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Read below. People get hurt on two wheels as well, right? We're next!



Government eyes off-road recreational vehicles




AP – This undated handout photo provided by the Recreational Off-Highway Vehicle Association shows an off-road …

By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer – Wed Oct 21, 2:56 pm ET

WASHINGTON – After scores of deaths, the U.S. government government is taking a closer look at off-road recreational vehicles, known as ROVs.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission voted Wednesday to write mandatory rules to regulate the four-wheel vehicles, after more than 100 deaths since 2003. Riders have suffered dozens of injuries, too — some leading to amputations.

ROVs, also called side-by-sides, are two-passenger motorized vehicles designed for drivers 16 years and older. They resemble a cross between a rugged-looking golf cart and a miniature-Jeep, and have a roll cage — metal bars framing the cab.

The industry proposed voluntary regulations for side-by-sides, but comission staffers said they fell short. Agency staff have expressed concern about the vehicles and rollover risks.

The commission will solicit comments from industry, consumer advocates and others as it writes the rules. This is the beginning of a process that could take many months, even years.

ROVs first appeared on the market in the late 1990s. Since 2003, CPSC says 116 people have died, including young children, and more than 150 have been injured. Injuries have involved crushing fractures to legs, feet and arms and some riders have lost limbs.

Safety advocates say the commission's vote puts the industry on notice.
"This is an instance where the industry has not been responding quickly and effectively enough to the well-documented hazards caused by these products," said Rachel Weintraub, director of product safety and senior counsel for the Consumer Federation of America.

ROV makers, however, insist the vehicles are safe.

"We know the vehicles are safe when used responsibly," the Recreational Off-Highway Vehicle Association said in a statement. "We must emphasize the importance of consumers making the right choices when driving an ROV."
Former agency chief, Nancy Nord, first directed CPSC staff to investigate the vehicles and deaths a year ago.

In March, Yamaha Motor Corp. USA recalled more than 100,000 of its Rhino off-highway recreational vehicles for repairs after two models were linked to 46 deaths in the past six years. In many cases, riders were not wearing seat belts, the commission said. And in a number of incidents, rollovers happened on level ground at relatively slow speeds, the agency said.

ROVs can reach top speeds of more than 35 miles (56 kilometers) an hour. Industry officials declined to say exactly how fast they can go, but Yamaha put the maximum speed for its ROVs at 40 miles (65 kilometers) an hour.

Currently, there are mandatory restrictions for ATVs, such as speed limits for youth models. But there are no standards, voluntary or otherwise, for the side-by-sides, which have the roll cage and a different steering system.

About 140,000 ROVs were sold last year in the United States.
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10/23/2009 9:05am
"The Consumer Product Safety Commission" obviously a bunch of overpaid government employees, looking to justify their own existance.........
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10/23/2009 9:15am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2009 9:19am
I saw some kids last week riding one with no helmet over some rough terrain, first thing I thought was, Man, if they crash..What up tb?..
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"We know the vehicles are safe when used responsibly,"



That statement is the whole problem. They market these things to the backwoods rednecky types, goofy ass twenty somethings, keepinig up with the Jones'stypes and sell them to anyone with a pulse, money or a glimmer of credit. Am I wrong in thinking at least half of the Rhino's and Razors sold were to irresponsible people? And those are the first people to sue. Anyone who couldn't see this coming is f'n blind. The idiots that buy these things see four wheels and a roll bar and the first thing in their head is "gee this looks much safer than one of them thar dirt sickles". And the next thing you know is it is sitting on my frame rack with a wadded up frame because their nine year old grandson wrecked it into a tree. True story. The only saving grace for the motocrosser is that EVERYBODY already knows those are dangerous. Or at least they think so.
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For years now, my daytime nightmare has been that government would investigate motocross regarding safety of minors. We can all say, "well, kids get hurt doing all kinds of stuff", but I think the stats wouldn't be in our favor as far as serious injuries per hour spent in an activity. And if a safety group went to the typical race track and saw all the things you can hit, and the angles you'd hit them at; and if they watched a typical race day, they'd say that parents who let their children race are nuts. I've been saying for years that our sport has to police itself or someone else would police it.

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This has been going on for years now. At the races, everyone drives ROVs packed with tires and everything else, and because of this stuff, the Honda crew always has to wear helmets, put up the window nets, etc., because of liability.
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PaleBlue wrote:
"The Consumer Product Safety Commission" obviously a bunch of overpaid government employees, looking to justify their own existance.........
X2. Is there any other kind of gubment employee?

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For years now, my daytime nightmare has been that government would investigate motocross regarding safety of minors. We can all say, "well, kids get hurt doing...
For years now, my daytime nightmare has been that government would investigate motocross regarding safety of minors. We can all say, "well, kids get hurt doing all kinds of stuff", but I think the stats wouldn't be in our favor as far as serious injuries per hour spent in an activity. And if a safety group went to the typical race track and saw all the things you can hit, and the angles you'd hit them at; and if they watched a typical race day, they'd say that parents who let their children race are nuts. I've been saying for years that our sport has to police itself or someone else would police it.
Bingo-- youth motocross has been flying way, way under the radar.
Can you open a swimming pool and charge people without a lifeguard ? can you run organized youth sports in almost any other field that involves high levels of danger with zero mandated safety regulations?
Not saying I want track safety inspections or something, but the current Wild West mentality will not survive forever.

I know a guy whose doctor reported him to child welfare groups and tried to intervene because he kept letting/making his kid race and rebreaking his arm over and over again.

And I have totally lost any sympathy for ATV riders. They are their own worst enemy, sorry. The vast majority of them don't wear helmets and treat ownership of an ATV as a license to ride wherever they want. They also do their bet to flaunt the age restrictions. Sorry if that ticks any responsible users off- but I just don't see it in practice.

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10/23/2009 11:20am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:54am
Quick story: 2 years ago I'm at a high school graduation party for my buddy's son. One of the kids there has just flown in from the Czech Republic doesn't speak english and sees the Rhyno. He hops on with his female cousin who is 16 or 17, takes some high speed runs weaving back and forth across a flat grassed area, and before we can go stop him, he tips it over in slow motion. The girl sticks her foot out as a natural reaction, and the roll bar separates the entire front half of her foot from the back half. Breaks every bone, extends it about three inches, rips the flesh almost completely in two and then rolls it under the other half like a sub sandwich.

She's had about 20 operations, but her foot is done.

IMO this is a common occurrence. Horrible skills combined with a machine that requires some respect, and will bite you very badly if you don't give it any.

It was a very sad day.

Guess what? The dad is suing Yamaha.



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Tbteam wrote:
Quick story: 2 years ago I'm at a high school graduation party for my buddy's son. One of the kids there has just flown in from...
Quick story: 2 years ago I'm at a high school graduation party for my buddy's son. One of the kids there has just flown in from the Czech Republic doesn't speak english and sees the Rhyno. He hops on with his female cousin who is 16 or 17, takes some high speed runs weaving back and forth across a flat grassed area, and before we can go stop him, he tips it over in slow motion. The girl sticks her foot out as a natural reaction, and the roll bar separates the entire front half of her foot from the back half. Breaks every bone, extends it about three inches, rips the flesh almost completely in two and then rolls it under the other half like a sub sandwich.

She's had about 20 operations, but her foot is done.

IMO this is a common occurrence. Horrible skills combined with a machine that requires some respect, and will bite you very badly if you don't give it any.

It was a very sad day.

Guess what? The dad is suing Yamaha.



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They way I see it is we are raised in a cloak of protection in so many areas of life that people can't handle operating machinery that can hurt them if they are idiots. They think everything is like Disneyland and if they get hurt it must be the fault of the machine.

Modern society is all about protecting kids from every imaginable harm-- the result is they expect to be protected from any consequences of their actions- like ripping around in a Rhino with a passenger.

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Read below. People get hurt on two wheels as well, right? We're next! Government eyes off-road recreational vehicles AP – This undated handout photo provided by...
Read below. People get hurt on two wheels as well, right? We're next!



Government eyes off-road recreational vehicles




AP – This undated handout photo provided by the Recreational Off-Highway Vehicle Association shows an off-road …

By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer – Wed Oct 21, 2:56 pm ET

WASHINGTON – After scores of deaths, the U.S. government government is taking a closer look at off-road recreational vehicles, known as ROVs.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission voted Wednesday to write mandatory rules to regulate the four-wheel vehicles, after more than 100 deaths since 2003. Riders have suffered dozens of injuries, too — some leading to amputations.

ROVs, also called side-by-sides, are two-passenger motorized vehicles designed for drivers 16 years and older. They resemble a cross between a rugged-looking golf cart and a miniature-Jeep, and have a roll cage — metal bars framing the cab.

The industry proposed voluntary regulations for side-by-sides, but comission staffers said they fell short. Agency staff have expressed concern about the vehicles and rollover risks.

The commission will solicit comments from industry, consumer advocates and others as it writes the rules. This is the beginning of a process that could take many months, even years.

ROVs first appeared on the market in the late 1990s. Since 2003, CPSC says 116 people have died, including young children, and more than 150 have been injured. Injuries have involved crushing fractures to legs, feet and arms and some riders have lost limbs.

Safety advocates say the commission's vote puts the industry on notice.
"This is an instance where the industry has not been responding quickly and effectively enough to the well-documented hazards caused by these products," said Rachel Weintraub, director of product safety and senior counsel for the Consumer Federation of America.

ROV makers, however, insist the vehicles are safe.

"We know the vehicles are safe when used responsibly," the Recreational Off-Highway Vehicle Association said in a statement. "We must emphasize the importance of consumers making the right choices when driving an ROV."
Former agency chief, Nancy Nord, first directed CPSC staff to investigate the vehicles and deaths a year ago.

In March, Yamaha Motor Corp. USA recalled more than 100,000 of its Rhino off-highway recreational vehicles for repairs after two models were linked to 46 deaths in the past six years. In many cases, riders were not wearing seat belts, the commission said. And in a number of incidents, rollovers happened on level ground at relatively slow speeds, the agency said.

ROVs can reach top speeds of more than 35 miles (56 kilometers) an hour. Industry officials declined to say exactly how fast they can go, but Yamaha put the maximum speed for its ROVs at 40 miles (65 kilometers) an hour.

Currently, there are mandatory restrictions for ATVs, such as speed limits for youth models. But there are no standards, voluntary or otherwise, for the side-by-sides, which have the roll cage and a different steering system.

About 140,000 ROVs were sold last year in the United States.
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fuckers are filled to the teeth with lead too i bet!!
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Oh shit...........did I just call TBT a backwoods rednecky twenty something type with a only a glimmer of credit? LOL, sorry about that Mark! But you could take the twenty something as a compliment!!Laughing

One good thing about the Rhino lawsuits is that the first case that went before a jury was just a few miles away here in Southeast Texas a couple months ago. And Yamaha got the nod on that one. Hopefully it set some sort of precedent for all the rest that follow.
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Most of the moron's I see riding these in the CA desert at Thanksgiving and New Years need to be thinned out. Of course this is JMHO
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10/23/2009 11:58am
Yep.

Did you ever notice how many ROV drivers are already half crocked on cheap beer when they back them out of the trailer?

It's not just them, either.

I don't go to the desert on big holidays any more.

Too dangerous.
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Yep. Did you ever notice how many ROV drivers are already half crocked on cheap beer when they back them out of the trailer? It's not...
Yep.

Did you ever notice how many ROV drivers are already half crocked on cheap beer when they back them out of the trailer?

It's not just them, either.

I don't go to the desert on big holidays any more.

Too dangerous.
When I want to go riding any ORV I don't go anywhere on a holiday unless its private or in the middle of the desert, NJ doesn't have deserts so I'm already half screwed lol.

American is too Idoit Proof and the idoits still aren't satisfied. Maybe we didn't have this problem before because the idoits killed themselves off? hahah
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10/23/2009 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:54am
Just look back at the three wheelers when they first came out...all the injurys and lawsuits lead to thier demise as well..now you see the same kind of thing with inexperienced, untrained "drivers" a lot of which are younger kids and other assorted clueless individuals who havent the foggiest how to handle difficult situations and rough terrain. Some learn, some dont but sadly the ones that wind up injured are the ones you hear about and the whole community winds up being painted with the same brush and yes this reflects in the eyes of the non riding public ( and govenment and insurance company and health care providers) as including dirtbikers and anyone on off-road recreational vehicles. Then you get the "something must be done!" mentality and things turn ugly for the responsible and more knowledgable users pretty quick through no fault of their own.
I se a lot of these used now on construction job sites and mostly that industry police's thier use on site via the contractors safety program and surely theres a wide use out there in the agricultural and other uses such as grounds maintenence and the like that are semi policed in house but as far as the recreational side its hard to say who or what body will step in and attempt regulation.
Probably the "fix" you'll see other than an outright ban will be some type of minimum age requirements for operators and maybe required training course's but who will pay for and administer those and how effective would that ultimately be?
Seems that personal responsiblilty and accountability for an individuals own actions are relics of the past as long as there are dollars to be made in the courtroom .
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10/23/2009 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:54am
I could see a "drivers test" for racing MX or ATVs being put into action, but how do you pass or fail someone? We have yet to invent a politically correct Moron Test.


On another note a relative of mine owns a driving school which you need to attend 6 hours of in NJ to get your license, there is no pass or fail until you take your 5-10 minute road test which in my area involves parallel parking in a 26' long parking space between 4 cones, a right turn, drive 1000' turn left, drive 500' do a 'K' turn and go back to the starting line. One of the students I heard about had a medical condition where they were mentally slow and they now have a drivers licenese, needless to say we are all that much more likely to get into an accident if that kid screws up and we're around.
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10/23/2009 12:41pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:54am
newmann wrote:
Oh shit...........did I just call TBT a backwoods rednecky twenty something type with a only a glimmer of credit? LOL, sorry about that Mark! But you...
Oh shit...........did I just call TBT a backwoods rednecky twenty something type with a only a glimmer of credit? LOL, sorry about that Mark! But you could take the twenty something as a compliment!!Laughing

One good thing about the Rhino lawsuits is that the first case that went before a jury was just a few miles away here in Southeast Texas a couple months ago. And Yamaha got the nod on that one. Hopefully it set some sort of precedent for all the rest that follow.
Not me, Joe. I was just at a party for a bunch of kids. I don't own one and have never even ridden in one.


I'll say this though... if I was some young kid with no experience and little exposure to these those things would look awfully fun and "safe" to me!
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10/23/2009 12:48pm
Well with that said Tbteam....you need to take a ride in a Razor :D
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The real problem is Darwin's theory of natural selection is all but gone from the world. Stupid is supposed to hurt and you are supposed to learn from it. And if you don't, well you're going to die. As a kid when I did something STUPID and got hurt my dad would ask me "Did it hurt?" followed by "Did you learn anything?" then he would kick me in my ass and tell me not to do it again. The thought never crossed his mind to sue.

Remember there are lawyers and Government agencies out there protecting stupid people and they are allowing them to breed which means millions more stupid people in our futures.

Now I am a NEWB to the site, so feel free to give me a good old STFU. However, I have been used, abused and never been oiled!

P.S. Cygnus, this is Joe from the old IMI days. How are you and the family doing?
10/23/2009 6:11pm
Everything is dangerous if your stupid.
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18 deaths per year, 140,000 sold per year. Seems like pretty low odds to me.
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10/23/2009 7:56pm Edited Date/Time 10/23/2009 7:56pm
I've been on this bandwagon for a few years. You can bet somewhere someone is keeping track of all the serious injuries and deaths in our sport and as soon as the wrong self-righteous person gets a hold of it the shit will hit the fan. Would any court in this country find that the "sport" of "dirt bikes" in general is currently doing a prudent job of policing itself and protecting the participants?
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Did you hear the one about the retard at Glamis?
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A local kid was killed on a Rhino this past spring. His dad bought it that day and he and a friend were riding it (both under 16) no helmets and no seat belts.
Local news and local diner B.S was nothing but "outrage" at the actual machine and nothing about personal reponsibility.
It was horrible that it happened but it was preventable and it wasnt Yamaha's fault.
FWIW I dont think the family sued Yam and i never heard them personally blame the machine........the general uninformed public on the other hand.......
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10/24/2009 6:52am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:55am
In terms of relative danger, it's hard to imagine someone getting upset about a 4 wheeler when any 18 year old with a credit card can go down and buy a Hayabusa. A friend of mine at work said he wanted to give his son a GSXR1000 as a high school graduation present - I asked him what his son was riding now, and he said he's never ridden a motorcycle. I told him to check on the cost of insurance for an 18 year old riding that bike and figure out how long the insurance company thinks it will be on the road before it's totalled, and then subtract about 50% to account for the fact that the young man has never ridden anything, and decide from there. The dad bought him a truck, which was a very good call on his part.

When young people can buy motorcycles that are so fast they can exceed any legal speed limit in second gear and they turn quarter miles in the 9 second range, I don't see why they'd get upset about 4 wheelers.
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if this is to "political" sorry.

but this all will hit the fan once the "government" gets its hands on health care and starts deciding what is a "sport" and what is unnecessary.

my contention is they will shut the whole sport of mx down for children under the age of 16 if they get thier hands on the whole process. We have a state congress lady going to likely submitt that same bill again, if that one would pass, it would make it illegal to ride, race anything (atv, mini bike, etc) under the age of 16.

She is coming back again next year for another stab at it. so lets hope another demcrat from IL don't get thier way.

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Kids get hurt in other sports and nobody is worried about those getting shut down. Motocross is vulnerable because it has had an injury problem for decades now, and it has done basically nothing to decrease that danger. If anything, it's more dangerous now than it was 30 years ago. Add in the fact that kids start riding earlier, and you have a sport that's ripe for regulation.

It wouldn't be that hard for a national organization to offer track safety assessments, rider orientation programs, and basically become a clearing house for safety issues in the sport. In fact, I imagine insurance companies that provide track liability insurance would welcome that and might even reduce rates if a robust safety program was in place for a given track. But, as a sport, we've never addressed it, and one of these days we're going to regret that.

One of these days, we're going to turn on CSPAN and see Senators listening to testimony about children being maimed and killed on motocross tracks, right in front of their parents, and when they ask, "What's been done to improve this situation?", they're going to hear, "Nothing."
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10/24/2009 8:18am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:55am
I believe the first lawsuit that went to a jury (this year?) Yamaha was not found guity. I think that was a big step in "personal responsability" direction. In texas maybe? or the south?

It made the internet in a press release and said it could help set the mark as far as future lawsuits go.

Hard to imagine that it was the first lawsuit that went to a jury but I thinkI am right baout that! haha.

If you break it down there are a lot more dangerous sports out there, like riding in a car.

here is the story!


www.4wheeldrive.about.com/b/2009/08/28/yamaha-wins-rhino-rollover-lawsu…
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They way I see it is we are raised in a cloak of protection in so many areas of life that people can't handle operating machinery...
They way I see it is we are raised in a cloak of protection in so many areas of life that people can't handle operating machinery that can hurt them if they are idiots. They think everything is like Disneyland and if they get hurt it must be the fault of the machine.

Modern society is all about protecting kids from every imaginable harm-- the result is they expect to be protected from any consequences of their actions- like ripping around in a Rhino with a passenger.

You hit it right on the head there.


And I agree with your previous post regarding the irresponsibility of your average ATV'er.

You have to drive a couple miles of gravel road to get to our house. The roads are always carved up with deep doughnuts and fishtails from the local ATV'ers. Then, they are up in arms when all the town tries to ban ATV riding...

It's been a long time since I've let anyone but a very select couple of people ride on our track. While I wasn't at home, one of the guys from down the road stopped by with a couple of his buddies (all on ATV's). He's a likable guy and friendly, but for sure a "dumb redneck type". They ask my wife if they could go ride on the track for a while. She reluctantly agrees, but having been around MX tracks for the last 20 years, she's smart enough to tell them to take a slow lap first to familiarize themselves with the track.

First lap. One of them launches a double and breaks his arm.

To his credit, he did tell the ER people he did it ditch riding.
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The problem with idiot proofing a society is that it only results in creating bigger idiots.

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