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ProMed wrote:
That looks like the work of public school kid to me.
Looks like the work of a moron, with very little life experience, grown up in a secluded environment. (at home) Seems like public school kids would be rather used to different etnicities and languages. I am greatfull that we do not look at our selves here as a country where you should speak only one language, it would set me back tremedously, I just wished I had paid more attention to the german that I had to learn and that I had learned spanish too. If you speak english and spanish you are able to comunicate in so many parts of the world.
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We've homeschooled all four of our kids to varying degrees, so I think I speak with a bit of insight on the matter.

Everyone has their own reasons for homeschooling. Some do it to facilitate extra-curricular efforts like music, sports, or theatre. Others do it because their kids have special needs that aren't being met at public school, and they may not be able to afford private school. Still others do it for religious/political reasons. Sadly, there's a small percentage of each of those groups who get lazy and do not do a good job.

We pulled our oldest two out of PS when they were in elementary after we relocated and did not like the school. Both kids were smart, maybe borderline gifted, (doesn't every parent think that?), and the school we moved to did not make any effort to provide them with the challenge they needed to maximize their potential. In addition, we were very active school parents and the school had access and rules that made our participation difficult. We looked into private school, but our area has a very strong home-school population, and we decided to give it a try. For those two kids, we did it for three years- long enough to get the oldest past middle school.

It was a serious sacrifice for our family to do it, and it took a while to get it figured out, but it payed back huge dividends. Both students developed excellent study skills and are very self-directed now. They both went back to public school two years ago, well ahead of their peers academically and behaviorally, (sp?), and are thriving.

We're now homeschooling our younger two, both also elementary age. We just believe they're getting a better education by doing it ourselves.

It all comes down to what your reasons are, and how much you're going to commit to the effort. Don't bag on all homeschoolers. It's like saying all Euro's are snobs or liberal socialist idiots. We all know that's just not true, right?

I do agree with your point about languages. Americans tend to be a bit arrogant about their English. We take exchange students, and those kids are all at least bi-lingual. Then again, the second language they all have is English. Our Asian students are taught that they can't succeed in our ever-globalizing economy if they don't speak English.

A final point- what in that rear-window sign led you to say this was due to homeschooling?

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The national spelling bee, national geography bee for starters.

People who homeschool for reasons other than to go to Loretta's and try to be a pro motocrosser put a lot more care and effort into education than the public school student's parents do. I know a lot of them around here. As a matter of fact, I don't know any homeschoolers around here that are doing it for MX. So I have only the anecdotal experiences which are constantly denigrated in public about that.
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Hman144 wrote:
We've homeschooled all four of our kids to varying degrees, so I think I speak with a bit of insight on the matter. Everyone has their...
We've homeschooled all four of our kids to varying degrees, so I think I speak with a bit of insight on the matter.

Everyone has their own reasons for homeschooling. Some do it to facilitate extra-curricular efforts like music, sports, or theatre. Others do it because their kids have special needs that aren't being met at public school, and they may not be able to afford private school. Still others do it for religious/political reasons. Sadly, there's a small percentage of each of those groups who get lazy and do not do a good job.

We pulled our oldest two out of PS when they were in elementary after we relocated and did not like the school. Both kids were smart, maybe borderline gifted, (doesn't every parent think that?), and the school we moved to did not make any effort to provide them with the challenge they needed to maximize their potential. In addition, we were very active school parents and the school had access and rules that made our participation difficult. We looked into private school, but our area has a very strong home-school population, and we decided to give it a try. For those two kids, we did it for three years- long enough to get the oldest past middle school.

It was a serious sacrifice for our family to do it, and it took a while to get it figured out, but it payed back huge dividends. Both students developed excellent study skills and are very self-directed now. They both went back to public school two years ago, well ahead of their peers academically and behaviorally, (sp?), and are thriving.

We're now homeschooling our younger two, both also elementary age. We just believe they're getting a better education by doing it ourselves.

It all comes down to what your reasons are, and how much you're going to commit to the effort. Don't bag on all homeschoolers. It's like saying all Euro's are snobs or liberal socialist idiots. We all know that's just not true, right?

I do agree with your point about languages. Americans tend to be a bit arrogant about their English. We take exchange students, and those kids are all at least bi-lingual. Then again, the second language they all have is English. Our Asian students are taught that they can't succeed in our ever-globalizing economy if they don't speak English.

A final point- what in that rear-window sign led you to say this was due to homeschooling?

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Regarding your last question, first of all it was a funny pic and meant as a joke, "homeschooling" has been a slander used when people cant spell etc, so that would be the reason, I could have used "redneck" or whatever other slander there is out there instead. I do see a problem with homeschooling though, unless you really are a scholar with alot of time on your hands as a parent. How can you teach your kid a second language for example if you dont know a second language yourself? You put a (sp?) behind one of your written words, I have a hard time imagineing that a prorper english teacher would do that? I am sure there examples of great homeschooling, but generally I dont see how people would have the time and knowledge to be a proper teacher. Usually school is between 8am and 3 pm on average with classes and then home work on top of that and the kids have special teachers for every subject or class, can a parent really pull that off with a full time job or without a special education?
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""Homeschooling" has been a slander...."

Sheesh. Then I guess people have to be more careful about their language, their preconceived notions and their prejudices.

I see why it would be hard for you to understand how a person could do this on their own. Successful homeschoolers make use of co-ops, community organizations, tutors, and other means to handle the teaching for those subjects they cannot adequately teach themselves.

I also agree about your point on time. Again, homeschooling comes with personal sacrifice- we lost income voluntarily so my wife could stay home most days and do school, and my job allows me to be home a couple days a week so with careful scheduling we have coverage all the time. But we're lucky that way.

Oh yeah- I put (sp?) behind that word because it came across as a contrived word, one that spell check would not catch but I thought would be appropriate to use in the context of my response. Unlike "imagineing" or "prorper". Was that just a typo, a joke, or a product of Swiss public schools? J/K of course!

As a home school parent who strives to do it right, and does it for the right reasons, I just get tired of the short-sighted and thoughtless generalizations.

"Nuff said.

Ride On!

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My typos were sloppy misstakes or just a product of Swedish public schools, Swiss would be if I was from Switzerland, I am from Sweden, two different European countries. Smile
As I said, it was a joke and a result of commonly used slander on this board. I dont know much about homeschooling, I am sure it works fine for some.
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We homeschooled our 3 kids for 3 years.  Elementary/middle school age.  My son had special needs and the Oklahoma school they attended thought appropriate education for him was finger painting and fruit loops scattered on the floor.

We fought.  We won.  Then we (my other kids) felt the repercussions from the school board, teachers, other parents that money had to be spent for a certified special Ed teacher.

After our mailbox was plowed over, our dog shot, nails scattered in the driveway, our daughters kicked out of sports...we pulled the plug on public school.

Luckily, I took a better job in Kansas and their schools truly embraced my son and his needs.  He graduated, found work and has a family of his own.

If you are considering homeschool...and you sincerely want to meet or exceed what they'd get at school...understand it is a TREMENDOUS amount of work and dedication.  I mean, my wife had to quit work to do it.  I ain't kidding...it is really hard work.

 

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Some people are really afraid that public schools will turn their kids into left wing wokesters. It never worried me. I wanted my kids to see it all and deal with it according to how they were brought up. When you protect them too much, they do not mature.

That said, you are in a different position. To build his whole life around MX at 10 years old is not what I would call responsible. He needs to understand that life extends beyond MX.

I always felt sorry for kids that had parents that were so driven themselves for this vicarious existence that they turned their kid into a zombie. 

If he was this passionate about video games would you home school him so he could spend more time on Warcraft?

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Almost every kid who has a bike, their life evolves around riding when they’re that young. 
In regards to homeschooling, my daughter was homeschooled from middle school throughout high school. My son as well. It’s a lot more work then parents understand. My wife had to quit her job. My question to you is, are you going to contact the teacher every time your child doesn’t understand an assignment? Doesn’t understand the math? My wife basically got an entire education and, had to relearn a lot of things she forgot over the years in order to explain it to our kids. She was up late studying and, trying to understand calculus. Frustrated beyond reason because there wasn’t a teacher available on a whim to answer questions. Making sure the kids were up every morning. On a schedule and, completing their assignments on time. Helping with projects. She was the teacher for every single subject. Assignments are sent to the students without much of an explanation. Guess who had to explain it. Guess who was up late figuring it out. My wife. 
Once your kid is in Jr High, there would be a teacher for each subject. They specialize in that subject. Now, imagine every one of those roles for each subject being handled by one teacher. 
Though possible, I can not stress the fact there’s more to it then “ we’re  just going to homeschool my kid”.

 Socially, my kids were not awkward. I included them in everything I did with my friends and, their kids. Not to mention they had friends before getting homeschooled. They had friends outside the virtual classroom. 
 

It’s nice seeing a parent want to help their child pursue racing. Being realistic, one of you will have to sacrifice their careers in order to homeschool your child. 

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Some people are really afraid that public schools will turn their kids into left wing wokesters. It never worried me. I wanted my kids to see...

Some people are really afraid that public schools will turn their kids into left wing wokesters. It never worried me. I wanted my kids to see it all and deal with it according to how they were brought up. When you protect them too much, they do not mature.

That said, you are in a different position. To build his whole life around MX at 10 years old is not what I would call responsible. He needs to understand that life extends beyond MX.

I always felt sorry for kids that had parents that were so driven themselves for this vicarious existence that they turned their kid into a zombie. 

If he was this passionate about video games would you home school him so he could spend more time on Warcraft?

Parents are very justified in that belief. We also thought sending them to public school was the best way to also learn real world life skills. Would not take that approach again. Probably not home school but not public school. Most likely a charter school. Had my wife not been as able to be very involved, the outcome probably would have been very different. Public schools typically do not challenge high iq kids and that typically ends in failure. And you know it's never the school's fault, it's always the student's fault. So unless you can be very involved in any educational path, success is the roll of the dice. BTW, the kids must get it from their mom.

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Your state or whatever state you plan on moving to (if you’re not going to stay in NH) will probably/likely have a homeschooling program. 

 

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I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job in San Diego because, wait for it.... she wouldn't respond to a girl in her class that "Identified" as a cat, and was "Meowing" in class. Serious.  Is that the most fucked up backwards twilight zone bullshit you've ever heard ? I mean what in the actual fuck... First off, fuck that kids parents they need a man punch right on their kitten snouts that's child abuse in my book and fuck the school district for not sticking up for the teacher. Was she really supposed to meow back ?  I'd of said I identify as a dog and scared that bullshit right out of her, guess that's why I'm not a teacher lol.   I say homeschool, playgrounds and organized  sports for socialization. Doesn't matter if your kids a future motocrosser or is uncoordinated and sucks at sports. We need normal people in the future, and I've lost all faith in public schools.  So yeah homeschool your son, no possible way you can do worse than public school. No way. Sorry I don't have any useful tips other than go for it. 

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I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job...

I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job in San Diego because, wait for it.... she wouldn't respond to a girl in her class that "Identified" as a cat, and was "Meowing" in class. Serious.  Is that the most fucked up backwards twilight zone bullshit you've ever heard ? I mean what in the actual fuck... First off, fuck that kids parents they need a man punch right on their kitten snouts that's child abuse in my book and fuck the school district for not sticking up for the teacher. Was she really supposed to meow back ?  I'd of said I identify as a dog and scared that bullshit right out of her, guess that's why I'm not a teacher lol.   I say homeschool, playgrounds and organized  sports for socialization. Doesn't matter if your kids a future motocrosser or is uncoordinated and sucks at sports. We need normal people in the future, and I've lost all faith in public schools.  So yeah homeschool your son, no possible way you can do worse than public school. No way. Sorry I don't have any useful tips other than go for it. 

You know that’s a completely fake story, right?

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I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job...

I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job in San Diego because, wait for it.... she wouldn't respond to a girl in her class that "Identified" as a cat, and was "Meowing" in class. Serious.  Is that the most fucked up backwards twilight zone bullshit you've ever heard ? I mean what in the actual fuck... First off, fuck that kids parents they need a man punch right on their kitten snouts that's child abuse in my book and fuck the school district for not sticking up for the teacher. Was she really supposed to meow back ?  I'd of said I identify as a dog and scared that bullshit right out of her, guess that's why I'm not a teacher lol.   I say homeschool, playgrounds and organized  sports for socialization. Doesn't matter if your kids a future motocrosser or is uncoordinated and sucks at sports. We need normal people in the future, and I've lost all faith in public schools.  So yeah homeschool your son, no possible way you can do worse than public school. No way. Sorry I don't have any useful tips other than go for it. 

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You know that’s a completely fake story, right?

I heard that from our retired teacher sister in law from the same district. I didn't grill her if she knew the person or not, just took her word for it. She didn't seem like she was making it up. I'll google it and see what comes up just for curiosity 

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I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job...

I don't even know what to think about public schools these days. Check this out. There was a teacher fired, ...fired from her career teaching job in San Diego because, wait for it.... she wouldn't respond to a girl in her class that "Identified" as a cat, and was "Meowing" in class. Serious.  Is that the most fucked up backwards twilight zone bullshit you've ever heard ? I mean what in the actual fuck... First off, fuck that kids parents they need a man punch right on their kitten snouts that's child abuse in my book and fuck the school district for not sticking up for the teacher. Was she really supposed to meow back ?  I'd of said I identify as a dog and scared that bullshit right out of her, guess that's why I'm not a teacher lol.   I say homeschool, playgrounds and organized  sports for socialization. Doesn't matter if your kids a future motocrosser or is uncoordinated and sucks at sports. We need normal people in the future, and I've lost all faith in public schools.  So yeah homeschool your son, no possible way you can do worse than public school. No way. Sorry I don't have any useful tips other than go for it. 

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You know that’s a completely fake story, right?

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I heard that from our retired teacher sister in law from the same district. I didn't grill her if she knew the person or not, just...

I heard that from our retired teacher sister in law from the same district. I didn't grill her if she knew the person or not, just took her word for it. She didn't seem like she was making it up. I'll google it and see what comes up just for curiosity 

Found this, From the (Substitute) teacher.  So yeah I stand corrected, not exactly a career teacher "fired" , but a teacher let go none the less. Unless thats bs too lol

 

Just when I thought school couldn't get any weirder, it did today. I'm a sub, and the most important thing we do is take roll so the school gets paid. So I'm looking at the seating chart as I'm going up and down the rows and marking who's here and who's not.

I get to the third row and I hear this "Meow." "Excuse me? Excuse me?" I start looking on the ground, I go to the fourth row, everything's good, I go to the fifth row, everybody's there. Then I hear "Meow." I'm like, "Okay, what's up with that? Who's doing it?" And this little girl in the very front row says "You have to 'Meow' back at him. He identifies as a cat."

Are you kidding me? I said "Is there a litter box in here somewhere?" My [sarcastic] self. I probably shouldn't have said that. He gets up and he storms out of the classroom. And I'm like, "Ruff!" Of course, the entire class is laughing. I think "No problem, no foul." I go to the office — are you ready for this? — to check out. They said "We no longer need your services if you can't identify with all the children in the classroom." And you wonder why they don't have any subs. I told the lady, I said "I didn't know cats were considered people. I though they were pets." Another school off my list. 

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You know that’s a completely fake story, right?

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I heard that from our retired teacher sister in law from the same district. I didn't grill her if she knew the person or not, just...

I heard that from our retired teacher sister in law from the same district. I didn't grill her if she knew the person or not, just took her word for it. She didn't seem like she was making it up. I'll google it and see what comes up just for curiosity 

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Found this, From the (Substitute) teacher.  So yeah I stand corrected, not exactly a career teacher "fired" , but a teacher let go none the less...

Found this, From the (Substitute) teacher.  So yeah I stand corrected, not exactly a career teacher "fired" , but a teacher let go none the less. Unless thats bs too lol

 

Just when I thought school couldn't get any weirder, it did today. I'm a sub, and the most important thing we do is take roll so the school gets paid. So I'm looking at the seating chart as I'm going up and down the rows and marking who's here and who's not.

I get to the third row and I hear this "Meow." "Excuse me? Excuse me?" I start looking on the ground, I go to the fourth row, everything's good, I go to the fifth row, everybody's there. Then I hear "Meow." I'm like, "Okay, what's up with that? Who's doing it?" And this little girl in the very front row says "You have to 'Meow' back at him. He identifies as a cat."

Are you kidding me? I said "Is there a litter box in here somewhere?" My [sarcastic] self. I probably shouldn't have said that. He gets up and he storms out of the classroom. And I'm like, "Ruff!" Of course, the entire class is laughing. I think "No problem, no foul." I go to the office — are you ready for this? — to check out. They said "We no longer need your services if you can't identify with all the children in the classroom." And you wonder why they don't have any subs. I told the lady, I said "I didn't know cats were considered people. I though they were pets." Another school off my list. 

Yes, that part is likely BS too….

There was a whole rash of these alleged events including litter boxes being installed in bathrooms and stupid things like that. Even Joe Rogan parroted some of it as fact and later admitted that he repeated an unvetted and untrue story. 

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Yes, that part is likely BS too…. There was a whole rash of these alleged events including litter boxes being installed in bathrooms and stupid things...

Yes, that part is likely BS too….

There was a whole rash of these alleged events including litter boxes being installed in bathrooms and stupid things like that. Even Joe Rogan parroted some of it as fact and later admitted that he repeated an unvetted and untrue story. 

Well crap. I don't make things up and try not to exaggerate, I assume everyone else is the same way. Guess I'm the guy that'll buy ocean front property in Arizona. SadUnsure Laughing

And yeah I went to public school so...... there ya go. Go get some street smarts haha

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Yes, that part is likely BS too…. There was a whole rash of these alleged events including litter boxes being installed in bathrooms and stupid things...

Yes, that part is likely BS too….

There was a whole rash of these alleged events including litter boxes being installed in bathrooms and stupid things like that. Even Joe Rogan parroted some of it as fact and later admitted that he repeated an unvetted and untrue story. 

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Well crap. I don't make things up and try not to exaggerate, I assume everyone else is the same way. Guess I'm the guy that'll buy...

Well crap. I don't make things up and try not to exaggerate, I assume everyone else is the same way. Guess I'm the guy that'll buy ocean front property in Arizona. SadUnsure Laughing

And yeah I went to public school so...... there ya go. Go get some street smarts haha

I’m not accusing YOU of making it up, but these types of urban legends take on a life of their own and get repeated pretty often, especially if they happen to support our preconceived notions. 

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I’m not accusing YOU of making it up, but these types of urban legends take on a life of their own and get repeated pretty often...

I’m not accusing YOU of making it up, but these types of urban legends take on a life of their own and get repeated pretty often, especially if they happen to support our preconceived notions. 

Next you're going to tell me Richard Gere didn't put a gerbil up his ass lol  

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I suppose it depends on where I lived.....but for the most part, in this era and state our country is in,  there is no fucking way I would let public schools "educate" my children if I had any. 

Public schools days are over. 

 

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I suppose it depends on where I lived.....but for the most part, in this era and state our country is in,  there is no fucking way...

I suppose it depends on where I lived.....but for the most part, in this era and state our country is in,  there is no fucking way I would let public schools "educate" my children if I had any. 

Public schools days are over. 

 

I won't argue the fact that the nation's public schools need a close examination and some substantial tweaking.

But, the whole homeschooling situation needs some standardization and oversight.  Buying the cheapest, grade appropriate curriculum and telling the kids to figure it out is not good.  Sadly, that's what many folks are doing.

My personal opinion about religious/church schools is completely negative.  They are in the "indoctrination" business FIRST and foremost...hiding behind an educational facade.  (I consider myself a Jesus loving person but they can stick their dogma where the sun don't shine).  I wanted my kids exposed to the "Word"...not told how to believe by panhandlers and shills.

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