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Maybe Suzuki should do both. 1. Have a 450 that is a cheaper alternative to the others, small updates on a good modifiable platform. 2. Make 400 “Roczen Editions” with a bump in performance (engine and suspension) and a little bit weight saving. See what the market says…
Here you go. Have your suzuki 400
I loved my DRZ400 but it's not a motocross bike the engine delivery is great on the street and mild off road but nothing like the RMZ lineup. I don't even think a race built motor would be even close especially when you consider the weight.
Ya know....I really hope this is true. ...but if journos are talking about it, it sure ain't showing up anywhere I've heard.
One can hope....New 250/450s. ...and bring back the 2 strokes....the expensive tooling is already there. They would sell, just like Yamaha does.
The Suzuki “new bike” rumor amps up every now and then, and has circulated for years. There is no new bike from Suzuki.
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The 2024 new bike is not a rumour that has circulated for years, you don't know what you're talking about! There is bits of information since a few months only.
Keefer talks about the new bike in this video :
https://youtu.be/i4NDUiXLf3g
Helps if you give a time stamp of where he talks about it. For us too lazy to listen to the entire video.
5:30
Keefer: „I think Suzuki is going to be moving to a different platform in 2024.…. Suzuki probably will be updating their bikes in 24“
Would be nice if they do
Hopefully they can find a drawer full of stickers somewhere to put on the 85 while they're at it:
I'm not sure why more companies aren't pouring money into 85's and 65's. How many kids have ridden KTM their entire life just because they started on an orange bike and just stayed with a comfortable brand? You'd think it would be a cheaper place for them to start with too
Yup. And Honda just rolling along with that pos 150 is embarrassing
Its a really great bike. It just needs an actual mini mx bike in the lineup next to it.
I have thought about this alot as well. If you go to any LLQ, all mini classes are full gates of austrian bikes. I dont understand why the brands still making 85s and 65s refuse to make a competitive bike compared w/ the ktms, etc. Those austrian bikes a fucking expensive too and the parents still buy them then put another $4k in parts on them lol. KTM dominates the mini bike segment which is insane bc those are the classes that get the most entries at local races and amateur nats lol.
There are plenty of suspension guys that can make the suspension work decent... Suzuki could easily take some cues from the suspension R&D that's already out there and set up the bike for a mid level rider. The geometry is fine and doesn't need a complete rework at this time. It just needs a diet...
The work really is in the motor... Can't tell me they haven't learned enough in the last 15 years to do a well designed update to the motor with the button added. If designed to drop in to the current chassis, it's ready to go. Then the next major update is frame, etc.
Yes it's still a lot of money, but sure seems like it would supercharge their sales.
The new platform rumors? I dunno.... Sure doesn't seem likely. But I'm just a old guy without any insight.
I really doubt Suzuki will design a world-beating 450. They will probably be last to market with their electric bike, which is likely what they are spending their R&D budget on right now.
Pretty certain Triumph, Beta, and Ducati will have a race ready 450 before Suzuki. Suzuki has simply moved on, like a lot of companies do in a lot of ventures.
The same business model has worked for Yamaha with the YZ125 & YZ250. new fenders and plastic and you've got a '24. They would sell great, because people who particularly want a 2-stroke mx bike have only had two options for the last 16 years- they'd jump at the chance of a different brand.
The YZ125 got a big engine update, both bikes have redesigned body work, the best and most recent stuff from kyb, new brakes and just look fresh. How does an RM250 look like? Yeah, at least 15 years old.. so, no that wouldn’t work and don’t forget: Yamaha sells around a 1000 YZs per year. That’s not a lot..
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Once again, it’s about options. If they came out with an E bike and only sold 500 a year you’d be doing naked cartwheels in your living room
Lol
They have new bikes. Just a matter of if they want to release them.
Moto Paradise for me is all major companies making modern 125 and 250 two strokes, as well as 350 four strokes.
If that just happened out of the blue, tbh the first bikes I’d buy would be a 2025 KX350F and a 2025 RM250
Selling 1000 RM250s, with $4000 profit to Suzuki per bike (idk what it’d actually be), is only $4million. They make billions every year in their other ventures, so this unfortunately is all highly unlikely.
1000 YZs sold is still more than RMZs sold. Not bad for "antiquated" bikes.
Options, right. Which option do you think Suzuki should put their money in:
- two strokes: re-establish the production line for a 15 year old bike, which actually looks 15 years old and let it compete against a recently updated, fresh looking YZ and an ultra-trick EFI-SX250
- four-stroke: slightly update the 450 that just won a supercross.
- electric: develop a bike for a segment in which a guy, who never worked for a motorcycle manufacturer and founded a company from scratch, has over 15.000 orders in his bag for a bike only a few journalists have ever ridden a prototype of. Think what a brand with a reputation and history in MX could do.
Question: how much revenue would the RMs make Suzuki if they‘d sell them in the same numbers Yamaha sells their twostrokes (apparently 1000 units per year)?
100%! That Yamaha keeps selling the YZ makes total sense to me. Bike has a good reputation, production line is set and marketing in place.
The RM however… do you think the tooling and everything is still useable? Setting up production and the marketing campaign to reintroduce the bike to customers and dealers would probably eat up the revenue from 5 years of selling a thousand units per year alone.
4000$ dollar profit? If they‘d sell it for over 10 grand maybe..
So they’d make 2-3 million a year off each bike, maybe. That’s a pimple on Suzuki's backside.
The RM would probably need a little updating in terms of look, but if Suzuki would produce 1000 units, I would bet they'd sell everyone one of them before selling out of the RMZs.
Marketing. All they would need to do is put out some videos and people would be lining up at the dealers to put their deposits down.
People put a deposit down on the Varg when it was still a concept from an unknown company.
You don't think people would be lining up to put a deposit down on a new Suzuki 2 stroke? They're a reputable company and their last two stroke was practically a yellow YZ.
Question: how many Starks have actually been sold for MSRP? Currently it’s just a $100 feel good story
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