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3/21/2023 7:22pm
sandman768 wrote:
I’m still waiting for Savatgy to take out snack pack and Craig to take out Ferandis, if Smith does not send Danger boy into the cheap...

I’m still waiting for Savatgy to take out snack pack and Craig to take out Ferandis, if Smith does not send Danger boy into the cheap seats, I”ll be disappointed…. Eye for eye… flame on…

If Smith does that it will his last race for STAR. He is lucky to be on that bike already. 

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3/21/2023 7:28pm
sandman768 wrote:
I’m still waiting for Savatgy to take out snack pack and Craig to take out Ferandis, if Smith does not send Danger boy into the cheap...

I’m still waiting for Savatgy to take out snack pack and Craig to take out Ferandis, if Smith does not send Danger boy into the cheap seats, I”ll be disappointed…. Eye for eye… flame on…

If Smith does that it will his last race for STAR. He is lucky to be on that bike already. 

Why bro? Deegan likes racing like that. It would be fun. Rubbing is racing.

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3/21/2023 10:16pm
Bingslayer wrote:
As much as I usually agree and respect James’s opinions, I can’t agree. He’s sitting on the fence with this one. I think there was attitude...

As much as I usually agree and respect James’s opinions, I can’t agree. He’s sitting on the fence with this one. I think there was attitude in every one of those moves by Deegan. No time for that carry on in a heat race, especially with your teammate.

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You really think the first contact after the whoops was done on purpose? Not to mention Deegan was on the inside and at the end of...

You really think the first contact after the whoops was done on purpose? Not to mention Deegan was on the inside and at the end of the whoops they were dead even. In no way was contact not going to be made in that situation.

They might have come out even but Smith absolutely schooled him in that woop section, and I think that’s why Deegan took him pretty dam high for a “teammate” that was clearly faster. The first one is pure speculation but the rest were bs on Deegans part.

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3/22/2023 3:53am

I think James explained it pretty well, here. I initially thought both riders were at fault but I never looked at the intent part of it, the way that James did. He makes some good points and I could totally see it playing out that way in each of the riders' minds. Either way, it was a bit of clown riding by both guys. Hopefully it's over with and they have moved on. Bummer that the series swaps coasts, since that would be a good storyline going into this next race. We will have something else to debate by the time the 250E are back racing. So it'll be old news at that point.

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3/22/2023 9:27am
walleyeguy wrote:
Aggressive riding for sure but I think one thing that really hasn't been mentioned is that when Smith went down he was on the inside and...

Aggressive riding for sure but I think one thing that really hasn't been mentioned is that when Smith went down he was on the inside and a tire behind.  Just sayin.  I was there and was watching the whole thing.  Looked like Deegan was checking up to let him by in the first turn of the "S" turn.  When Jordan cut down "which he didn't really" it looked like it "sparked" Deegan and he decided to fight.  Either way Jordan was on the inside when he went down soooooooo...............

I don’t understand why this assessment isn’t more obvious to the others. This has blown WAY out of proportion. If you’re not excited for this kid to enter the pro ranks swinging I’m not sure what is going on in here. For real. And besides, Walleyeguy said it right, same as the YouTube podcaster I posted earlier. smh. let’s put this to bed, and no, Hayden does NOT need to be riding on eggshells in the next races. He did nothing wrong and he’s a badass, let’s enjoy it.

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3/22/2023 9:47am
TbonesPop wrote:
Pretty fair take by James.  Just like he said though when he ran it in on Hot sauce as a rookie.  He got taken out by...

Pretty fair take by James.  Just like he said though when he ran it in on Hot sauce as a rookie.  He got taken out by IT9 5 races later.  Smith will get Deegan back.  And Deegan fanbois talking big now with rubbin is racin need to be willing to accept it when it does happen.

BBA wrote:
I don't get this post. Are you calling James a "Deegan Fanboy" as well? Unless you're on the Deegan hate-train, which it is obvious that you...

I don't get this post. Are you calling James a "Deegan Fanboy" as well? Unless you're on the Deegan hate-train, which it is obvious that you are, then you see that BOTH the riders, not just Haiden, were way overly aggressive for a heat race.

My worthless take on this is that Smith, who I'm always pulling for in a race, has a chip on his shoulder over the fact that Deegan is Star's #1 concern and prospect. I think Jordan knows that he is at the end of it and he's not getting the full support of the team which is putting all of their eggs into the Deegan basket because he is the future, not the past. You don't have to be a "fanboy" to recognize the obvious. It's only when your hater clouded judgement gets in the way of what is just common sense. 

Smith knows he's in his 9th year, with only 3 wins to date, and is getting beat by a rookie.  He can't accept that he's likely gone as far as he will go, and is acting out of desperation. 

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3/22/2023 10:07am
sandman768 wrote:
I’m still waiting for Savatgy to take out snack pack and Craig to take out Ferandis, if Smith does not send Danger boy into the cheap...

I’m still waiting for Savatgy to take out snack pack and Craig to take out Ferandis, if Smith does not send Danger boy into the cheap seats, I”ll be disappointed…. Eye for eye… flame on…

If Smith does that it will his last race for STAR. He is lucky to be on that bike already. 

Farmer J wrote:

Why bro? Deegan likes racing like that. It would be fun. Rubbing is racing.

Because he has no future. 9 years 3 wins and crashes and injuries. Meanwhile Deegan has 2500 people at the STAR tent and is selling merch and views. Oh and Haiden didn't make Jordon flame out the rest of the night. So you are going to keep a "washed up" late 20's rider over a 17 year old with 2 podiums in his first 6 races. Who do you think brings more money and sponsorship to the team?

And the fact that THOR and his team let him whatever gear he wants and not the team set tells you everything.

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ROFL...  I feel vindicated.

 

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3/22/2023 12:06pm

I am of the opinion that Jordon smith possibly having the worst decision making abilities ever caused the ENTIRE incident. Him being a complete dumbass pissed Deegan off which causes him to hit him in that 3rd turn and then smith made another horrible decision and took himself out. You guys are all a bunch of low iq chodes. 

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3/22/2023 12:14pm

Eye for an eye?

 

Deegan could have sent smith to the moon the door was so open! He didn't. I've been hit harder in vet classes than what deegan did to smith in corner 3 of the cat n mouse game. Nothing was wrong with any of it. Smith just failed at his actual attempt of a take out. Deegan didn't attempt shit or smith wouldve been on the ground before he was.

 

I have nothing against either rider and I'm not biases. I don't care if this was barcia and elhombre. Same opinion.

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3/23/2023 12:06am

James nailed it.

if spermbeards could fly, this thread would be an airport 

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3/23/2023 5:20am
peelout wrote:

James nailed it.

if spermbeards could fly, this thread would be an airport 

So we've had takes from RC, weege, Tom journet, Mitch kendra, kellen brauer, roto moto, Steve matthes, keefer, ping, Ricky johnson, Johnny hopper, Josh mosiman, and stew. All big media guys, only stew says it's ok and he's the one that nailed it? How are 12 guys totally off yet one guy is right? Sounds like a lot the people agreeing with stew are going off emotion and don't want to see the dangerboy get blamed. 

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peelout wrote:

James nailed it.

if spermbeards could fly, this thread would be an airport 

Bout time.

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3/23/2023 3:16pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2023 4:14pm

These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then Smith got caught up in it. Not very hard to understand or see.

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3/23/2023 4:16pm

How can RC, RV Weege , and JT all be wrong about who's more at blame.  

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3/23/2023 4:38pm
mx216 wrote:
These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then...

These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then Smith got caught up in it. Not very hard to understand or see.

They need to bring back some of the obstacles shown in that clip. In the first clip, the on-off section with tabletops of different heights was pretty cool. Jumping into an elevated corner, we haven't seen that in a while. 

Some of the camera angles were great. Shot from further back, you could see the guys making up/losing ground. 

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3/23/2023 6:54pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2023 7:04pm
peelout wrote:

James nailed it.

if spermbeards could fly, this thread would be an airport 

BobbyMyers wrote:

Bout time.

My people.

Isn’t it nice to be able to appraise a situation based simply on what’s happening right in front of you WITHOUT predisposing some form of Butt Hurt Syndrome? 

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3/23/2023 7:15pm
peelout wrote:

James nailed it.

if spermbeards could fly, this thread would be an airport 

BobbyMyers wrote:

Bout time.

TeamGreen wrote:
My people. Isn’t it nice to be able to appraise a situation based simply on what’s happening right in front of you WITHOUT predisposing some form...

My people.

Isn’t it nice to be able to appraise a situation based simply on what’s happening right in front of you WITHOUT predisposing some form of Butt Hurt Syndrome? 

I concur, jolly good day sir.

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3/23/2023 7:40pm

I agree with James.  It all happened so fast, I don’t think either one of them were in the wrong.  They don’t have eyes in the side of their head.  It’s like when a cop shoots a suspect with a gun, and people are like “Well he didn’t have to kill him, why didn’t he just shoot the gun out of his hand?”  People have a split second to react, and shit happens. 

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3/23/2023 7:41pm
jemcee wrote:
Someone say Tedesco and James?

Someone say Tedesco and James?

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IVAN! IVAN! IVAN!

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3/24/2023 8:28am
mx216 wrote:
These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then...

These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then Smith got caught up in it. Not very hard to understand or see.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
They need to bring back some of the obstacles shown in that clip. In the first clip, the on-off section with tabletops of different heights was...

They need to bring back some of the obstacles shown in that clip. In the first clip, the on-off section with tabletops of different heights was pretty cool. Jumping into an elevated corner, we haven't seen that in a while. 

Some of the camera angles were great. Shot from further back, you could see the guys making up/losing ground. 

Some of the tracks from back then really were good. Also with the bikes making riders make mistakes that aren't season enders but were really good for the racing. It's not rose colored glasses either, I love today's racing and some things are better. There are some things though like obstacles you mentioned, that could definitely be implemented again. 

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mx216 wrote:
These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then...

These boys need to take a look at this video. This is how team mates ride a heat race. Deegan was being a shithead and then Smith got caught up in it. Not very hard to understand or see.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
They need to bring back some of the obstacles shown in that clip. In the first clip, the on-off section with tabletops of different heights was...

They need to bring back some of the obstacles shown in that clip. In the first clip, the on-off section with tabletops of different heights was pretty cool. Jumping into an elevated corner, we haven't seen that in a while. 

Some of the camera angles were great. Shot from further back, you could see the guys making up/losing ground. 

Everything about the sport, aside from the riders, mechanics & bikes, has become more incompetent since these days.

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