Vialle

2/28/2023 6:39am

Tom is doing well, he is showing that despite only a few months of supercross, talent is talent. Most Europeans who have come over have been able to adapt, the only "front runner" in Europe who arguably didn't was an American, i.e Covington.

 

If Tom can get through SX, I'd expect him to be solid in the Nationals. Top three overall would and should be considered a win, taking the title could be difficult against Hunter and potentially Jeremy. He'll mix it with them and his starts will help.

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2/28/2023 6:42am
decano51 wrote:
legitimate question.. i wonder how he finds the AMA spec KTM outdoors compared to the custom built chassis and one off factory bikes he had in...

legitimate question.. i wonder how he finds the AMA spec KTM outdoors compared to the custom built chassis and one off factory bikes he had in MXGP

 

TeamGreen wrote:
Well, he’s got his chassis dialed pretty damn well for SX. He’s been figuring out SX whoops. He ain’t afraid of sand. Ruts don’t bother him...

Well, he’s got his chassis dialed pretty damn well for SX. He’s been figuring out SX whoops. He ain’t afraid of sand. Ruts don’t bother him. He gets damn good starts. Don’t even worry about him in the rain. 

Another thing: WP has all the goodies available for him. He’ll have sooooo many hours, laps, races, “starts” and straight up “time” on that bike by the time the Nationals start. One thing I’ve noticed about that kid over these last few years, if you give him enough time with a good bike and a good team that get comfortable with his set-up/race bike…he’ll be on the podium. 

On the REALLY rough and worn out tracks…in the rain…in the sand…I expect him to be up front. 

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He gets great starts, but it'll be interesting to see how they transfer in the nationals since they start on dirt and not grates. 

Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.  

I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed with him so far and love that we have another guy capable of being at the front.  If everyone stays healthy, that leaves us with about 8 guys that could win races.

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2/28/2023 6:46am
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Have you walked a National track after the racing is over. Nothing easy about it ......BRO . You could say GP tracks are easier with how...

Have you walked a National track after the racing is over. Nothing easy about it ......BRO . You could say GP tracks are easier with how the corners flow more.

I take your point, it all gets rough, rutted & bumpy. But MXGP is more diverse, AMA track a real broadly similar. As a lot for...

I take your point, it all gets rough, rutted & bumpy. But MXGP is more diverse, AMA track a real broadly similar.

As a lot for people on here like to say the talent of riders is similar between two series, the tracks certainly arnt. I wish AMA nats included some bottomless sand, or proper hard packed hills. Rather then just cookie cutter ripped ruts same lines all the time.

 

I agree, but they have been doing better with last year or so.  Hardpack would be great, but gets too dusty which sucks for TV.  

2/28/2023 8:10am

I agree, but they have been doing better with last year or so.  Hardpack would be great, but gets too dusty which sucks for TV.  

I think we hard pack gotta look at the French Italian tracks as good examples. Using elevation to help avoid dust & test riders throttle control.
 

Whats cool about different tracks is your less likely to see the same winner each week. 

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2/28/2023 8:40am
Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.   I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed...

Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.  

I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed with him so far and love that we have another guy capable of being at the front.  If everyone stays healthy, that leaves us with about 8 guys that could win races.

Boo! Take those away 

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Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.   I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed...

Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.  

I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed with him so far and love that we have another guy capable of being at the front.  If everyone stays healthy, that leaves us with about 8 guys that could win races.

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Boo! Take those away 

Man I agree.  I also agree with Matthes on getting ride of start devices etc.

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2/28/2023 9:24am

Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't want to take the risk of ruining the Lawrence winning image?

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Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.   I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed...

Not anymore.....this year will be grates for all outdoor rounds as well.  

I am not sure if he can win or not, but super impressed with him so far and love that we have another guy capable of being at the front.  If everyone stays healthy, that leaves us with about 8 guys that could win races.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Boo! Take those away 

Man I agree.  I also agree with Matthes on getting ride of start devices etc.

I agree on both accounts. Get rid of metal grates. Get rid of the holeshot device. And I will add get rid of starting blocks.  

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Kevin852 wrote:

I agree on both accounts. Get rid of metal grates. Get rid of the holeshot device. And I will add get rid of starting blocks.  

I can't touch the ground without a holeshot device or starting blocks. I have to sit off to one side of the bike. Laughing

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2/28/2023 9:49am
Rosso391 wrote:
Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't...

Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't want to take the risk of ruining the Lawrence winning image?

Invert that.

Vialle decided to come over when he heard Jett was moving up.

Jett caught, passed and gapped Vialle for a couple of big EMX250 wins in 2018.

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Farres who is a EMX250 rider came over and got a 6th and a 13th on a track he had never rode on at Budds Creek and on a fairly unknown bike but one of the best bikes...

So I would expect Vialle to be contending for the title / winning the title outdoors.

damn people forget so easily these days 

 

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2/28/2023 10:31am
Rosso391 wrote:
Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't...

Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't want to take the risk of ruining the Lawrence winning image?

Goldmember wrote:
Invert that. Vialle decided to come over when he heard Jett was moving up. Jett caught, passed and gapped Vialle for a couple of big EMX250...

Invert that.

Vialle decided to come over when he heard Jett was moving up.

Jett caught, passed and gapped Vialle for a couple of big EMX250 wins in 2018.

Mel Pocock beat them both though

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2/28/2023 10:35am
Rosso391 wrote:
Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't...

Conspiracy theory time: Honda/Jett decided to move up to 450 class for MX when they heard the MX2 World Champ was coming over and they don't want to take the risk of ruining the Lawrence winning image?

Fairly sure the other Lawrence will have Vialle covered this year. Vialle will do well, but going against Lawrence, Cooper, and Shimoda is a tall ask.

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2/28/2023 10:39am
crusty_xx wrote:

Mel Pocock beat them both though

What happened to Mel?

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2/28/2023 11:23am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2023 12:01pm

If you take Jett out,  the top 5 last year were Jo, Hunter, Justin, RJ, and Max.  Jeremy Martin was injured, Forkner got injured early.  Vialle may be an unknown, but his pedigree suggests he will be in the mix. I could see some dropping down to race 250's if elligible, Anstie, Savatgy,  maybe some others. There are also some guys who may mature or surprise Stiles, Hammaker, Romano, Swoll, Macadoo, Kitchen, etc. I think the 250 class will be the one to watch.  

The 450 class I think is mostly going to be the Tomac and  Sexton show with some flashes of speed from the usual suspects, Webb Roczen Anderson Barcia Ferrandis Plessinger, not necessarily in order. I see Jett in that second group, but he is a guy who I think can holeshot and win, whereas some of the other guys, I'm not so sure they can do that anymore

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2/28/2023 11:27am
tuggy450 wrote:
If you take Jett out,  the top 5 last year were Jo, Hunter, Justin, RJ, and Max.  Jeremy Martin was injured, Forkner got injured early.  Vialle...

If you take Jett out,  the top 5 last year were Jo, Hunter, Justin, RJ, and Max.  Jeremy Martin was injured, Forkner got injured early.  Vialle may be an unknown, but his pedigree suggests he will be in the mix. I could see some dropping down to race 250's if elligible, Anstie, Savatgy,  maybe some others. There are also some guys who may mature or surprise Stiles, Hammaker, Romano, Swoll, Macadoo, Kitchen, etc. I think the 250 class will be the one to watch.  

The 450 class I think is mostly going to be the Tomac and  Sexton show with some flashes of speed from the usual suspects, Webb Roczen Anderson Barcia Ferrandis Plessinger, not necessarily in order. I see Jett in that second group, but he is a guy who I think can holeshot and win, whereas some of the other guys, I'm not so sure they can do that anymore

You forgot Kitchen.

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2/28/2023 11:32am
mxb2 wrote:
Well.he better win the outdoors. Since the ama is easier than the mxgp lol According to some on vital
If the AMA did a fly away round at Lommel Vialle & Anstie would prob lap the field. AMA tracks are different easier, so less opportunities...

If the AMA did a fly away round at Lommel Vialle & Anstie would prob lap the field.

AMA tracks are different easier, so less opportunities to create a speed difference. 

southeast wrote:
Have you walked a National track after the racing is over. Nothing easy about it ......BRO . You could say GP tracks are easier with how...

Have you walked a National track after the racing is over. Nothing easy about it ......BRO . You could say GP tracks are easier with how the corners flow more.

I burnt 3 tanks at Millville in 97 the day after the national. Amateur day is 1,000% rougher. You heard everyone say it at red Bud am day last yr too.  Tom should do a local race at the national tracks like Deegan did. Then you hv a much better natl day. A lot of fast guys this yr . Try to stay in the top 5 would be smart . Ride for points. 

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2/28/2023 11:36am
crusty_xx wrote:

Mel Pocock beat them both though

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What happened to Mel?

Aged out of MX2 and EMX and then had a bad crash and lost half of his thumb,in a chain /sprocket. 

Still rides for fun and is quick with it.. think he beat RV at Foxhills, and he rode UK AX this winter. 

Great rider, and an all round good guy. 

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2/28/2023 12:00pm
str8line wrote:

You forgot Kitchen.

you  are right I'll edit to include the chef

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He’s doing great for his first year of SX. I’m looking forward to this years 250MX series. It will be the most stacked it’s been in awhile. 

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2/28/2023 12:58pm
Well Tonus's sister was dating Herlings a looooong time before dating Hunter.   

Well Tonus's sister was dating Herlings a looooong time before dating Hunter. Laughing

 

I also don't think Hunter is slapping her around in front of everybody in the pits either. 

 Lol

Quickly came back to bite the Bullet's ass...

Laughing

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