2009 2:54am
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freak talent.

remember when he came off the slab and won 3 straight nats over villy? even this year in sx....he was the next guy to reed, bubbs, and villy when he could perform?

he's the eric lindros of mx.
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A GP team should hire him.
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500guy wrote:
I would but I wouldn't give him anything but a performance based deal.

I wouldn't give him any salary ,
the_wood109 wrote:
Would you donate to his recovery fund if he were to get seriously injured? Performanced based doesn't work in this sport because the risk is still...
Would you donate to his recovery fund if he were to get seriously injured? Performanced based doesn't work in this sport because the risk is still the same for the rider.
RMZ819 wrote:
Performance base is the future. IT and Milsaps are great examples on why it is needed. Those 2 dudes have stolen alot of money in the...
Performance base is the future. IT and Milsaps are great examples on why it is needed. Those 2 dudes have stolen alot of money in the last 4 yrs.
I disagree with that, especially if the sport grows. However, I should have written my statement more carefully because I don't know the ins and outs of riders contracts.


If a team figures they get a rider as a secondary rider or one they don't expect to do well, its seems like it would be much harder to budget for if the rider catches fire and starts really doing well. If you get a team full of riders that are under performance based contracts, and everyone starts winning, they could quickly bring the team over budget.


Lastly........."stolen?!?".....really? While there might be some credibility to the idea that they may have been overpaid for being injured, that whole statement alludes to the riders getting hurt on purpose, which is absurd.
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i think he should race off road, like GNCC's. I think he would do good at it and he has expressed interest in it anyways.
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It's a toss up between him and J-Law.........They would both start the same amount of races!

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nice kid, hard worker. just hasn't been able to stay healthy for the complete season.
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In my opinion, here's the problem with guys like Broc (who I know and like, by the way). No, he hasn't lived up to his potential, but he's already a millionaire! Some of you are not getting this, but Broc has been making mad loot for a few years, lives at home with his parents still, and is extremely smart. His investments may have taken a hit, like everyone else's, but he's still doing just fine. That's why he can make comments like, "I'll come back if the money is right", and mean it! Truthfully, he doesn't need to risk his life anymore to race a motorcycle, and told me that months ago. That being said, I still do think he has potential to do well if he stays healthy (and I know that's a big IF), but I wouldn't pay him anything, either. Straight performance based. Part of the reason why the sport is in bad shape now is that too many young kids got the cash up front based on potential, instead of results. Pay the rookies and youngsters minimally, and give them bonuses if they produce. Then, and only then, should they earn a big time contract.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid...
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid, bears the cost of the insurance and you, the team, get that reimbursed if he misses "X" races.


Given how much people grouse about riders not being paid enough for what they do, it seems crazy to me that people want to squeeze riders who legitimately get hurt and aren't screw offs. Getting hurt is part of the business. Choosing to have a guy lay it out for you is asking him to risk getting hurt. Telling him "I'll only pay you if you don't get hurt laying it out for me" seems exactly the position we don't want to put riders in, unless we believe they're just commodities to get used up and tossed in the trash.
Michael nailed it.

Yes, I would hire him. He is one of the few riders that has the ability to win a race.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid...
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid, bears the cost of the insurance and you, the team, get that reimbursed if he misses "X" races.


Given how much people grouse about riders not being paid enough for what they do, it seems crazy to me that people want to squeeze riders who legitimately get hurt and aren't screw offs. Getting hurt is part of the business. Choosing to have a guy lay it out for you is asking him to risk getting hurt. Telling him "I'll only pay you if you don't get hurt laying it out for me" seems exactly the position we don't want to put riders in, unless we believe they're just commodities to get used up and tossed in the trash.
agreed.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid...
Yes. Hire him, have him pay to insure the contract, reimburse it at the end of the season if he makes it through. He gets paid, bears the cost of the insurance and you, the team, get that reimbursed if he misses "X" races.


Given how much people grouse about riders not being paid enough for what they do, it seems crazy to me that people want to squeeze riders who legitimately get hurt and aren't screw offs. Getting hurt is part of the business. Choosing to have a guy lay it out for you is asking him to risk getting hurt. Telling him "I'll only pay you if you don't get hurt laying it out for me" seems exactly the position we don't want to put riders in, unless we believe they're just commodities to get used up and tossed in the trash.
Holigan wrote:
Michael nailed it.

Yes, I would hire him. He is one of the few riders that has the ability to win a race.
I'm with the Michael's...
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adamdf 11/5/2009 7:23am
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BobbyM wrote:
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality. injuries in mx suck...reality in mx...
hepler will never amount to shit in mx...if he would have he would have already. great potential...not so great reality.

injuries in mx suck...reality in mx sucks.
shaner708 wrote:
You seem to forget he would have won both titles his rookie year if not for the fastest man in the world...
BobbyM wrote:
i'd be world champ if....
I disagree with you Bobby, that is a bit harsh, if Hepler wont amount to anything, then im pretty sure half the other riders wont amount to anything either. Don't write hepler off just yet. Look at Josh Grant, noone knew what he would do this last year with JGR and became the best deal every other team and fan seemed to over look. I think Broc has the same potential.
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His story from 06 to 09 is basically the same as Reynards from 96-99.
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I actually had that opportunity once. I passed.

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shaner708 wrote:
You seem to forget he would have won both titles his rookie year if not for the fastest man in the world...
BobbyM wrote:
i'd be world champ if....
adamdf wrote:
I disagree with you Bobby, that is a bit harsh, if Hepler wont amount to anything, then im pretty sure half the other riders wont amount...
I disagree with you Bobby, that is a bit harsh, if Hepler wont amount to anything, then im pretty sure half the other riders wont amount to anything either. Don't write hepler off just yet. Look at Josh Grant, noone knew what he would do this last year with JGR and became the best deal every other team and fan seemed to over look. I think Broc has the same potential.
I personally think Broc has more potential then JG.

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