Will you be voting for Trump?

TDeath21 wrote:

Never. Worst POTUS we have ever had.

jeffro503 wrote:

Besides Lincoln and possibly Regan.....he was the best ever in my opinion. Had the strongest economy in almost 50 years. But then again , I never...

Besides Lincoln and possibly Regan.....he was the best ever in my opinion. Had the strongest economy in almost 50 years. But then again , I never cared that he hurt some people's feelings, with mean tweets. He could call me names all day long and I wouldn't care.  I only care that I can make a better living than what I have right now. 

TDeath21 wrote:

I will ignore every single other president and just say that Trump has 0 arguments whatsoever over Teddy.

MotofactioN wrote:

Realistically, I think we can all agree that the ideal president would be someone who wasn’t born “rich”, knows what it is like to work hard...

Realistically, I think we can all agree that the ideal president would be someone who wasn’t born “rich”, knows what it is like to work hard for a living, isn’t over the age of 55, and has a solid middle ground point of view on things. America is about freedom. We should all be free to live, love, and do what we want with our bodies and our free time as long as it doesn’t hurt other people. Worship who you want. This is America. Freedom!!!

Any political party that tries to “control” what people do, other than enforce normal functional society laws, can get the hell out.

I do believe I may of been looking at Obama’s administration with some rose tinted glasses, because now that I think back, we were having some societal issues during that time with race/riots ect. I don’t remember it being as bad as it is now and since trump though.

I’m most likely voting independent party because the democratic and republicans both like to get a little too radical these days.

Robgvx wrote:

Quick straw poll…

TDeath21 wrote:

Never. Worst POTUS we have ever had.

jeffro503 wrote:

Besides Lincoln and possibly Regan.....he was the best ever in my opinion. Had the strongest economy in almost 50 years. But then again , I never...

Besides Lincoln and possibly Regan.....he was the best ever in my opinion. Had the strongest economy in almost 50 years. But then again , I never cared that he hurt some people's feelings, with mean tweets. He could call me names all day long and I wouldn't care.  I only care that I can make a better living than what I have right now. 

MotoTribology wrote:

I've always been partial to the idea of eliminating loopholes that allow for legal tax evasion. 

jchek779 wrote:

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?   The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital...

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?

 

The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital into areas where the government cant/won't/lacks competence.

Take away the "loopholes" and you'll see private funds flee to better performing assets.

Play the tape forward and think about how well run government housing will be if they took away tax incentives to owning real estate and rental property, and all that capital went elsewhere.  Public run housing seems to be working well in the "projects" - is that what you'd like next door to your house?

AceDudemeisterX wrote:

Comments about how we wish it was to suit our utopian desires is not what this thread is about. 

MotoTribology wrote:

I've always been partial to the idea of eliminating loopholes that allow for legal tax evasion. 

jchek779 wrote:

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?   The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital...

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?

 

The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital into areas where the government cant/won't/lacks competence.

Take away the "loopholes" and you'll see private funds flee to better performing assets.

Play the tape forward and think about how well run government housing will be if they took away tax incentives to owning real estate and rental property, and all that capital went elsewhere.  Public run housing seems to be working well in the "projects" - is that what you'd like next door to your house?

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

TDeath21 wrote:

Never. Worst POTUS we have ever had.

jeffro503 wrote:

Besides Lincoln and possibly Regan.....he was the best ever in my opinion. Had the strongest economy in almost 50 years. But then again , I never...

Besides Lincoln and possibly Regan.....he was the best ever in my opinion. Had the strongest economy in almost 50 years. But then again , I never cared that he hurt some people's feelings, with mean tweets. He could call me names all day long and I wouldn't care.  I only care that I can make a better living than what I have right now. 

AceDudemeisterX wrote:

He deregulated the rail industry leading to reduced safety and the train crash in East Palestine.    Wait, that was actually Obama. Screw it, just run...

He deregulated the rail industry leading to reduced safety and the train crash in East Palestine. 
 

Wait, that was actually Obama. Screw it, just run with Trump because Trump sucks. 

jchek779 wrote:

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?   The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital...

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?

 

The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital into areas where the government cant/won't/lacks competence.

Take away the "loopholes" and you'll see private funds flee to better performing assets.

Play the tape forward and think about how well run government housing will be if they took away tax incentives to owning real estate and rental property, and all that capital went elsewhere.  Public run housing seems to be working well in the "projects" - is that what you'd like next door to your house?

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

R66 wrote:

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer...

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer like any other business expense. So if you are for raising taxes on corporations, you are for raising the cost of goods you buy. Watch what you ask for, you just might get it. The real problem is a bloated government.

jchek779 wrote:

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?   The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital...

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?

 

The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital into areas where the government cant/won't/lacks competence.

Take away the "loopholes" and you'll see private funds flee to better performing assets.

Play the tape forward and think about how well run government housing will be if they took away tax incentives to owning real estate and rental property, and all that capital went elsewhere.  Public run housing seems to be working well in the "projects" - is that what you'd like next door to your house?

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

R66 wrote:

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer...

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer like any other business expense. So if you are for raising taxes on corporations, you are for raising the cost of goods you buy. Watch what you ask for, you just might get it. The real problem is a bloated government.

TDeath21 wrote:

That’s a common myth. It’s an argument made by billionaires and millionaires to make it sound like they care about you. Let me explain to you...

That’s a common myth. It’s an argument made by billionaires and millionaires to make it sound like they care about you. Let me explain to you what actually happens.

Hypothetical example:

Let’s say the corporate tax rate is 10% and the cost of whatever good Amazon is selling is 30 dollars. Walmart, with the same tax rate, is also selling the same item for 30 dollars. New tax laws are passed and the corporate taxes are raised to 15%. Amazon decides they’re gonna pass those profits onto the consumer and they raise their price of the item to 35 dollars. Walmart holds true at 30. The consumer base that was split between the two now skews much more heavily to Walmart. Walmart would rather sell 100 of the item at 30 dollars than 50 of the item at 35 dollars. These massive corporations are still competing with each other to get your business, which means they’re both not going to raise their prices way up to compensate. Furthermore, that revenue gained from them paying a fair share of taxes can be used for tons of infrastructure projects or whatever else that needs to be done, which itself creates tons of high paying jobs for middle class Americans.

TDeath21 wrote:

That’s a common myth. It’s an argument made by billionaires and millionaires to make it sound like they care about you. Let me explain to you...

That’s a common myth. It’s an argument made by billionaires and millionaires to make it sound like they care about you. Let me explain to you what actually happens.

Hypothetical example:

Let’s say the corporate tax rate is 10% and the cost of whatever good Amazon is selling is 30 dollars. Walmart, with the same tax rate, is also selling the same item for 30 dollars. New tax laws are passed and the corporate taxes are raised to 15%. Amazon decides they’re gonna pass those profits onto the consumer and they raise their price of the item to 35 dollars. Walmart holds true at 30. The consumer base that was split between the two now skews much more heavily to Walmart. Walmart would rather sell 100 of the item at 30 dollars than 50 of the item at 35 dollars. These massive corporations are still competing with each other to get your business, which means they’re both not going to raise their prices way up to compensate. Furthermore, that revenue gained from them paying a fair share of taxes can be used for tons of infrastructure projects or whatever else that needs to be done, which itself creates tons of high paying jobs for middle class Americans.

vet323 wrote:

You need to work this through a couple more times and take another crack at it.

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

R66 wrote:

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer...

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer like any other business expense. So if you are for raising taxes on corporations, you are for raising the cost of goods you buy. Watch what you ask for, you just might get it. The real problem is a bloated government.

MotoTribology wrote:

Yes, I agree. I'm so pleased with how prices have stayed so stable with all the loopholes in place and nothing ever gets more expensive. Record...

Yes, I agree. I'm so pleased with how prices have stayed so stable with all the loopholes in place and nothing ever gets more expensive. Record corporates profits have done wonders to keep pricing down.

MotoTribology wrote:

I've always been partial to the idea of eliminating loopholes that allow for legal tax evasion. 

jchek779 wrote:

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?   The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital...

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?

 

The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital into areas where the government cant/won't/lacks competence.

Take away the "loopholes" and you'll see private funds flee to better performing assets.

Play the tape forward and think about how well run government housing will be if they took away tax incentives to owning real estate and rental property, and all that capital went elsewhere.  Public run housing seems to be working well in the "projects" - is that what you'd like next door to your house?

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

TDeath21 wrote:

I’d love to hear your counter arguments, which is something I get about 1 out of 100 times on this ultra far right conservative site.

TDeath21 wrote:

That’s a common myth. It’s an argument made by billionaires and millionaires to make it sound like they care about you. Let me explain to you...

That’s a common myth. It’s an argument made by billionaires and millionaires to make it sound like they care about you. Let me explain to you what actually happens.

Hypothetical example:

Let’s say the corporate tax rate is 10% and the cost of whatever good Amazon is selling is 30 dollars. Walmart, with the same tax rate, is also selling the same item for 30 dollars. New tax laws are passed and the corporate taxes are raised to 15%. Amazon decides they’re gonna pass those profits onto the consumer and they raise their price of the item to 35 dollars. Walmart holds true at 30. The consumer base that was split between the two now skews much more heavily to Walmart. Walmart would rather sell 100 of the item at 30 dollars than 50 of the item at 35 dollars. These massive corporations are still competing with each other to get your business, which means they’re both not going to raise their prices way up to compensate. Furthermore, that revenue gained from them paying a fair share of taxes can be used for tons of infrastructure projects or whatever else that needs to be done, which itself creates tons of high paying jobs for middle class Americans.

vet323 wrote:

You need to work this through a couple more times and take another crack at it.

TDeath21 wrote:

I’d love to hear your counter arguments, which is something I get about 1 out of 100 times on this ultra far right conservative site.

TDeath21 wrote:

I’d love to hear your counter arguments, which is something I get about 1 out of 100 times on this ultra far right conservative site.

LOOnatic wrote:

You're funny. So if  the collective isn't pro Biden and "we" point out flaws in what his administration is doing then we must be Super Ultra...

You're funny.

So if  the collective isn't pro Biden and "we" point out flaws in what his administration is doing then we must be Super Ultra Mega Maga far right extremists types?

 

I could throw out some silly labels toward you but that would be.....well , silly.

 

Sincerely, 

Registered independent who voted for Obama and Trump.

 

jchek779 wrote:

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?   The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital...

Do you have any specifics or just vomiting feelings?

 

The tax code is written to do 2 things - generate revenue and incite private capital into areas where the government cant/won't/lacks competence.

Take away the "loopholes" and you'll see private funds flee to better performing assets.

Play the tape forward and think about how well run government housing will be if they took away tax incentives to owning real estate and rental property, and all that capital went elsewhere.  Public run housing seems to be working well in the "projects" - is that what you'd like next door to your house?

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

Titan1 wrote:

What “huge” corporations aren’t paying any taxes? Corporations pay payroll taxes on every penny they pay their employees.  Corporations pay sales tax on anything they buy...

What “huge” corporations aren’t paying any taxes?

Corporations pay payroll taxes on every penny they pay their employees.  Corporations pay sales tax on anything they buy.  Corporations pay property taxes on any real property they own.  And all corporations pay income taxes on any profits.  There are many types of taxes…

So what kind of taxes are you talking about, that “huge” corporations don’t pay?

(I will acknowledge that small businesses can often show a loss on their taxes-after writing off all expenses-to the point they get a refund from the government that could, potentially, be greater than all taxes they pay…but no way a “huge” corporation could do that.)

vet323 wrote:

You need to work this through a couple more times and take another crack at it.

TDeath21 wrote:

I’d love to hear your counter arguments, which is something I get about 1 out of 100 times on this ultra far right conservative site.

vet323 wrote:

My counter argument is that what you posted doesn't make logical sense. You seem to not know the difference between a business expense and profit.

MotoTribology wrote:

100% vomiting feelings. It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by...

100% vomiting feelings.

It just baffles me when I read about how huge corporations pay little to no taxes. Yes I know they they contribute by employment, wages, sales, etc. But still, being able to evade all taxes of profits just blows my mind.

Titan1 wrote:

What “huge” corporations aren’t paying any taxes? Corporations pay payroll taxes on every penny they pay their employees.  Corporations pay sales tax on anything they buy...

What “huge” corporations aren’t paying any taxes?

Corporations pay payroll taxes on every penny they pay their employees.  Corporations pay sales tax on anything they buy.  Corporations pay property taxes on any real property they own.  And all corporations pay income taxes on any profits.  There are many types of taxes…

So what kind of taxes are you talking about, that “huge” corporations don’t pay?

(I will acknowledge that small businesses can often show a loss on their taxes-after writing off all expenses-to the point they get a refund from the government that could, potentially, be greater than all taxes they pay…but no way a “huge” corporation could do that.)

MotoTribology wrote:

 

 

R66 wrote:

Well you almost understand.  You started off with a good explanation of how capitalism works and how competition is good for the consumer.  You lost all...

Well you almost understand.  You started off with a good explanation of how capitalism works and how competition is good for the consumer.  You lost all credibility when you went down the path if thinking government can spend the money more wisely than the private sector.  Leave the money in the private sector, let them grow their businesses with it and create jobs. You are mixed up in thinking corporations are greedy. Government is greedy. 

Titan1 wrote:

Extremism breads extremism.  So many seem to think that extremism is somehow the solution to extremism.  Radical republicans push the radical democrats further left...radical democrats push...

Extremism breads extremism.  So many seem to think that extremism is somehow the solution to extremism. 

Radical republicans push the radical democrats further left...radical democrats push the radical republicans further right.  And the pendulum gains more and more momentum as it swings radically back and forth, left to right.  

There has to be someone in this country who can sell moderation to America...Inspire Americans to accept compromise...help us realize that giving a little here and a little there isn't going to be the end of the country.

If its me...

I'd love to see a republican who would back way off on the social issues.  Stop making abortion and gay marriage the sword they die on, just acknowledge that gays deserve the same rights as everyone else, and start-actively and vocally-working to assure that is the case...

I'd love to see a democrat who would also back way off on social issues...stop making all this transgender, gender fluidity being taught to kids stuff the sword they die on...for consenting legal adults do what you want. 

I'd love to see democrats back way way way off on the green energy.  Stop forcing it down our throats, if its better (more efficient, more affordable, etc. etc.) it will naturally replace fossil fuels no need to spend a trillion dollars to make it happen. 

I'd love to see republicans back off on the taxing the rich...give a little bit.  Raise taxes on the rich. 

I'd love to see Democrats actually acknowledge that the southern boarder is a problem, and work to start fixing it.  Maybe that's a wall? Maybe its immigration reform? Maybe its both? 

I'd love to see republicans back way off on their absolute avoidance of gun control.  There are simple things we can do, without treading on our constitutional rights, that can save lives.  No reason not to do them. 

I'd love to see democrats take a more "USA first" approach to foreign policy and economic policy. 

Anyway...I could go on and on...but the point is, there is a ton of middle ground to be had...but both sides seem unwilling to even step foot in it. 

R66 wrote:

Well you almost understand.  You started off with a good explanation of how capitalism works and how competition is good for the consumer.  You lost all...

Well you almost understand.  You started off with a good explanation of how capitalism works and how competition is good for the consumer.  You lost all credibility when you went down the path if thinking government can spend the money more wisely than the private sector.  Leave the money in the private sector, let them grow their businesses with it and create jobs. You are mixed up in thinking corporations are greedy. Government is greedy. 

TAUTOG wrote:

Corps aren't greedy?     

Corps aren't greedy? 

 

R66 wrote:

Well you almost understand.  You started off with a good explanation of how capitalism works and how competition is good for the consumer.  You lost all...

Well you almost understand.  You started off with a good explanation of how capitalism works and how competition is good for the consumer.  You lost all credibility when you went down the path if thinking government can spend the money more wisely than the private sector.  Leave the money in the private sector, let them grow their businesses with it and create jobs. You are mixed up in thinking corporations are greedy. Government is greedy. 

TAUTOG wrote:

Corps aren't greedy?     

Corps aren't greedy? 

 

R66 wrote:

You are free not to do business with a corporation. With government you do not have a choice.  I am glad to clear that up for...

You are free not to do business with a corporation. With government you do not have a choice.  I am glad to clear that up for you. 

R66 wrote:

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer...

Even if they pay taxes, they don’t really pay taxes. They add it to the cost of goods and just pass it along to the consumer like any other business expense. So if you are for raising taxes on corporations, you are for raising the cost of goods you buy. Watch what you ask for, you just might get it. The real problem is a bloated government.

MotoTribology wrote:

Yes, I agree. I'm so pleased with how prices have stayed so stable with all the loopholes in place and nothing ever gets more expensive. Record...

Yes, I agree. I'm so pleased with how prices have stayed so stable with all the loopholes in place and nothing ever gets more expensive. Record corporates profits have done wonders to keep pricing down.

Titan1 wrote:

Prices going up has nothing to do with corporate tax rates.   its supply issues (government shutting the world down for covid) it’s over supply of...

Prices going up has nothing to do with corporate tax rates.  

its supply issues (government shutting the world down for covid)

it’s over supply of money (governments printing trillions of dollars)

it’s the fed keeping rates artificially low for way to long (a quasi government agency).  
 

So don’t blame corporations for inflation…blame government.  Is it possible for the cause of the problem to also be the solution?

Titan1 wrote:

Extremism breads extremism.  So many seem to think that extremism is somehow the solution to extremism.  Radical republicans push the radical democrats further left...radical democrats push...

Extremism breads extremism.  So many seem to think that extremism is somehow the solution to extremism. 

Radical republicans push the radical democrats further left...radical democrats push the radical republicans further right.  And the pendulum gains more and more momentum as it swings radically back and forth, left to right.  

There has to be someone in this country who can sell moderation to America...Inspire Americans to accept compromise...help us realize that giving a little here and a little there isn't going to be the end of the country.

If its me...

I'd love to see a republican who would back way off on the social issues.  Stop making abortion and gay marriage the sword they die on, just acknowledge that gays deserve the same rights as everyone else, and start-actively and vocally-working to assure that is the case...

I'd love to see a democrat who would also back way off on social issues...stop making all this transgender, gender fluidity being taught to kids stuff the sword they die on...for consenting legal adults do what you want. 

I'd love to see democrats back way way way off on the green energy.  Stop forcing it down our throats, if its better (more efficient, more affordable, etc. etc.) it will naturally replace fossil fuels no need to spend a trillion dollars to make it happen. 

I'd love to see republicans back off on the taxing the rich...give a little bit.  Raise taxes on the rich. 

I'd love to see Democrats actually acknowledge that the southern boarder is a problem, and work to start fixing it.  Maybe that's a wall? Maybe its immigration reform? Maybe its both? 

I'd love to see republicans back way off on their absolute avoidance of gun control.  There are simple things we can do, without treading on our constitutional rights, that can save lives.  No reason not to do them. 

I'd love to see democrats take a more "USA first" approach to foreign policy and economic policy. 

Anyway...I could go on and on...but the point is, there is a ton of middle ground to be had...but both sides seem unwilling to even step foot in it. 

AceDudemeisterX wrote:

Since you won’t do any of the work I’ll do it for you. There are 336 million Americans. It appears that Republicans can’t be dating all...

Since you won’t do any of the work I’ll do it for you. There are 336 million Americans. It appears that Republicans can’t be dating all of these people in order to commit violence against them, and the epidemic of rising crimes against them is pretty small. 
 

It appears Republicans may not be committing much if any of the violence against LGTBQ PEOPLE. 
 

From MAR, 2023, with updated and the most complete FBI hate crimes reporting to date the following statistics are reported for 2021:

Victim            Total

Gay (male).        948

LGBT, group †.  521

Transgender.     245 - not even one per day

Lesbian (female) 187 - not even one per day

Gender non-conforming. 97 - not even one per day

Bisexual.                38 - not even one per day

- Victims that aren’t acceptable to care about but provided for reference  

White.                   1,107

Male.                    17

Straight.               13

- What is unknown is how many of the above reports are generated from risky behavior like drugs or sex work  

A 2015 Williams (UCLA) report on intimate partner violence said:

25.2% of gay men experience intimate partner violence

40.4% of lesbians experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime - 8% higher than heterosexual women

54% of transgender and nonbinary people experience intimate partner violence

On average, at least 22 transgender and gender non-conforming people are victims of fatal violence each year. The organization estimates that the violent killing rate for Black transgender women is five times that of the general population.

61% of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner

37.3% of bisexual men experience IPV

18% of LGBTQ+ youth experienced physical dating violence and 16% experienced sexual dating violence

LGBTQ+ youth of color are at greater risk of physical and sexual dating violence

- What is unknown is if updated figures from these types of reports are included in the above FBI statistics. 

Titan1 wrote:

Extremism breads extremism.  So many seem to think that extremism is somehow the solution to extremism.  Radical republicans push the radical democrats further left...radical democrats push...

Extremism breads extremism.  So many seem to think that extremism is somehow the solution to extremism. 

Radical republicans push the radical democrats further left...radical democrats push the radical republicans further right.  And the pendulum gains more and more momentum as it swings radically back and forth, left to right.  

There has to be someone in this country who can sell moderation to America...Inspire Americans to accept compromise...help us realize that giving a little here and a little there isn't going to be the end of the country.

If its me...

I'd love to see a republican who would back way off on the social issues.  Stop making abortion and gay marriage the sword they die on, just acknowledge that gays deserve the same rights as everyone else, and start-actively and vocally-working to assure that is the case...

I'd love to see a democrat who would also back way off on social issues...stop making all this transgender, gender fluidity being taught to kids stuff the sword they die on...for consenting legal adults do what you want. 

I'd love to see democrats back way way way off on the green energy.  Stop forcing it down our throats, if its better (more efficient, more affordable, etc. etc.) it will naturally replace fossil fuels no need to spend a trillion dollars to make it happen. 

I'd love to see republicans back off on the taxing the rich...give a little bit.  Raise taxes on the rich. 

I'd love to see Democrats actually acknowledge that the southern boarder is a problem, and work to start fixing it.  Maybe that's a wall? Maybe its immigration reform? Maybe its both? 

I'd love to see republicans back way off on their absolute avoidance of gun control.  There are simple things we can do, without treading on our constitutional rights, that can save lives.  No reason not to do them. 

I'd love to see democrats take a more "USA first" approach to foreign policy and economic policy. 

Anyway...I could go on and on...but the point is, there is a ton of middle ground to be had...but both sides seem unwilling to even step foot in it. 

AceDudemeisterX wrote:

Since you won’t do any of the work I’ll do it for you. There are 336 million Americans. It appears that Republicans can’t be dating all...

Since you won’t do any of the work I’ll do it for you. There are 336 million Americans. It appears that Republicans can’t be dating all of these people in order to commit violence against them, and the epidemic of rising crimes against them is pretty small. 
 

It appears Republicans may not be committing much if any of the violence against LGTBQ PEOPLE. 
 

From MAR, 2023, with updated and the most complete FBI hate crimes reporting to date the following statistics are reported for 2021:

Victim            Total

Gay (male).        948

LGBT, group †.  521

Transgender.     245 - not even one per day

Lesbian (female) 187 - not even one per day

Gender non-conforming. 97 - not even one per day

Bisexual.                38 - not even one per day

- Victims that aren’t acceptable to care about but provided for reference  

White.                   1,107

Male.                    17

Straight.               13

- What is unknown is how many of the above reports are generated from risky behavior like drugs or sex work  

A 2015 Williams (UCLA) report on intimate partner violence said:

25.2% of gay men experience intimate partner violence

40.4% of lesbians experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime - 8% higher than heterosexual women

54% of transgender and nonbinary people experience intimate partner violence

On average, at least 22 transgender and gender non-conforming people are victims of fatal violence each year. The organization estimates that the violent killing rate for Black transgender women is five times that of the general population.

61% of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner

37.3% of bisexual men experience IPV

18% of LGBTQ+ youth experienced physical dating violence and 16% experienced sexual dating violence

LGBTQ+ youth of color are at greater risk of physical and sexual dating violence

- What is unknown is if updated figures from these types of reports are included in the above FBI statistics. 

Cobbler wrote:

AceDudemeisterX wrote:

Comments about how we wish it was to suit our utopian desires is not what this thread is about. 

MotoTribology wrote:

Oh, my bad.......um....FJB!

Oh yeah! Now I feel like one of the gang!

TDeath21 wrote:

If anyone still supports Trump, after everything he’s done, after all his extremely far right rhetoric, actions, and policies, yes you’re far right. And many here...

If anyone still supports Trump, after everything he’s done, after all his extremely far right rhetoric, actions, and policies, yes you’re far right. And many here on this site seem to support him, with some even calling him one of the best we have ever had. McCain and Romney were considered very conservative 10 years ago and they are now considered RINOS (well, were in McCain’s case. RIP). What does that tell you? There’s a lot to criticize Biden for. Do it! That’s not what makes this site ultra far right. Many from each side of the aisle criticize him and his policies.