#2: MXGP of Sardegna - March 25-26

3/26/2023 11:53am
Park Boys wrote:
If Herlings doesn’t get hurt he will win this title by well over 100 points. Qualifying points are saving Prado right now and the sorry excuse...

If Herlings doesn’t get hurt he will win this title by well over 100 points. Qualifying points are saving Prado right now and the sorry excuse of not knowing what to do without a holeshot was played out years ago. The general race craft from the “title contenders” sans Herlings this year is the poorest that I can remember. Obviously with Gajser out and Herlings not at 100% the field is going nuts and shooting themselves in the foot. They smell blood and the only one taking advantage is Herlings. 

Prado has got to be one of the weirdest racers I have seen. The fact that he wins by starting first is not just because of track position. He's just faster, gaps everyone and then controls the race. When he doesn't start first he's just slower even if he's not in traffic. It's not like anybody held him up and he finished 6th because he couldn't move up further. He started 3rd or 4th and went backwards (both weekends).
1-6-1-6, barely made the podium both weekends and leads the standings with 100 points. lol

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3/26/2023 11:57am

What a ride, my new fav track brutal

I don't know if you have seen the Sardegna mxgp last year, but if not you should definitely rewatch it. Vlaanderen was unreal to watch that day.

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3/26/2023 12:25pm Edited Date/Time 3/26/2023 12:25pm

What a ride, my new fav track brutal

Mavetism wrote:
I don't know if you have seen the Sardegna mxgp last year, but if not you should definitely rewatch it. Vlaanderen was unreal to watch that...

I don't know if you have seen the Sardegna mxgp last year, but if not you should definitely rewatch it. Vlaanderen was unreal to watch that day.

Yeah was great last year too and hot …hearing it’s tougher than lommel seals the deal

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3/26/2023 12:49pm

Herlings is something to watch in the sand. I don’t think he is at his best but just snuck up behind riders and found lines no one else seemed to duplicate.

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3/26/2023 1:35pm

its so strange that ktm made that 100gp pitboard already... Herlings said many times he doesn't have fitness and speed,but suddenly can be on podium and win GPs. He is making the show)also I agree Prado also is interesting racer,he can gap everybody one moto and struggle with speed other moto when he isn't 1st. I have a lot of questions now

3/26/2023 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 3/26/2023 2:54pm
Park Boys wrote:
If Herlings doesn’t get hurt he will win this title by well over 100 points. Qualifying points are saving Prado right now and the sorry excuse...

If Herlings doesn’t get hurt he will win this title by well over 100 points. Qualifying points are saving Prado right now and the sorry excuse of not knowing what to do without a holeshot was played out years ago. The general race craft from the “title contenders” sans Herlings this year is the poorest that I can remember. Obviously with Gajser out and Herlings not at 100% the field is going nuts and shooting themselves in the foot. They smell blood and the only one taking advantage is Herlings. 

crusty_xx wrote:
Prado has got to be one of the weirdest racers I have seen. The fact that he wins by starting first is not just because of...

Prado has got to be one of the weirdest racers I have seen. The fact that he wins by starting first is not just because of track position. He's just faster, gaps everyone and then controls the race. When he doesn't start first he's just slower even if he's not in traffic. It's not like anybody held him up and he finished 6th because he couldn't move up further. He started 3rd or 4th and went backwards (both weekends).
1-6-1-6, barely made the podium both weekends and leads the standings with 100 points. lol

Do you think is has something to do with line choice? Like, when he's out front he can stick to the fast line but as soon as he has to pass/defend (sometimes simultaneously) he just can't get to grips with the track?

3/26/2023 2:15pm

Fastest laps of the races

 

MX2 race 1

 

1.50.484 = Kay De Wolf 

1.50.865 = Jago Geerts 

1.51.050 = Simon Laengenfelder 

1.53.717 = Lucas Coenen 

1.53.914 = Roan Van De Moosdijk 

1.54.237 = Andrea Adamo 

1.54.533 = Liam Everts 

1.54.741 = Thibault Benistant 

1.55.048 = Kevin Horgmo 

1.56.523 = Rick Elzinga 

 

MXGP race 1

 

1.52.210 = Jorge Prado Garcia 

1.52.357 = Jeremy Seewer

1.52.446 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.52.689 = Maxime Renaux

1.52.752 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

1.52.926 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.54.168 = Brent Van Doninck 

1.54.362 = Brian Bogers 

1.54.368 = Mattia Guadagnini 

1.54.605 = Romain Febvre 

 

MX2 race 2

 

1.50.374 = Jago Geerts 

1.50.732 = Kay De Wolf 

1.51.734 = Lucas Coenen 

1.52.074 = Thibault Benistant 

1.52.115 = Simon Laengenfelder 

1.53.247 = Andrea Adamo

1.53.674 = Roan Van De Moosdijk 

1.54.004 = Liam Everts 

1.54.732 = Kevin Horgmo 

1.56.347 = Cornelius Toendel 

 

MXGP race 2

 

1.52.683 = Romain Febvre 

1.52.756 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

1.53.126 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.53.407 = Maxime Renaux

1.54.015 = Jorge Prado Garcia 

1.54.364 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.55.093 = Jeremy Seewer

1.55.543 = Ruben Fernandez 

1.56.024 = Alberto Forato

1.56.222 = Brent Van Doninck 

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3/26/2023 3:54pm

Fun to watch Herlings hang off the back of his KTM on the gas.

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3/26/2023 4:48pm

Jago next year is going to make a impact on the 450 i feel.

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Great racing this weekend. Man that last 3 - 4 laps of the 2nd 450 moto ,  was incredible to watch! 

Side note : Watching DeWolf in the sand is really fun. That kid just hangs it out like a mad man haha. 

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3/26/2023 9:47pm

Killer track. Great racing. Promoter had to lose his hindquarters though. 

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3/27/2023 12:50am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2023 12:54am
Fastest laps of the races   MX2 race 1   1.50.484 = Kay De Wolf  1.50.865 = Jago Geerts  1.51.050 = Simon Laengenfelder  1.53.717 = Lucas...

Fastest laps of the races

 

MX2 race 1

 

1.50.484 = Kay De Wolf 

1.50.865 = Jago Geerts 

1.51.050 = Simon Laengenfelder 

1.53.717 = Lucas Coenen 

1.53.914 = Roan Van De Moosdijk 

1.54.237 = Andrea Adamo 

1.54.533 = Liam Everts 

1.54.741 = Thibault Benistant 

1.55.048 = Kevin Horgmo 

1.56.523 = Rick Elzinga 

 

MXGP race 1

 

1.52.210 = Jorge Prado Garcia 

1.52.357 = Jeremy Seewer

1.52.446 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.52.689 = Maxime Renaux

1.52.752 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

1.52.926 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.54.168 = Brent Van Doninck 

1.54.362 = Brian Bogers 

1.54.368 = Mattia Guadagnini 

1.54.605 = Romain Febvre 

 

MX2 race 2

 

1.50.374 = Jago Geerts 

1.50.732 = Kay De Wolf 

1.51.734 = Lucas Coenen 

1.52.074 = Thibault Benistant 

1.52.115 = Simon Laengenfelder 

1.53.247 = Andrea Adamo

1.53.674 = Roan Van De Moosdijk 

1.54.004 = Liam Everts 

1.54.732 = Kevin Horgmo 

1.56.347 = Cornelius Toendel 

 

MXGP race 2

 

1.52.683 = Romain Febvre 

1.52.756 = Glenn Coldenhoff 

1.53.126 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.53.407 = Maxime Renaux

1.54.015 = Jorge Prado Garcia 

1.54.364 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.55.093 = Jeremy Seewer

1.55.543 = Ruben Fernandez 

1.56.024 = Alberto Forato

1.56.222 = Brent Van Doninck 

Did they do any track work between 450 M1 and 250 M2? Pretty crazy MX2 was faster both times around, and both classes had consistent times between motos

EDIT: Just watched the highlights, there did appear to be track maintenance

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3/27/2023 3:37am
M.B. wrote:
its so strange that ktm made that 100gp pitboard already... Herlings said many times he doesn't have fitness and speed,but suddenly can be on podium and...

its so strange that ktm made that 100gp pitboard already... Herlings said many times he doesn't have fitness and speed,but suddenly can be on podium and win GPs. He is making the show)also I agree Prado also is interesting racer,he can gap everybody one moto and struggle with speed other moto when he isn't 1st. I have a lot of questions now

It certainly happened a lot sooner than anyone thought, but maybe that pitboard was made prior to last season...

Herlings didn't acknowledge it too much post race. Maybe he really has changed his mindset.

3/27/2023 3:56am
Park Boys wrote:
If Herlings doesn’t get hurt he will win this title by well over 100 points. Qualifying points are saving Prado right now and the sorry excuse...

If Herlings doesn’t get hurt he will win this title by well over 100 points. Qualifying points are saving Prado right now and the sorry excuse of not knowing what to do without a holeshot was played out years ago. The general race craft from the “title contenders” sans Herlings this year is the poorest that I can remember. Obviously with Gajser out and Herlings not at 100% the field is going nuts and shooting themselves in the foot. They smell blood and the only one taking advantage is Herlings. 

crusty_xx wrote:
Prado has got to be one of the weirdest racers I have seen. The fact that he wins by starting first is not just because of...

Prado has got to be one of the weirdest racers I have seen. The fact that he wins by starting first is not just because of track position. He's just faster, gaps everyone and then controls the race. When he doesn't start first he's just slower even if he's not in traffic. It's not like anybody held him up and he finished 6th because he couldn't move up further. He started 3rd or 4th and went backwards (both weekends).
1-6-1-6, barely made the podium both weekends and leads the standings with 100 points. lol

Do you think is has something to do with line choice? Like, when he's out front he can stick to the fast line but as soon...

Do you think is has something to do with line choice? Like, when he's out front he can stick to the fast line but as soon as he has to pass/defend (sometimes simultaneously) he just can't get to grips with the track?

Has to be something like that. Or maybe he gets stuck in a slower rhythm if he can't go 100% speed from lap 1. 
But I'd assume that's something you can fix by practicing with other riders instead of alone

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3/27/2023 4:17am
Dirt_Dawg wrote:

Jago next year is going to make a impact on the 450 i feel.

He will probably make lots of impacts.

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3/27/2023 6:25am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2023 6:27am

Anyone know what's going on with Haarup and the Dixon team?

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3/27/2023 6:47am
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Anyone know what's going on with Haarup and the Dixon team?

Haarup has left the team and will be on a 450 somewhere. Dixon has a new rider lined up but it hasn’t been announced. Gifting is the only real logical one I can think of 

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3/27/2023 7:33am
Snapper wrote:

Anyone know what's going on with Haarup and the Dixon team?

RG437 wrote:
Haarup has left the team and will be on a 450 somewhere. Dixon has a new rider lined up but it hasn’t been announced. Gifting is...

Haarup has left the team and will be on a 450 somewhere. Dixon has a new rider lined up but it hasn’t been announced. Gifting is the only real logical one I can think of 

Interesting. I wonder if Haarup will ride Evans' bike while he's injured?

Gifting is logical yeah, but, that might be tricky if he's set on racing the British on a GASGAS with conflicting sponsors to that of the Dixon team. But then Mewse did a similar thing last year when he filled in for DIGA.

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3/27/2023 8:39am

Fun to watch Herlings hang off the back of his KTM on the gas.

And 3 seconds a lap slower than Geerts while doing it.

 

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3/27/2023 8:46am

That second 450 moto was bonkers 🤩

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3/27/2023 10:02am
Goldmember wrote:

And 3 seconds a lap slower than Geerts while doing it.

 

So you are saying Geerts would have won the 450 class on his 250 if he lined up with them?

Sounds about right!

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3/27/2023 11:16am

Jago Geerts is gonna be a superstar IMHO. 

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3/27/2023 2:28pm
BobbyMyers wrote:

Jago Geerts is gonna be a superstar IMHO. 

Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title. 

Renaux came in and leap frogged him, its his 6th full season in the class, and if he wins , this year, which he should, as its a weak field compared to the last 2, can you see Coldenhoff, Seewer or Renaux getting the flick for him to be on a 450?

Dont get me wrong, he is a great rider, but he ends up on the ground a lot, and he wont be able to ride his way through a deep 450 field like he does in a 250 race.

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3/27/2023 11:38pm

Fun to watch Herlings hang off the back of his KTM on the gas.

Goldmember wrote:

And 3 seconds a lap slower than Geerts while doing it.

 

Can't be serious...Geerst set his fast lap on the 2nd lap. After track maintenance and holeshot. Herlings set his fastest lap on lap 14. When track was already destroyed by mx2 and mxgp

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3/28/2023 12:41am
BobbyMyers wrote:

Jago Geerts is gonna be a superstar IMHO. 

philG wrote:
Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title.  Renaux came...

Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title. 

Renaux came in and leap frogged him, its his 6th full season in the class, and if he wins , this year, which he should, as its a weak field compared to the last 2, can you see Coldenhoff, Seewer or Renaux getting the flick for him to be on a 450?

Dont get me wrong, he is a great rider, but he ends up on the ground a lot, and he wont be able to ride his way through a deep 450 field like he does in a 250 race.

Geerts gets Coldenhoff’s ride. I’m not sure there will be too many debates over that at Yamaha 

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3/28/2023 1:18am
BobbyMyers wrote:

Jago Geerts is gonna be a superstar IMHO. 

philG wrote:
Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title.  Renaux came...

Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title. 

Renaux came in and leap frogged him, its his 6th full season in the class, and if he wins , this year, which he should, as its a weak field compared to the last 2, can you see Coldenhoff, Seewer or Renaux getting the flick for him to be on a 450?

Dont get me wrong, he is a great rider, but he ends up on the ground a lot, and he wont be able to ride his way through a deep 450 field like he does in a 250 race.

Sure but we've seen before that some riders are better on the big bike and vice versa. Geerts rode pretty awesome on the 450 at Red Bud in the fall. 

Who thought Ruben Fernandez would be a HRC 450 rider and win the opener a couple of years ago?

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3/28/2023 1:50am
BobbyMyers wrote:

Jago Geerts is gonna be a superstar IMHO. 

philG wrote:
Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title.  Renaux came...

Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title. 

Renaux came in and leap frogged him, its his 6th full season in the class, and if he wins , this year, which he should, as its a weak field compared to the last 2, can you see Coldenhoff, Seewer or Renaux getting the flick for him to be on a 450?

Dont get me wrong, he is a great rider, but he ends up on the ground a lot, and he wont be able to ride his way through a deep 450 field like he does in a 250 race.

RG437 wrote:

Geerts gets Coldenhoff’s ride. I’m not sure there will be too many debates over that at Yamaha 

Yeah even if Coldenhoff would have a career year it doesnt make much sense to let either Seewer or Renaux go in favor of Coldenhoff due to his age and the results of Seewer & Renaux. And i don't see Yamaha keeping 4.

Imo Coldenhoff needs to have a 2019 season to get a shot at a good factory ride next year.

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3/28/2023 2:03am
philG wrote:
Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title.  Renaux came...

Not based on what we have seen so far, He couldnt beat Vialle and when Vialle was out his team mate won the title. 

Renaux came in and leap frogged him, its his 6th full season in the class, and if he wins , this year, which he should, as its a weak field compared to the last 2, can you see Coldenhoff, Seewer or Renaux getting the flick for him to be on a 450?

Dont get me wrong, he is a great rider, but he ends up on the ground a lot, and he wont be able to ride his way through a deep 450 field like he does in a 250 race.

RG437 wrote:

Geerts gets Coldenhoff’s ride. I’m not sure there will be too many debates over that at Yamaha 

roninho wrote:
Yeah even if Coldenhoff would have a career year it doesnt make much sense to let either Seewer or Renaux go in favor of Coldenhoff due...

Yeah even if Coldenhoff would have a career year it doesnt make much sense to let either Seewer or Renaux go in favor of Coldenhoff due to his age and the results of Seewer & Renaux. And i don't see Yamaha keeping 4.

Imo Coldenhoff needs to have a 2019 season to get a shot at a good factory ride next year.

The amount of years and effort that Yamaha have put into Geerts and the promise he showed on a 450 already, there’s no way they’re gonna let him go 

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