Sexton MX vs SX: What went wrong?

3/29/2023 4:47pm
c0ncEpT wrote:
I don't think that's the case. He has Jeffrey Herlings syndrome. He's faster than everyone but doesn't have the mental capacity to slow down and win...

I don't think that's the case.

He has Jeffrey Herlings syndrome. He's faster than everyone but doesn't have the mental capacity to slow down and win by 5 seconds instead of trying to win by 30 seconds and crashing out.

Rosso391 wrote:
Sexton and Herlings in the same sentence??? 

Sexton and Herlings in the same sentence??? Laughing

c0ncEpT wrote:

I know right. Just imagine if you understood the context in which I compared them in!

Chase could probably lose the front end a couple times and still beat Herlings in a stadium.

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3/29/2023 5:16pm

Its not rocket science...90% of his falls are front end related

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3/29/2023 5:45pm

Its not rocket science...90% of his falls are front end related

but why? you cant blame the bike because Roczen rarely lost the front and neither do the Lawrence brothers. throw in the other Honda teams and they don't have that issue.

we all know its the front end. But is it due to rider issue or his bike set up preference 

3/29/2023 6:05pm

Its not rocket science...90% of his falls are front end related

decano51 wrote:
but why? you cant blame the bike because Roczen rarely lost the front and neither do the Lawrence brothers. throw in the other Honda teams and...

but why? you cant blame the bike because Roczen rarely lost the front and neither do the Lawrence brothers. throw in the other Honda teams and they don't have that issue.

we all know its the front end. But is it due to rider issue or his bike set up preference 

Josh Mosiman from MXA said he thinks it's the CRF450. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We56BDEZ3cU&t=212

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 Figured out the problem

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3/30/2023 11:21am

Its not rocket science...90% of his falls are front end related

decano51 wrote:
but why? you cant blame the bike because Roczen rarely lost the front and neither do the Lawrence brothers. throw in the other Honda teams and...

but why? you cant blame the bike because Roczen rarely lost the front and neither do the Lawrence brothers. throw in the other Honda teams and they don't have that issue.

we all know its the front end. But is it due to rider issue or his bike set up preference 

Roczen lost the front end in Cardiff WSX last year on his Honda. And the last year he was on Honda during regular SX season.

Jett crashed several times losing the front last year, one at a triple crown. Hunter and Jett outpace the rest of the class so much they don't need to ride close to the edge like 450 guys do. 

Tomac lost the front end while leading Arlington race 3 this year on the Yamaha. These guys have their forks setup so stiff it's a tradeoff. 

At Seattle, Sexton crashed running wide on the edge of the track, twisted the front end and flipped. Would have happened on any bike with that line choice. 

Frankly I'm impressed how Sexton doesn't get rattled with this crashes and finish out of the top ten. Always seems to be in the top 5 no matter the crash. 

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3/30/2023 11:26am

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Is-Eli-Tomac-the-strangest-competitor-is-all-of-racing-sports,1332356?page=0

 

From what I remember Eli’s small crashes weren’t in the spotlight as much because the first 3 years he wasn’t consistently battling for wins. 

It wasn't so much small solo crashes in that period.  He was dinged most of the season his first full year after the opening round year race crash with Weimer (2014), and still was recovering from the 2015 Thunder Valley crash during 2016 SX, so that is two of his first three years.  He won races and finished second in his second full SX season.

Sexton will be fine.

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3/30/2023 12:41pm

I agree he’s riding just a bit over the edge. I think he’ll get it right soon and we’ll get to see some good racing between him and Jett.

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3/30/2023 1:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2023 1:05pm

After Jett rode past him twice at Red Budd, I think he's already in his head and probably the main reason why he wants out at Honda.

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3/31/2023 12:57pm
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After Jett rode past him twice at Red Budd, I think he's already in his head and probably the main reason why he wants out at...

After Jett rode past him twice at Red Budd, I think he's already in his head and probably the main reason why he wants out at Honda.

I think the main reason he wants out is because he keeps hitting the deck with that bike. Something is off, just like when Kenny threw major shade at the HRC team/bike after his departure. It was no secret that he wasn't happy. It really seems like no one wants to ride the 450 Honda unless it's their only option (meaning all other factory spots are taken). 

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3/31/2023 6:50pm
I think the main reason he wants out is because he keeps hitting the deck with that bike. Something is off, just like when Kenny threw...

I think the main reason he wants out is because he keeps hitting the deck with that bike. Something is off, just like when Kenny threw major shade at the HRC team/bike after his departure. It was no secret that he wasn't happy. It really seems like no one wants to ride the 450 Honda unless it's their only option (meaning all other factory spots are taken). 

Zero built in wrong with the big Honda. Individual setup obviously matters.

Jett showed that by catching, passing and gapping Sexton (and everyone else) on the sister bike. He was faster than Chase in both Open races, and timed practice, at Red Bud.

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3/31/2023 6:56pm

I don’t think anything has changed. It sounds weird to people who don’t know the sport, but the longer MX races are actually much easier mentally.

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3/31/2023 9:26pm
TDeath21 wrote:

I don’t think anything has changed. It sounds weird to people who don’t know the sport, but the longer MX races are actually much easier mentally.

I think the opposite is true... Mx takes more stamina and grit. Especially taking insanely rough tracks, high speeds, hot weather/humidity, and longer time into account. 

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3/31/2023 11:16pm

Something is off with his suspension, especially his forks.

When I watch other riders, their front wheel actually leaves the ground through the chop.  Sexton's doesn't.  It's as it there's no spring in them.  They simply follow the terrain, no matter what.

It seems like they're too soft, but there's more to it than that.

I noticed this in both the Seattle SX, and the video this week with the pros testing for outdoors at Fox Raceway.

 

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4/1/2023 9:16am
I was looking for a thread to comment on to ask this question but could not find one. As the title says, what is wrong with...

I was looking for a thread to comment on to ask this question but could not find one. As the title says, what is wrong with Sexton in SX? He has not been consistent like he was in outdoors last Summer (that only left a one-point separation at the final round). Last year in MX he rarely made mistakes, but now in SX it's every other race. What could be the problem? Mental? Pressure? Not as comfortable indoors? Bike? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks! 

See "Curse of the Goat/Bambino"

 

Bam

 

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5/7/2023 2:09am

Well, looks like #23 figured it out in 450 SX afterall. 

This thread is no longer needed. Congrats 🎉

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