Dutch Masters Results Round 1

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Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 1:14pm

In the sand at Harfsen - awesome track to visit.

Herlings is back with a 1-1

De Wolf and Elzinga trade moto wins with De Wolf getting the overall...

 

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3/19/2023 11:08am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 2:00am

I have been following Elzinga since he came to the States!

To trades wins with De Wolf! Impressive!!!

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What was the problem in the second race with Van Doninck?

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He crashed in the start of the second race and probably injured his forearm slightly.

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3/19/2023 2:36pm

Shame there’s no coverage of these Dutch sand rounds 

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Shame there’s no coverage of these Dutch sand rounds 

Went to one of the Dutch Masters rounds last year - these guys are a on a whole other level of speed as compared to AMA racers when it comes to going fast in the sand. 

 At the end of the day,  the track looks like they dropped bombs on it, amazingly rough and brutal..

Heard that some of the top guys are trying to set up things to come to Southwick this year, its an off week for MXGP...

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3/19/2023 6:48pm

Shame there’s no coverage of these Dutch sand rounds 

Brent wrote:
Went to one of the Dutch Masters rounds last year - these guys are a on a whole other level of speed as compared to AMA...

Went to one of the Dutch Masters rounds last year - these guys are a on a whole other level of speed as compared to AMA racers when it comes to going fast in the sand. 

 At the end of the day,  the track looks like they dropped bombs on it, amazingly rough and brutal..

Heard that some of the top guys are trying to set up things to come to Southwick this year, its an off week for MXGP...

Will believe it when I see it. Tomac will still win there

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3/19/2023 11:48pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2023 11:53pm

Netherlands Round 2, HARFSEN

 

125 race 1

 

1/ Janis Reisulis +0.000 *1.46.391*

2/ Damien Knuiman +19.170 (1.49.384)

3/ Kasimir Hinderson +25.003 (1.49.368)

4/ Gyan Doensen +31.852 (1.47.464)

5/ Ian Ampoorter +44.965 (1.51.244)

6/ Roan Tolsma +48.573 (1.49.531)

7/ Louis Beernaert +1.00.289 (1.51.611)

8/ Douwe Van Mechgelen +1.09.335 (1.51.963)

9/ Cole Mccullough +1.12.248 (1.49.829)

10/ Jakob Frandsen +1.23.672 (1.53.690)

 

250 race 1

 

1/ Rick Elzinga +0.000 (1.43.312)

2/ Kay De Wolf +2.078 *1.42.175*

3/ Roan Van De Moosdijk +25.369 (1.43.602)

4/ Andrea Bonacorsi +47.032 (1.45.779)

5/ Karlis Reisulis +1.07.452 (1.45.537)

6/ Oriol Oliver +1.07.623 (1.46.016)

7/ Kay Karssemakers +1.27.134 (1.47.298)

8/ Cato Nickel +1.49.053 (1.49.325)

9/ Boris Blanken +1.50.781 (1.50.028)

10/ Jens Walvoort +1 lap (1.50.703)

 

450 race 1

 

1/ Jeffrey Herlings +0.000 (1.44.161)

2/ Brent Van Doninck +3.777 *1.43.941*

3/ Romain Febvre +17.493 (1.44.302)

4/ Calvin Vlaanderen +31.900 (1.44.984)

5/ Maximilian Nagl +37.101 (1.45.079)

6/ Adam Sterry +1.08.074 (1.45.525)

7/ Micha-Boy De Waal +1.19.756 (1.44.791)

8/ Sven Van Der Mierden +1.40.082 (1.49.207)

9/ Jeremy Knuiman +1.42.230 (1.50.340)

10/ Mike Bolink +1lap (1.51.877)

 

125 race 2

 

1/ Janis Reisulis +0.000 *1.48.870*

2/ Kasimir Hinderson +9.216 (1.50.031)

3/ Maximilian Werner +12.447 (1.50.668)

4/ Damien Knuiman +16.821 (1.50.975)

5/ Roan Tolsma +24.427 (1.51.906)

6/ Ian Ampoorter +40.879 (1.51.869)

7/ Gyan Doensen +42.796 (1.52.504)

8/ Douwe Van Mechgelen +52.670 (1.54.261)

9/ Mick Kennedy +1.03.609 (1.53.861)

10/ Cole Mccullough +1.04.405 (1.52.503)

 

250 race 2

 

1/ Kay De Wolf +0.000 *1.43.312*

2/ Rick Elzinga +16.783 (1.43.866)

3/ Roan Van De Moosdijk +20.336 (1.43.991)

4/ Andrea Bonacorsi +23.212 (1.46.274)

5/ Ivano Van Erp +1.05.332 (1.47.639)

6/ Karlis Reisulis +1.09.367 (1.48.136)

7/ Kay Karssemakers +1.26.557 (1.47.434)

8/ Joel Rizzi +1.29.755 (1.49.165)

9/ Cato Nickel +1.33.758 (1.49.682)

10/ Scott Smulders +1.43.598 (1.51.125)

 

450 race 2

 

1/ Jeffrey Herlings +0.000 *1.45.432*

2/ Romain Febvre +21.906 (1.45.955)

3/ Calvin Vlaanderen +26.210 (1.45.780)

4/ Maximilian Nagl +37.928 (1.47.492)

5/ Jere Haavisto +1.17.957 (1.48.247)

6/ Petar Petrov +1.35.967 (1.51.044)

7/ Sven Van Der Mierden +1.39.760 (1.52.069)

8/ Lars Van Berkel +1.41.116 (1.51.422)

9/ Micha-Boy De Waal +1.54.491 (1.51.387)

10/ Mike Bolink +1 lap (1.52.914)

 

France round 2, CASTELNEAU DE LÉVIS

 

125 race 1 (cut short due to mud)

 

1/ Mathis Valin +0.000 *2.21.859*

2/ Mathis Barthez +45.621 (2.30.686)

3/ Tom Brunet +1.14.172 (2.31.209)

4/ Simon De Ruyter +1.22.039 (2.40.143)

5/ August Frisk +1.23.556 (2.36.575)

6/ Kivers Lefebvre +1.32.100 (2.43.563)

7/ Jean-Paul Piacentini +1.42.691 (2.38.210)

8/Jules Pietre +1.47.725 (2.33.175)

9/ Lissandru Torre +1 lap (2.46.278)

10/ Amaury Maindru +1 lap (2.51.013)

 

250 race 1

 

1/ Pierre Goupillon +0.000 *2.21.224*

2/ Bogdan Krajewski +1.21.981 (2.27.518)

3/ Quentin-Marc Prugnieres +1.27.291 (2.28.932)

4/ Emil Weckman +1.42.716 (2.32.259)

5/ Arnaud Aubin +1 lap (2.35.544)

6/ Adrien Petit +1 lap (2.33.915)

7/ Florian Miot +1 lap (2.35.482)

8/ Maxime Charlier +1 lap (2.41.837)

9/ Saad Soulimani +1 lap (2.36.479)

10/ Hugo Manzato +1 lap (2.47.195)

 

450 race 1

 

1/ Stephen Rubini +0.000 *2.18.943*

2/ Jimmy Clochet +10.776 (2.19.398)

3/ Xavier Boog +23.824 (2.19.565)

4/ Valentin Guillod +31.108 (2.19.858)

5/ Mathys Boisrame +43.529 (2.20.365)

6/ Gregory Aranda +53.334 (2.20.422)

7/ Milko Potisek +1.05.931 (2.20.429)

8/ Anthony Bourdon +1.34.620 (2.22.171)

9/ Antoine Cosse +2.06.117 (2.23.585)

10/ David Herbreteau +2.08.955 (2.25.430)

 

125 race 2

 

1/ Mathis Valin +0.000 *2.28.143*

2/ Jules Pietre +2.21.473 (2.34.951)

3/ Tom Brunet +2.41.798 (2.41.124)

4/ Kivers Lefebvre +1 lap (2.40.750)

5/ Fabio Fenouillet +1 lap (2.52.304)

6/ Kylian Maallem +1 lap (2.51.894)

7/ Tom Caneele +1 lap (2.50.754)

8/ Hugo Vauthier +1 lap (2.50.480)

9/ Maxime Lucas +2 laps (2.57.145)

10/ Nicolas Clement +2 laps (3.15.469)

 

3/20/2023 12:37am

top 3 250s running faster times than the 450s was the track groomed before them?

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No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes.

Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in 450, but fell in both motos. In 250 vd Moosdijk fell from p1 in moto 1. 

Reisulis is impressive i can see him do nice things in emx250 this year. But he is huge for a 15 year old.

 

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Bonanza69 wrote:

What was the problem in the second race with Van Doninck?

Better watch van Doninck's IG story

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roninho wrote:
No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes. Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in...

No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes.

Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in 450, but fell in both motos. In 250 vd Moosdijk fell from p1 in moto 1. 

Reisulis is impressive i can see him do nice things in emx250 this year. But he is huge for a 15 year old.

 

Not true...when Vlaanderen was catching Herlings, Herlings laptimes were around 1.50's. Later he was running 1.47 and 1.48's. I was there and no way Herlings has pushed one time

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roninho wrote:
No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes. Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in...

No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes.

Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in 450, but fell in both motos. In 250 vd Moosdijk fell from p1 in moto 1. 

Reisulis is impressive i can see him do nice things in emx250 this year. But he is huge for a 15 year old.

 

Meaz wrote:
Not true...when Vlaanderen was catching Herlings, Herlings laptimes were around 1.50's. Later he was running 1.47 and 1.48's. I was there and no way Herlings has...

Not true...when Vlaanderen was catching Herlings, Herlings laptimes were around 1.50's. Later he was running 1.47 and 1.48's. I was there and no way Herlings has pushed one time

When Vlaanderen was catching Herlings mid race he was doing a 1.46. 

I agree that it looked like Herlings wasnt pushing (Febvre imo the same), but Vlaanderen did look like he was pushing. 

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roninho wrote:
No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes. Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in...

No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes.

Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in 450, but fell in both motos. In 250 vd Moosdijk fell from p1 in moto 1. 

Reisulis is impressive i can see him do nice things in emx250 this year. But he is huge for a 15 year old.

 

Meaz wrote:
Not true...when Vlaanderen was catching Herlings, Herlings laptimes were around 1.50's. Later he was running 1.47 and 1.48's. I was there and no way Herlings has...

Not true...when Vlaanderen was catching Herlings, Herlings laptimes were around 1.50's. Later he was running 1.47 and 1.48's. I was there and no way Herlings has pushed one time

roninho wrote:
When Vlaanderen was catching Herlings mid race he was doing a 1.46.  I agree that it looked like Herlings wasnt pushing (Febvre imo the same), but...

When Vlaanderen was catching Herlings mid race he was doing a 1.46. 

I agree that it looked like Herlings wasnt pushing (Febvre imo the same), but Vlaanderen did look like he was pushing. 

Agree, thats why he went down. Track was brutal 2nd moto. 

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Bonanza69 wrote:

What was the problem in the second race with Van Doninck?

Meaz wrote:

Better watch van Doninck's IG story

There was no info about his injury or crash? 

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Bonanza69 wrote:

What was the problem in the second race with Van Doninck?

Meaz wrote:

Better watch van Doninck's IG story

tek14 wrote:

There was no info about his injury or crash? 

He asked what the problem was

3/20/2023 5:06am
Bonanza69 wrote:

What was the problem in the second race with Van Doninck?

Meaz wrote:

Better watch van Doninck's IG story

That was bullshit, 84 clearly cut the track.

Brent has been impressive recently. Hopefully he can put it together in the GPs too

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Shame there’s no coverage of these Dutch sand rounds 

There's a video of harfsen....... is on this youtube channel....johnvanbeek100... 

3/20/2023 2:33pm
roninho wrote:
No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes. Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in...

No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes.

Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in 450, but fell in both motos. In 250 vd Moosdijk fell from p1 in moto 1. 

Reisulis is impressive i can see him do nice things in emx250 this year. But he is huge for a 15 year old.

 

The 250s 2nd moto times were still faster than 450s 1st motos so you point on roughness is mute

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3/21/2023 1:47am

Fastest laps of the races

 

Netherlands rd 1

 

125 race 1

 

1.46.391 = Janis Reisulis 

1.47.424 = Gyan Doensen

1.49.265 = Maximilian Werner

1.49.368 = Kasimir Hindersson

1.49.384 = Damien Knuiman 

1.49.531 = Roan Tolsma 

1.49.829 = Cole Mccullough 

1.51.244 = Ian Ampoorter 

1.51.611 = Louis Beernaert 

1.51.963 = Douwe Van Mechgelen 

 

250 race 1

 

1.42.175 = Kay De Wolf 

1.43.312 = Rick Elzinga 

1.43.602 = Roan Van De Moosdijk 

1.45.537 = Karlis Reisulis

1.45.779 = Andrea Bonacorsi 

1.46.016 = Oriol Oliver

1.47.298 = Kay Karssemakers 

1.49.027 = Robert Fobbe

1.49.183 = Joel Rizzi

1.49.325 = Cato Nickel

 

450 race 1

 

1.43.941 = Brent Van Doninck 

1.44.161 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.44.302 = Romain Febvre 

1.44.791 = Micha-Boy De Waal 

1.44.873 = Brian Bogers

1.44.984 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.45.079 = Maximilian Nagl 

1.45.525 = Adam Sterry

1.45.993 = Petar Petrov 

1.48.434 = Jere Haavisto 

.125 race 2

 

1.48.870 = Janis Reisulis

1.50.031 = Kasimir Hindersson 

1.50.668 = Maximilian Werner

1.50.975 = Damien Knuiman 

1.51.869 = Ian Ampoorter 

1.51.906 = Roan Tolsma

1.52.503 = Cole Mccullough 

1.52.504 = Gyan Doensen

1.53.861 = Mike Kennedy

1.53.965 = Levi Schrik 

 

250 race 2

 

1.43.314 = Kay De Wolf 

1.43.866 = Rick Elzinga 

1.43.991 = Roan Van De Moosdijk 

1.46.274 = Andrea Bonacorsi 

1.47.434 = Kay Karssemakers 

1.47.639 = Ivano Van Erp

1.48.136 = Karlis Reisulis

1.48.843 = Boris Blanken

1.48.931 = Robert Fobbe 

1.49.165 = Joel Rizzi

 

450 race 2

 

1.45.432 = Jeffrey Herlings 

1.45.780 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

1.45.955 = Romain Febvre 

1.47.492 = Maximilian Nagl 

1.48.247 = Jere Haavisto

1.50.102 = Noah Ludwig

1.51.044 = Petar Petrov 

1.51.387 = Micha-Boy De Waal 

1.51.422 = Lars Van Berkel 

1.51.688 = Adam Sterry

 

France rd 2

 

125 race 1

 

2.21.859 = Mathis Valin 

2.30.686 = Mathis Barthez 

2.31.209 = Tom Brunet

2.33.175 = Jules Pietre

2.34.771 = Hugo Vauthier 

2.36.575 = August Frisk

2.38.210 = Jean-Paul Piacentini 

2.39.991 = Maxime Lucas

2.40.143 = Simon De Ruyter

2.43.563 = Kivers Lefebvre

 

250 race 1

 

2.21.224 = Pierre Goupillon 

2.27.518 = Bogdan Krajewski 

2.28.932 = Quentin-Marc Prugnieres 

2.29.594 = Matheo Miot

2.32.259 = Emil Weckman 

2.33.915 = Adrien Petit

2.35.168 = Arthur Vial

2.35.376 = Lucas Imbert 

2.35.482 = Florian Miot

2.35.544 = Arnaud Aubin

 

450 race 1

 

2.18.943 = Stephen Rubini

2.19.398 = Jimmy Clochet 

2.19.565 = Xavier Boog 

2.19.858 = Valentin Guillod 

2.20.365 = Mathys Boisrame

2.20.422 = Gregory Aranda 

2.20.429 = Milko Potisek 

2.22.171 = Anthony Bourdon

2.23.585 = Antoine Cosse

2.23.807 = Adrien Malaval

 

125 race 2

 

2.28.143 = Mathis Valin

2.34.951 = Jules Pietre

2.35.862 = August Frisk

2.40.750 = Kivers Lefebvre 

2.41.124 = Tom Brunet

2.50.480 = Hugo Vauthier

2.50.754 = Tom Caneele

2.51.894 = Kylian Maallem 

2.52.304 = Fabio Fenouillet

2.52.473 = Yannis Lopez

 

250 race 2

 

2.19.052 = Pierre Goupillon 

2.20.167 = Quentin-Marc Prugnieres 

2.20.698 = Bogdan Krajewski 

2.23.834 = Saad Soulimani 

2.25.192 = Emil Weckman 

2.25.549 = Nicolas Aubin

2.26.216 = Maxime Charlier

2.26.653 = Nicolas Dercourt 

2.27.145 = Florian Miot 

2.27.532 = Arnaud Aubin

 

450 race 2

 

2.14.746 = Stephen Rubini 

2.15.014 = Gregory Aranda 

2.16.087 = Jimmy Clochet 

2.16.157 = Valentin Guillod 

2.16.196 = Milko Potisek 

2.16.636 = David Herbreteau 

2.16.857 = Xavier Boog

2.17.049 = Mathys Boisrame 

2.17.225 = Anthony Bourdon 

2.17.675 = Brice Maylin

 

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roninho wrote:
No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes. Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in...

No way to compare 450 lap times to 250s. The track was very rough. Also lots of small & big crashes.

Vlaanderen was probably the fastest in 450, but fell in both motos. In 250 vd Moosdijk fell from p1 in moto 1. 

Reisulis is impressive i can see him do nice things in emx250 this year. But he is huge for a 15 year old.

 

cablecable wrote:

The 250s 2nd moto times were still faster than 450s 1st motos so you point on roughness is mute

Parts of the track were flattened after moto1. 85's and 125's went for moto 2 and after that 250's were destroying the track much more than they did before them. But de Wolf, Elzinga and vd Moosdijk were freakin fast...and again i had not the idea Herlings and Febvre were pushing the limits. Really controlled. While the fast 250 guys had their sketchy moments

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Always curious about the MXGP guys racing the smaller national series events as well.  I assume they are still fully supported by their team, do they get win bonuses from sponsors/factory albeit at smaller $ amounts?  Guessing what they are allowed to do, compensation, etc. is all negotiated in their contracts, just is different than AMA racing since we don't have any high profile non AMA events over here....   

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I would pay good money to stream the Dutch Masters

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NorCal1975 wrote:
Always curious about the MXGP guys racing the smaller national series events as well.  I assume they are still fully supported by their team, do they...

Always curious about the MXGP guys racing the smaller national series events as well.  I assume they are still fully supported by their team, do they get win bonuses from sponsors/factory albeit at smaller $ amounts?  Guessing what they are allowed to do, compensation, etc. is all negotiated in their contracts, just is different than AMA racing since we don't have any high profile non AMA events over here....   

It's a combination of reasons.

The teams support the riders, just in a smaller setup. There is no trailer at these races, everybody is running a van setup.

The GP riders see it as a good prep for the GPs. Do a sand race at Harfsen when next week there is a sand gp at Sardignia. 

And make some money in the process. For the guys with a big factory contract it is peanuts, Herlings made 5k with his double win. But Petrov who is a privateer would have made roughly 1500 with 6th-5th (he lost places due to sound issue).

 

3/22/2023 2:03am
NorCal1975 wrote:
Always curious about the MXGP guys racing the smaller national series events as well.  I assume they are still fully supported by their team, do they...

Always curious about the MXGP guys racing the smaller national series events as well.  I assume they are still fully supported by their team, do they get win bonuses from sponsors/factory albeit at smaller $ amounts?  Guessing what they are allowed to do, compensation, etc. is all negotiated in their contracts, just is different than AMA racing since we don't have any high profile non AMA events over here....   

Pre Season the promotor talks to the factory teams if they participate. They had some posts on social media about that. Don't know if it's just about representing a brand or about money for the teams. Sadly the dutch based factory Yamaha team with Coldenhoff is not involved this year.

This is the price money for each moto:

IMG-20230316-WA0005

 

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No idea if they talked about money. But the way i understood is that the reduction of race length (25 minutes only) was as a result of the talks with the bigger teams. Apparently in an effort to have less effect of lapped riders and the safety risk in that. Not sure it really made a difference since they still ended up lapping up till p10

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