Yamaha frame question

Gary Duck
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3/10/2023 8:59pm
rryker wrote:
2021 YZ450F with about 70 hours

2021 YZ450F with about 70 hours

southeast wrote:

Drill a 1/8 inch hole at both ends and have someone Tig weld it.

Got almost the exact same crack in my '02 CRF 450 after practice day at Mammoth and I found a local welder in town who did exactly that and it held up for the rest of the season with no issues.

3/12/2023 9:18am

Took it to the dealer yesterday, they looked it over and said they were going to get Yamaha involved in it. 

I will update this when I hear something else.

 

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3/12/2023 4:52pm
flmotogoon wrote:
 Same bike took this photo after I saw that one broken in half, not entirely sure what to make of it, other welds look good aside...

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 Same bike took this photo after I saw that one broken in half, not entirely sure what to make of it, other welds look good aside from this one seems to be same spot as yours

You might want to take it to the dealer where you got it and have them get Yamaha involved.

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3/15/2023 4:45pm

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Here’s the welds on my brand new 23 yz450  AAF85F02-B2B3-46CF-9227-11A75B6CBC0C

 

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3/15/2023 6:19pm

Good luck. I had a 2016 YZ450f with a hairline crack around the steering head that I noticed after 16 hours. Yamaha replaced the frame and covered the labor so I couldn’t ask for anything more in that situation. 

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3/16/2023 2:35pm

Heard back from the dealer today. Yamaha said that the "welds look normal to them, and didn't see any reason for concern at this time." So my question is when is it time for concern, after it breaks and I face plant and possibly end up in the hospital? If it is of no concern, then they should have no problem taking it back in trade on something else. I am kind of disappointed in Yamaha now.

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3/16/2023 2:55pm
tmauto769 wrote:
Heard back from the dealer today. Yamaha said that the "welds look normal to them, and didn't see any reason for concern at this time." So...

Heard back from the dealer today. Yamaha said that the "welds look normal to them, and didn't see any reason for concern at this time." So my question is when is it time for concern, after it breaks and I face plant and possibly end up in the hospital? If it is of no concern, then they should have no problem taking it back in trade on something else. I am kind of disappointed in Yamaha now.

A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there with 100's of hours without issue, I'd just make it part of the cleaning process to look for any cracks around that area, which would be a good idea with any bike 

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3/16/2023 3:20pm
Timo wrote:
A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there...

A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there with 100's of hours without issue, I'd just make it part of the cleaning process to look for any cracks around that area, which would be a good idea with any bike 

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I have seen a few pics of the same looking welds, but I also have seen a few YZ's break in half. Which is a bit of a concern in my opinion. I am a little pissed about it right now, but will most likely keep the bike as I don't want to lose a lot of money on the deal. I do like the bike though so that makes it tough. If it sucked and I didn't like it, it would have already been gone. I will keep an eye on that area for sure.

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3/16/2023 4:19pm
Timo wrote:
A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there...

A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there with 100's of hours without issue, I'd just make it part of the cleaning process to look for any cracks around that area, which would be a good idea with any bike 

tmauto769 wrote:
Yeah, I know what you mean, and I have seen a few pics of the same looking welds, but I also have seen a few YZ's...

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I have seen a few pics of the same looking welds, but I also have seen a few YZ's break in half. Which is a bit of a concern in my opinion. I am a little pissed about it right now, but will most likely keep the bike as I don't want to lose a lot of money on the deal. I do like the bike though so that makes it tough. If it sucked and I didn't like it, it would have already been gone. I will keep an eye on that area for sure.

I’m the lucky guy in Florida that rode a 22’ yz 450 into the sand thanks to a not so quality frame. Here’s the results, keep in mind I was woods racing.60629177-CF6D-41DE-9CC9-234CDE75E87A

 ECE64A7C-5DF2-45B3-AFAB-3288424A46A2

 EA701E46-D018-4123-9A98-85596404BF85

 

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3/16/2023 4:26pm

How many hours on the ‘22 that came apart? Did you hit anything like a big whoop or tree? I take it you were going pretty fast when it failed? Was it obvious the welds had poor penetration after it failed?

3/16/2023 4:55pm
wrc777 wrote:
How many hours on the ‘22 that came apart? Did you hit anything like a big whoop or tree? I take it you were going pretty...

How many hours on the ‘22 that came apart? Did you hit anything like a big whoop or tree? I take it you were going pretty fast when it failed? Was it obvious the welds had poor penetration after it failed?

15 hours on the bike. Thought I hit something until talking the track officials and medics and revisiting the crash site. It happened on a 4th gear wide open straight.

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3/16/2023 5:11pm
Timo wrote:
A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there...

A lot of the aluminum frame yz welds look like your picture, I'm assuming that's why they're not worried about it. Lots of them out there with 100's of hours without issue, I'd just make it part of the cleaning process to look for any cracks around that area, which would be a good idea with any bike 

tmauto769 wrote:
Yeah, I know what you mean, and I have seen a few pics of the same looking welds, but I also have seen a few YZ's...

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I have seen a few pics of the same looking welds, but I also have seen a few YZ's break in half. Which is a bit of a concern in my opinion. I am a little pissed about it right now, but will most likely keep the bike as I don't want to lose a lot of money on the deal. I do like the bike though so that makes it tough. If it sucked and I didn't like it, it would have already been gone. I will keep an eye on that area for sure.

I’m the lucky guy in Florida that rode a 22’ yz 450 into the sand thanks to a not so quality frame. Here’s the results, keep...

I’m the lucky guy in Florida that rode a 22’ yz 450 into the sand thanks to a not so quality frame. Here’s the results, keep in mind I was woods racing.60629177-CF6D-41DE-9CC9-234CDE75E87A

 ECE64A7C-5DF2-45B3-AFAB-3288424A46A2

 EA701E46-D018-4123-9A98-85596404BF85

 

PulpMX would be telling you to call Arthur Draper.

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3/16/2023 5:32pm
tmauto769 wrote:
Heard back from the dealer today. Yamaha said that the "welds look normal to them, and didn't see any reason for concern at this time." So...

Heard back from the dealer today. Yamaha said that the "welds look normal to them, and didn't see any reason for concern at this time." So my question is when is it time for concern, after it breaks and I face plant and possibly end up in the hospital? If it is of no concern, then they should have no problem taking it back in trade on something else. I am kind of disappointed in Yamaha now.

I’ve had all makes of bikes, I”m not a die hard fan boy of any brand, my loyalty is to riding not a manufacturer. With that said, I had a 450 Ktm FE a few years ago.. maybe 17-18. The frame had some very small stress cracks at the neck area. I called my dealer, they called their rep. They asked for photos, I sent photos. Within 3-4 days, I had a new frame coming for KTM… when I had a shock spring break on a new YZ450F, and it wiped out the shock assy. Yamaha basically told me to pound salt….. I have never owned a Yamaha since…. 

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3/17/2023 8:53am
wrc777 wrote:
How many hours on the ‘22 that came apart? Did you hit anything like a big whoop or tree? I take it you were going pretty...

How many hours on the ‘22 that came apart? Did you hit anything like a big whoop or tree? I take it you were going pretty fast when it failed? Was it obvious the welds had poor penetration after it failed?

15 hours on the bike. Thought I hit something until talking the track officials and medics and revisiting the crash site. It happened on a 4th...

15 hours on the bike. Thought I hit something until talking the track officials and medics and revisiting the crash site. It happened on a 4th gear wide open straight.

Did Yamaha warranty it?

3/17/2023 6:17pm
I’m the lucky guy in Florida that rode a 22’ yz 450 into the sand thanks to a not so quality frame. Here’s the results, keep...

I’m the lucky guy in Florida that rode a 22’ yz 450 into the sand thanks to a not so quality frame. Here’s the results, keep in mind I was woods racing.60629177-CF6D-41DE-9CC9-234CDE75E87A

 ECE64A7C-5DF2-45B3-AFAB-3288424A46A2

 EA701E46-D018-4123-9A98-85596404BF85

 

Yes, you are one of the reasons I went and started looking at my frame. Also you may be the reason I just go ahead and take a loss on the bike and get something else. I am sure the loss won't be as much as your medical bills from that. Man that sucks, I hate that for you.

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