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Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 1:21pm

This irks the shit out of me! lol kinda looks like the other โ€œbestโ€ post.

Is Haiden Deegan the best rookie ever? Holy shit! NO, he is not! Well weโ€™ll have to see how the rest of the season goes!๐Ÿ˜

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4/10/2023 1:30pm

They call it Click-Bait for a reason.  They just hooked you!!

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4/10/2023 1:34pm
HS_Hasbeen wrote:

They call it Click-Bait for a reason.  They just hooked you!!

Nope, didnโ€™t even click on it.

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4/10/2023 1:35pm

Looks like another Kooksey media outlet. 

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4/10/2023 1:38pm

Real talk though who is? Stewart 02? RC 97? Villopoto 06?

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4/10/2023 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 1:50pm
TDeath21 wrote:

Real talk though who is? Stewart 02? RC 97? Villopoto 06?

Stew by a very SLIM margin over RC. Very slim. 10/12 wins in outdoors as a rookie is nuts. Both losses were mechanicals. But RC took down Lammy. Stew has the edge though IMO
 

Pastrana is in the mix too, took a week mid season to go win X Games. 

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TDeath21 wrote:

Real talk though who is? Stewart 02? RC 97? Villopoto 06?

Stew by a very SLIM margin over RC. Very slim. 10/12 wins in outdoors as a rookie is nuts. Both losses were mechanicals. But RC took...

Stew by a very SLIM margin over RC. Very slim. 10/12 wins in outdoors as a rookie is nuts. Both losses were mechanicals. But RC took down Lammy. Stew has the edge though IMO
 

Pastrana is in the mix too, took a week mid season to go win X Games. 

Good call on Pastrana. He, RC, and Stewart have almost identical rookie years. Narrowly lost SX, despite being the fastest, then won MX. RC and Stewart a bit more dominant outdoors though.

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4/10/2023 4:46pm

Jett Lawrence is going to be Haiden Deegans Kryptonite, just like Ricky Carmichael was for James Stewart.  Throughout Supercross and Motocross history, there have been great riders with bad timing where in order to be the Man! they had to beat the Man for a Championship, but couldn't.  Jett Lawrence is gonna be the Man! very soon and he's going to have a stranglehold on Supercross and Motocross for an extended period of time, while Haiden will be be fighting everyone else for that second place trophy. 

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4/10/2023 4:51pm

Honourable mention to Reynard who I believe won his first national. 

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4/10/2023 5:33pm

Honorable mention to barcia, dude was an incredible on the 250. 

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4/10/2023 5:52pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 5:54pm
Jett Lawrence is going to be Haiden Deegans Kryptonite, just like Ricky Carmichael was for James Stewart.  Throughout Supercross and Motocross history, there have been great...

Jett Lawrence is going to be Haiden Deegans Kryptonite, just like Ricky Carmichael was for James Stewart.  Throughout Supercross and Motocross history, there have been great riders with bad timing where in order to be the Man! they had to beat the Man for a Championship, but couldn't.  Jett Lawrence is gonna be the Man! very soon and he's going to have a stranglehold on Supercross and Motocross for an extended period of time, while Haiden will be be fighting everyone else for that second place trophy. 

There definitely is something to the coming up at the wrong time phenomenon. Its probably the case for sexton too. It should be perfect timing, the 450 class is about to be wide open with tomac, roczen, webb, anderson, barciaโ€ฆ etc all within the last couple years of their careers. Theres going to be a mass retirement soon. In any other case this would have been sextons time to shine but if eli comes back next year that gums things up because thats jetts rookie season and then after eli retires thats jetts sophomore ride. Sexton has to get it done next year and if not he may have 1 more year but after that its off to the races. 
 

Haidens lucky at least that he wont ever have to race jett in 450s so he has chances to get a few titles. Once he goes 450 though jett will be 4-5 years into his 450 ride and in the prime of his life/career. Eli is on his like 13th 450 season so Jetts gonne be there for a longgg time.

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4/10/2023 5:53pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 5:54pm

Did RV not won MX and SX his first full year?

 

edit. First in MX 3rd in SX W

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4/10/2023 5:58pm

Did RV not won MX and SX his first full year?

 

edit. First in MX 3rd in SX W

Mx yes sx no 

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4/10/2023 6:09pm

Reeds rookie year in sx??

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4/10/2023 8:39pm
fins227 wrote:

Honorable mention to barcia, dude was an incredible on the 250. 

Yes, certainly one of the better 250 riders.

4/10/2023 8:55pm

Even outside of the royalty like Stew and RC, Canard won a Sx title and Dunge won several races in their rookie Sx seasons.  

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4/10/2023 9:04pm

People forget about Ernie too

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4/10/2023 9:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 9:09pm
decano51 wrote:

Reeds rookie year in sx??

Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly dethroned the GOAT as a 250/450 rookie (won the first round).

To put that into perspective, imagine any international rider coming in now and blowing a regional championship out of the water and following that up with winning more races than Tomac?

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4/10/2023 9:30pm

Lol... Deegan has shown some real talent.  But wouldn't even begin to put him amongst the best rookies ever.  Not going to bother to even read due to the headline.  

A number of rookies going all the way back to Marty Smith and Bob Hannah won the 125MX titles their first year, and winning against the big boys in the 250SX as there were no regional 125 titles yet.  Heck, Hannah won 250SX title his second year.  Lechien won a 250SX, the premier class, his rookie season.  Didn't Bradshaw also win the 125SX title his rookie season. Lots of folks with more early success not even mentioned yet.

To say nothing of all the more recent riders already mentioned.  Kid has got talent, more than many rookies, and looking forward to watching him race for years to come.  Hope all the hype doesn't handicap him like Alessi.  Bottom line, a long ways to go before being mentioned amongst the greats or best ever rookies yet.  At least from this longtime fan's view.  .  

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4/10/2023 10:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 10:14pm

James Stewart had the best rookie season so far!

In 2002 he won his second race at 16 years old. He won 10 of the 12 races (engine seized at Southwick) and got his first outdoor championship.

 

PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- It should come as no surprise that James Stewart Jr., is winner of the 2002 AMA Motocross/Supercross Rookie of the Year. Stewart, 16, from Haines City, Fla., recently completed the most impressive season ever from a motocross rookie by dominating the AMA Chevy Trucks 125 U.S. Motocross Championship. He also finished second in AMA West Region 125 Supercross earlier this season and was the winner of the prestigious Dave Coombs Sr. East/West Supercross Shootout in Las Vegas in May. Stewart rode for Team Chevy Trucks Kawasaki.

 

As far as Deegan goes, I like the dude but he has stiff competition in the outdoors and its unlikely he will get a win this year. His day will come though. 

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4/10/2023 10:19pm
decano51 wrote:

Reeds rookie year in sx??

CPR wrote:
Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly...

Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly dethroned the GOAT as a 250/450 rookie (won the first round).

To put that into perspective, imagine any international rider coming in now and blowing a regional championship out of the water and following that up with winning more races than Tomac?

I can only imagine that Aussie SX tracks probably weren't anything like they are now, so he probably won that title with very little real SX experience, too.

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4/10/2023 10:34pm Edited Date/Time 4/10/2023 10:37pm
decano51 wrote:

Reeds rookie year in sx??

CPR wrote:
Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly...

Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly dethroned the GOAT as a 250/450 rookie (won the first round).

To put that into perspective, imagine any international rider coming in now and blowing a regional championship out of the water and following that up with winning more races than Tomac?

Sully wrote:

I can only imagine that Aussie SX tracks probably weren't anything like they are now, so he probably won that title with very little real SX experience, too.

Yep Aussie SX tracks were either the equivalent of arenacross, or dusty, hastily thrown together tracks in speedways and show grounds, complete with hay bales and tabletops built over truck trailers and shipping containers. Nothing like AMA tracks.

Which makes those feats even more remarkable. Then add in the fact that the first East round, that Reed won, was his first ever race on a 250f, which of course he hated ๐Ÿ˜‚

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CPR wrote:
Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly...

Reed came in as an outsider, blitzed the East title in his rookie SX season (won the first round) and then the very next year nearly dethroned the GOAT as a 250/450 rookie (won the first round).

To put that into perspective, imagine any international rider coming in now and blowing a regional championship out of the water and following that up with winning more races than Tomac?

Sully wrote:

I can only imagine that Aussie SX tracks probably weren't anything like they are now, so he probably won that title with very little real SX experience, too.

CPR wrote:
Yep Aussie SX tracks were either the equivalent of arenacross, or dusty, hastily thrown together tracks in speedways and show grounds, complete with hay bales and...

Yep Aussie SX tracks were either the equivalent of arenacross, or dusty, hastily thrown together tracks in speedways and show grounds, complete with hay bales and tabletops built over truck trailers and shipping containers. Nothing like AMA tracks.

Which makes those feats even more remarkable. Then add in the fact that the first East round, that Reed won, was his first ever race on a 250f, which of course he hated ๐Ÿ˜‚

reeds rookie seasons in supercross with both 125 & 250 are under rated... and makes it crazier he only raced the class 1 year. And no one really knew who he was other than the aussies prior

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4/10/2023 11:14pm

AC was having a good run until his shoulder came out. Would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he had stayed healthy.

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AC was having a good run until his shoulder came out. Would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he had stayed...

AC was having a good run until his shoulder came out. Would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he had stayed healthy.

i would say the same career path as Jett is currently on

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AC was having a good run until his shoulder came out. Would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he had stayed...

AC was having a good run until his shoulder came out. Would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he had stayed healthy.

decano51 wrote:

i would say the same career path as Jett is currently on

He crashes to much to be on that path. Even when he was on 250s. And I don't think u can blame that in his initial shoulder injury.

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4/11/2023 2:20am

When the 1989 AMA Supercross Series kicked off in California, Damon Bradshaw was only 16 years old. A minicycle prodigy out of North Carolina, Bradshaw had been groomed by Yamaha to follow in the footsteps of other eighties wunderkinds like Rick Johnson and Ron Lechien. They went straight to the big leagues, coming along before a 125 class existed in AMA Supercross. Bradshaw was slated to ride the 125 East Region in his rookie year, which started several weeks after the series began out west, so he asked his Yamaha bosses if he could enter the 250 class to learn the ropes of AMA Supercross before dropping back down to the 125. After all, he had already won the off-season Osaka Supercross in Japan the previous November over the likes of Johnson and Lechien. Yamaha okayed him to line up for the Anaheim opener on a YZ250, only to see him crash out of his heat race on a set of triples, injuring his back. After a couple weeks off, the soon-to-be โ€œBeast from the Eastโ€ lined up in the 250 class again at San Diegoโ€™s Jack Murphy Stadium. This time he didnโ€™t crash, and he ended up scoring third in his very first main event, behind Johnson and Honda teammate Jeff Stanton. It was one of the best debuts in AMA Supercross history. To see all of Bradshawโ€™s AMA Supercross results, as well as his Pro Motocross career, visit vault.racerxonline.com

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4/11/2023 2:27am

Easily the best rookie season belongs to Trey, he straight up beat RV for the title in a last race 1v1 matchup. 
 

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Sully wrote:

I can only imagine that Aussie SX tracks probably weren't anything like they are now, so he probably won that title with very little real SX experience, too.

CPR wrote:
Yep Aussie SX tracks were either the equivalent of arenacross, or dusty, hastily thrown together tracks in speedways and show grounds, complete with hay bales and...

Yep Aussie SX tracks were either the equivalent of arenacross, or dusty, hastily thrown together tracks in speedways and show grounds, complete with hay bales and tabletops built over truck trailers and shipping containers. Nothing like AMA tracks.

Which makes those feats even more remarkable. Then add in the fact that the first East round, that Reed won, was his first ever race on a 250f, which of course he hated ๐Ÿ˜‚

decano51 wrote:
reeds rookie seasons in supercross with both 125 & 250 are under rated... and makes it crazier he only raced the class 1 year. And no...

reeds rookie seasons in supercross with both 125 & 250 are under rated... and makes it crazier he only raced the class 1 year. And no one really knew who he was other than the aussies prior

No one in the US knew who Reed was until he turned up at the Paris SX in 2001 on a GP bike, won a race against an all star lineup and took down the King. I think that may have got him noticed ๐Ÿ˜‚

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