Why are there no new Japanese brands?

Dirty Points 3/26/2023 4:28pm
3/26/2023 4:28pm
Front242 wrote:

Triumph 😝

btw.....many manufacturer in Europe u mean the 3 different colored Pira bikes 🙄

LungButter wrote:

I think he meant

Beta

Sherco

Rieju

TM 

And maybe a couple others I can’t think of. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I'll add Fantic.

Fantic and Beta were making dirtbikes before the big 4 Japanese mfgs.

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mx313 3/26/2023 5:21pm
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LungButter wrote:

I think he meant

Beta

Sherco

Rieju

TM 

And maybe a couple others I can’t think of. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I'll add Fantic.

Dirty Points wrote:

Fantic and Beta were making dirtbikes before the big 4 Japanese mfgs.

Like I said earlier. All these "new" European manufacturers have been making motorbikes for 100 years.

The big 4 in Japan have owned their market for 100 years. There may be a couple other manufacturers that specialise in scooters. But there is literally no other Japanese manufacturer making off road bikes.

Where in Europe there is quite a few dirt bike manufacturers. Some even making mx bikes. That are now joining the racing sport. They are not new companies.

AceDudemeisterX 3/27/2023 9:52am
3/27/2023 9:52am
MX Guy wrote:
Sir, I said the world is moving away from ICE vehicles. I didn’t say anything else that you said. That’s simply the narrative being pushed by...

Sir, I said the world is moving away from ICE vehicles. I didn’t say anything else that you said. That’s simply the narrative being pushed by the industry that manufactures ICE vehicles. I didn’t say the reason why, whether or not I like it, I want it to happen, etc. 

RDnutz wrote:
Got it. Notice I didn't make any comments about you personally- sorry if you took it that way. I was presenting the counterpoint to the narrative...

Got it. Notice I didn't make any comments about you personally- sorry if you took it that way. I was presenting the counterpoint to the narrative the world is moving away from ICE- with a little fleshing out of the topic without becoming overtly political here. I feel strongly that narrative should be challenged every time it appears in any arena before it comes true simply by inertia due to constant repetition. Finally, I signed off with a generalized warning about being careful what you (generic you) wish for- again- not directed specifically at you.

Carry on Wink

brocster wrote:
Correct. It’s fear mongering at best and the people that buy into it are utterly uninformed. The earth does to itself more “damage and repair” in...

Correct. It’s fear mongering at best and the people that buy into it are utterly uninformed. The earth does to itself more “damage and repair” in a day than any and all human population does in 10 years. 
 

Back to topic. If you are talking Japanese off road vehicles specifically, I would think the niche is entirely too small these days. Most kids and young adults spend their days inside “gaming” vs doing outside activities. 

It’s consumerism using fear mongering for a reason. 

Our government is leading the charge. 

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AceDudemeisterX 3/27/2023 10:06am
3/27/2023 10:06am
-MAVERICK- wrote:

I'll add Fantic.

Dirty Points wrote:

Fantic and Beta were making dirtbikes before the big 4 Japanese mfgs.

mx313 wrote:
Like I said earlier. All these "new" European manufacturers have been making motorbikes for 100 years. The big 4 in Japan have owned their market for...

Like I said earlier. All these "new" European manufacturers have been making motorbikes for 100 years.

The big 4 in Japan have owned their market for 100 years. There may be a couple other manufacturers that specialise in scooters. But there is literally no other Japanese manufacturer making off road bikes.

Where in Europe there is quite a few dirt bike manufacturers. Some even making mx bikes. That are now joining the racing sport. They are not new companies.

Honda didn’t start until after WWII, using surplus military engines to clip onto bikes. 
 

Suzuki didn’t enter two wheeled manufacturing until the 1950s with clip on bicycle engines. 

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bluesmoke 3/27/2023 10:08am
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motoarmageddon wrote:
Its been the Big four for years, and if you look at Europe there are so many brands , a lot dont make it, but there...

Its been the Big four for years, and if you look at Europe there are so many brands , a lot dont make it, but there are so many.  Youd think a new Japanese motorcycle could really make some waves. Why doesnt one of the big four spin off a dirt bike only brand? 

AceDudemeisterX wrote:

Next year there will be a new Thai motorcycle in the 250s. 

BobbyMyers wrote:

Will it come with a Thai stick kick stand?

No that's a "tied" stick kickstand man!🤣

AceDudemeisterX 3/31/2023 8:29am
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BobPA wrote:

Why would anyone want to invest billions to lose millions? 

I’ve been thinking about this. If you can invest one billion, you can afford to lose millions if, long term you expect to succeed. If you can invest billions, then even more so. 
 

What it comes down to is the return timeline, how long are they willing to wait for the return. 
 

This comment is based on a private pilot that I met who flew “billionaires” around. He claimed their investments/ projects were out of range of millionaires and they laughed at millionaires. 

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BobbyMyers 3/31/2023 5:16pm
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AceDudemeisterX wrote:

Next year there will be a new Thai motorcycle in the 250s. 

BobbyMyers wrote:

Will it come with a Thai stick kick stand?

bluesmoke wrote:

No that's a "tied" stick kickstand man!🤣

Yup tied on a stick. Taste as smooth as a peeled onion. 

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