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Well, the AMA just sidestepped this one and will throw it back to DC. Didn't want to flood your mailbox with crap you don't need. Looks like contacting the AMA is useless. Protecting your rights to ride! Makes me proud to be an AMA Life Member.......
Dear Joe:
Your email to AMA President Rob Dingman regarding AMA Racing was referred to me, as I am the Director of Racing. AMA Pro Racing was sold in late 2008 to Daytona Motorsports Group, known as DMG. The Motocross racing is being managed by MX Sports.
The AMA no longer runs professional racing. The AMA does, however, sanction AMA amateur racing and recreational events. The AMA is the largest motorsports sanctioning body in the world.
In AMA Amateur Competition we allow 2-stroke and 4-stroke to compete together.
I will forward your email and concerns to AMA Pro Racing MX Sports President Davey Coombs.
Thank you,
Joe Bromley
Director of Racing
American Motorcyclist Association
13515 Yarmouth Dr.
Pickerington, OH 43147
1 (800) AMA-JOIN
1 (614) 856-1900, ext. 1205
jbromley@ama-cycle.org
Dear Joe:
Your email to AMA President Rob Dingman regarding AMA Racing was referred to me, as I am the Director of Racing. AMA Pro Racing was sold in late 2008 to Daytona Motorsports Group, known as DMG. The Motocross racing is being managed by MX Sports.
The AMA no longer runs professional racing. The AMA does, however, sanction AMA amateur racing and recreational events. The AMA is the largest motorsports sanctioning body in the world.
In AMA Amateur Competition we allow 2-stroke and 4-stroke to compete together.
I will forward your email and concerns to AMA Pro Racing MX Sports President Davey Coombs.
Thank you,
Joe Bromley
Director of Racing
American Motorcyclist Association
13515 Yarmouth Dr.
Pickerington, OH 43147
1 (800) AMA-JOIN
1 (614) 856-1900, ext. 1205
jbromley@ama-cycle.org
But not equal cc vs cc, right?
...big 4? Hmmm.
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Let's think about the practical side. No OEM is going to build a specific bike for a class that has no displacement rules. So teams/riders pick from what's available. What is available now? 450 4st, 250 2st, 250 4st, 125/144/150 2st.
In the "Open" class what do you think people are going to choose from that lot? I know the answer - it's what they are choosing right now.
So regardless of the way you look at it, at this point in time the best available production motocross bike is a 450cc 4 stroke. And unless something dramatic happens to make the OEM's build something different, it's going to stay that way.
BTW why was 250cc considered the "best" capacity for a 2 stroke for so long? Surely in the 15 years or so between the demise of the 500 2st and the rise of the 400/450 4st engine development and technology could have come up a better capacity? I think the answer is that for ongoing commitment of OEM's and other major supporters there has to be some long term stability in the rules of the class, otherwise it just turns into a circus.
The other guy you're thinking of Kinetic is Guy Cooper
Yes the 250 2 stroke is faster and makes more HP. I honestly don't think it would be an advantage on the track though, single lap times yes... but race situation no.
The line choices between a 4strk and 2strk are completely different. If the majority of riders are on a 4 stroke the advantage of the 2 strk is less and less.
What we need is an exhabition race to put this all behind us.
Who won LL's in the A class? was he on a 2 strk or 4? Where did the 2 strk actually finish at LL's?
Pit Row
A 185-200cc 2-smoker might have competed with a 250 4-banger in the early years but not anymore.
When it was all out, no rules, the skies the limit, make the very best tool for the job,
Suzuki ran a 370 2 stroke.
this was one of the last things that R holiday did before he went to Kaw, in fact it took what 5-7 years of pushing to get this type of class structure passed. We fought for it for a long time mainly because of cost, sound, wieght, and preference.
Today it works fine in the amatuer setting. More and more "local fast guys" like running the smokers as they find them easier to maintain and cheaper.
In the pro's i can see the issues are huge. Mainly marketing. OEM's pushed this thumper issue long ago, they have an agenda, and it won't be changed anytime soon.
So looks like a kick asss pro am race series with big purses would be interestingto see what those guys will ride.
or been a big deal to most..
isnt that the point?
it would be the same in pro.
not that big of deal, ,just an interesting side bar..
(as the OEM factory or factory support teams would indeed run the 4 strokes)
the only negative is the few holeshots pulled off by a random privateer,
(or jlaw)
that took the *big teams* 20 seconds of TV time away..
i feel like paul harvey, now you know the rest of the story..
Post a reply to: AMA's reply to my 2 stroke concern. Sorry DC.