Apathy towards the MXdN?

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Trip 9/30/2009 1:52pm
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G-man wrote:
I rest my case...... lol Woohoo
Hey dummy, I've never been to a Superbowl either, but I do look forward to watching it every year..

I've never been to the Wolrd Series, but I look forward to watching it every year.

I've never been to the Daytona 500, but I look forward to watching it every year.

I've never been to the Masters, but I look forward to watching it every year..


Get the point?? You don't have to go to an event to see the importance or lack of importance.

Face the facts, if it was the biggest most important race of the year, it would be on TV, live!


Did you really say "like no other event in the world?" So if this is like no other event in the world, I guess your going this year?? In your mind it gets no bigger than this race, so you must of saved all year to attend this great "like no other event in the world" race right??

Again, who is the main sponsor?? Where are all the gear pics? Where are all the interviews with the riders??? Not much out there this year is there?? Most important, and like no other event in the world, you would think there would be some hype, no?

LtColMXUSM131 9/30/2009 1:53pm
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I think is one of the best events of the year.
It was sad to see the diminishing interest a few years back, attributed to preparation for SX season and long MX season....
The resurgence more recently with RC,RV,JBS saying they were proud to represent their country was inspiring and admirable.
I personally would feel being named to the US team would be the highest honor.
There are many points of view as to who should be on the team or not yadda yadda yadda. But I honestly feel that we have the right people who deserve to be on the team based on MX performance this year.
Sure I would have liked to see JBS or RV on the team but they haven't been out there for valid reasons.
I am 100% behind our team.
Go USA
And its a big deal!
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G-man 9/30/2009 2:10pm
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Hey dummy, I've never been to a Superbowl either, but I do look forward to watching it every year.. I've never been to the Wolrd Series...
Hey dummy, I've never been to a Superbowl either, but I do look forward to watching it every year..

I've never been to the Wolrd Series, but I look forward to watching it every year.

I've never been to the Daytona 500, but I look forward to watching it every year.

I've never been to the Masters, but I look forward to watching it every year..


Get the point?? You don't have to go to an event to see the importance or lack of importance.

Face the facts, if it was the biggest most important race of the year, it would be on TV, live!


Did you really say "like no other event in the world?" So if this is like no other event in the world, I guess your going this year?? In your mind it gets no bigger than this race, so you must of saved all year to attend this great "like no other event in the world" race right??

Again, who is the main sponsor?? Where are all the gear pics? Where are all the interviews with the riders??? Not much out there this year is there?? Most important, and like no other event in the world, you would think there would be some hype, no?

Once again Debbie Downer to the rescue......



It's great that you don't have no interest or plans to ever go, there are enough pessimists in this world and we sure don't need guys like you attending a fantastic event like the MotoD. Guess you can't see from the pics on EVERYBODY having a great time with each other much like the Olympic Games.

You on the otherhand would much rather rub elbows with you're fellow black socked 909'ers and see who has the baddest lifted truck around.

As far as me--I'm not rich but attended and RACED GlenHelen & Unadilla and will be saving my $$ for riding/racing and next yr's MotoD. Now go stew in you're misery....lol
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cillitbang 9/30/2009 2:11pm
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Best event of the year... shame the likes of RV AND JS7 aren't doing it, and from what i hear Toni Cairoli isn't 100%? But nevertheless i will be glued to watching it Sunday!

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Trip 9/30/2009 2:25pm
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Once again Debbie Downer to the rescue...... [img]http://goldenrule.mlblogs.com/debbie_downer.jpg[/img] It's great that you don't have no interest or plans to ever go, there are enough pessimists in...
Once again Debbie Downer to the rescue......



It's great that you don't have no interest or plans to ever go, there are enough pessimists in this world and we sure don't need guys like you attending a fantastic event like the MotoD. Guess you can't see from the pics on EVERYBODY having a great time with each other much like the Olympic Games.

You on the otherhand would much rather rub elbows with you're fellow black socked 909'ers and see who has the baddest lifted truck around.

As far as me--I'm not rich but attended and RACED GlenHelen & Unadilla and will be saving my $$ for riding/racing and next yr's MotoD. Now go stew in you're misery....lol
Guess you can't see from the pics on EVERYBODY having a great time with each other much like the Olympic Games

Dude, people have a great time at NAMBLA conventions, they take pics and everyone there is having a great time. Doesn't mean I want to go..Wink

Yes i live in the 909, but I drive a stock f 150.

Ok, so your not going to the greatest event of the year??? The race isn't on TV.. Still don't know who the main sponsor is .....did I already say this once??? If it's such a meaningful race, where the hell is all the hype??? X-Games had a ton of press, and it isn't 1/4 of what this great MXdN race is. Face it dude, there just isn't a big interest in it anymore...

I get you like it!!!
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G-man 9/30/2009 2:38pm
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If it's such a meaningful race, where the hell is all the hype??? X-Games had a ton of press, and it isn't 1/4 of what this great MXdN race is. Face it dude, there just isn't a big interest in it anymore...

I get you like it!!!


Ok I understand now you judge an event by the marketing PR BS so using you're LOGIC the X games is the most important event for motocross. I got it now.

Face it dude, you are SERIOUSLY outnumbered in this thread--we get you don't like it, so please take you're pessimistic attitude away from here...



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G-man wrote:
If it's such a meaningful race, where the hell is all the hype??? [b]X-Games had a ton of press[/b], and it isn't 1/4 of what this...
If it's such a meaningful race, where the hell is all the hype??? X-Games had a ton of press, and it isn't 1/4 of what this great MXdN race is. Face it dude, there just isn't a big interest in it anymore...

I get you like it!!!


Ok I understand now you judge an event by the marketing PR BS so using you're LOGIC the X games is the most important event for motocross. I got it now.

Face it dude, you are SERIOUSLY outnumbered in this thread--we get you don't like it, so please take you're pessimistic attitude away from here...



All I'm saying if the majority of people really felt like you do, we would have some hype for the race, or at least know who the main sponsor is LOL..


Personally YOU and a few others think its a great race.. People on here the Open is a great race, I'm not much of fan of that race either. It makes either of us right or wrong, I don't care for it, you do, why are you argueing with me over it?

Enjoy the race!!! I mean after all you have looked forward to it the whole year and all......My sights are set on Anaheim 1

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Pondo1664 9/30/2009 2:53pm
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Trip wrote: Face the facts, if it was the biggest most important race of the year, it would be on TV, live!
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How do you make that distinction? There's some right crap on TV over here that I wouldn't cross the road to watch. Live TV is a great thing, but it seems a bit of a dubious connection to make that it has to be live on TV to be good.

Luongo's obsession with live TV is one of the reasons that current GP MX is in the shit state it's in, IMHO.
DanDunes818 9/30/2009 2:53pm
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The main sponsor is Red Bull.. It's the Red Bull motocross of nations.
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Pondo1664 9/30/2009 2:56pm
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Rupert X wrote:

The British team shouldn't have gone, in support of their manager.

The Americans shouldn't have gone - in support of the British.

I know, I'm probably the only one that feels this way, and that's okay.

The Motocross Des nations is and - will be ALWAYS be - HUGE - but

sometimes you have to stand up for what's right . And what's wrong.

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Xavier wrote: You're NOT the only one to think that way.

And FTE's analyse is (of course) perfect.

On the business & moral sides, MXDN is a f%/#d up deal.

On the sports side, it remains a great Event.
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Count me in for a bit of that, too. The des Nations is the biggest race on earth for me, but other issues currently overwhelm it.
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Pondo1664 9/30/2009 2:58pm
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DanDunes818 wrote:
The main sponsor is Red Bull.. It's the Red Bull motocross of nations.
I don't give a f*** who sponsors it, they still have the name wrong. It became the "of" before Red Bull came onboard.
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G-man 9/30/2009 2:58pm
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Trip wrote:
All I'm saying if the majority of people really felt like you do, we would have some hype for the race, or at least know who...
All I'm saying if the majority of people really felt like you do, we would have some hype for the race, or at least know who the main sponsor is LOL..


Personally YOU and a few others think its a great race.. People on here the Open is a great race, I'm not much of fan of that race either. It makes either of us right or wrong, I don't care for it, you do, why are you argueing with me over it?

Enjoy the race!!! I mean after all you have looked forward to it the whole year and all......My sights are set on Anaheim 1

ummm the race is in Italy Trip, so why should there be much hype for it over here?

A lot of people here think the GP's are a joke, just shows their ignorance really.

But you are wrong there are more than me and a "FEW OTHERS" that care about it, guess you're reading skills aren't much and I NEVER said I "wait all yr" for it.....

just around this time is when the excitement starts but next yr I will be there!

I will agree the over-hyped US Open is a joke. Which proves PR BS is just that BS! lol
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Trip 9/30/2009 4:21pm
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DanDunes818 wrote:
The main sponsor is Red Bull.. It's the Red Bull motocross of nations.
I get Red Bull sponsors the race.. Question is, who sponsors the U.S. Team??
geordieshaft 9/30/2009 4:40pm
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Isnt James riding that bullshit event ??? "Working for the yankee dollar, working for the yankee dollar" The Skids !!
Poker_Player 9/30/2009 4:48pm
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Why is this thread going if it is the biggest race of the year?
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jamma10 9/30/2009 4:49pm
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DanDunes818 wrote:
The main sponsor is Red Bull.. It's the Red Bull motocross of nations.
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I get Red Bull sponsors the race.. Question is, who sponsors the U.S. Team??
Who gives a shit??? Really? Why do they have to be sponsored?

I refer back to my original post - it sounds to me as though the US media are not making such a song and dance about it because the US are not sending their 'dream team' this year. Hence the reason you, along with many of others (SX die hards probably) aren't caught up in the buzz.

Don't let what you can and can't watch on TV dictate whether something is important or not, your Nationals aren't even live for christs sake. Maybe you need to be having a serious word with your TV production companies?
geordieshaft 9/30/2009 5:03pm
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Motocross / Supercross ?? Baseball / Rounders ?? Same ball, just one of them played by girls !!
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09450f 9/30/2009 7:32pm
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I will be on Freecaster at 6am Sunday!
are you central?

what time pst?anyone

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Who gives a shit??? Really? Why do they have to be sponsored? I refer back to my original post - it sounds to me as though...
Who gives a shit??? Really? Why do they have to be sponsored?

I refer back to my original post - it sounds to me as though the US media are not making such a song and dance about it because the US are not sending their 'dream team' this year. Hence the reason you, along with many of others (SX die hards probably) aren't caught up in the buzz.

Don't let what you can and can't watch on TV dictate whether something is important or not, your Nationals aren't even live for christs sake. Maybe you need to be having a serious word with your TV production companies?
Why do they have to be sponsored?? Isn't the team sponsor the one who foots the bill to get the team overseas? Every year we see pics of gear and graphics with all the sponsors who stepped up, I haven't seen anything yet.. Maybe it's out there, and if I looked I might find it? Usually though, you can't avoid it.

I do agree with almost everything you said.. We do not have a high profile rider on the team. Alessi, RV, JS, or Grant I believe would get some media attention had any one of them gone.

I know that just cause something is on live TV doesn't make it great. Thing is, some are claiming this is the most important race of the year. If any of the networks thought it was, someone would of struck a deal to get it on TV, even a week later... Funny how the mx media that you would think would be driving the hype train, isn't. Just a few guys on a message board pimping the race...

The nationals this year were as close to live as you can get. So it's a step in the right direction..
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PaleBlue 10/1/2009 2:08am
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G-man wrote:
Dang Trip you REALLY ARE A DEBBIE DOWNER aren’t ya? [IMG]http://goldenrule.mlblogs.com/debbie_downer.jpg[/IMG] [b]“It’s a rare time when all the BS in the World with the wars and...
Dang Trip you REALLY ARE A DEBBIE DOWNER aren’t ya?




“It’s a rare time when all the BS in the World with the wars and politics can be cast aside and it’s just one giant luv fest for moto

Sounds good in a storybook, but we didn't go after September 11 now did we?? Guess it doesn't really cast aside whats going on in the real world now does it?”

Let ‘s see 9-11 happened to be the WORST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL IN HISTORY, a lot of stuff happened in the following weeks that never took place before. No Air Traffic for a days and many canceled flights by worried travelers were just a few of them. So yes sending an American team overseas wasn’t in the Team’s best interest so they declined and I agree with that decision. You really got me on that one—good job!

Do you recall when the US team boycotted the Olympics over a disparity with Russia?

Yep so my statement is wrong for pessimists like you as I suppose if you ever went to a Moto D, you would find a way to discredit it along with talking about how bad the economy, politics etc are instead of enjoying an awesome event like no other in the world!


“Some are into it, some are not, I think the guys who are going on about not being a fan of moto if you don't like the MXdN are wrong though. I'm a huge fan and attend as many races as I can. Would I do that if I wasn't a fan? I just have no personal interest in the race and haven't for a long time. MC when he was killing it, didn't go to many of them either, so I guess that 2 of the 3 fastest Americans of all time are not fans of moto? Don't hold everyone to RC's level.”

MC never really liked doing the outdoors from the get-go as SX was easy for him and the outdoors was not. I would not consider him one of the “2 of the 3 fastest Americans of all time:” outside a stadium. You’re theory doesn’t hold water, besides both him and James have been to TWO MotoD’s if my memory is correct.

“Maybe if they picked riders with some personality, I might be a little intrested. Picking vanilla riders isn't the best way to boost support for the team.”

Hmmmmm pure idiocy if you ask me. So it should be a personality contest vs talent huh? In that case Travis Preston, David Pingree and Guy Cooper should be at the top of you’re list. Great guys and riders but not ideal Moto D candidates imo. RC was never known for his bubbling personality, neither was the workhorse Jeff Stanton or the stuck-up Jeff Ward, but as far as their Moto D stature they are at the top. Stanton literally carried the team on his back a few yrs and I witnessed one in Holland I will never forget!


“If James wanted to go, he would be there, he has had all summer off to get ready. If the race meant anything to him, he would go. So if the best rider in the world, doesn't care about the race, then I guess he isn't a fan of moto either?”

James did the right thing, he didn’t do the nationals and didn’t deserve to go, and take a spot from a guy who busted his ass all summer.

The comparisons to an All Star game or exhibition make me laugh as well—you guys are joking right?

The NFL Pro Bowl is an absolute joke and everyone knows it they are just there for a good time, nobody really cares too much about winning, same thing with the NBA All Star game. The MLB All Star game just recently change the rules to TRY to put some relevancy in it but really it’s just a showcase of overpaid prima-donnas

When you get riders who aren’t getting paid to represent their Country and risk life and limb and most have no chance of winning but are glad to be there that is not an exhibition to me. It means these riders have heart and are proud—money and fame take a backseat at this event.


I do have a question for all the Moto D naysayers.
HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TO ONE?

My feeling is none—because if you did you would have a different perspective and if not then you need to check you’re pulse.

GO TEAM USA—I AM BEHIND THEM 100%!
Trip wrote:
I'll just answer your last question for now, I gotta get to work.. How many have I been to? None! I wasn't even going to go...
I'll just answer your last question for now, I gotta get to work..

How many have I been to? None! I wasn't even going to go when it was going to be held at Comp Park, and I live about 45 minutes away.. I did however go to the race that took it's place at Glen Helen. The Gold Cup, I think it was called? It was cool to see the different countries and their fans, but as a race, the whole thing doesn't hold my interest.
If this whole thing holds no interest for you, why are you putting up post after post about it????

Is the need to see you label on this forum so great? If you've no interest, it stands to reason you've no worthwhile opinion. I think I'm beginning to understand why you get dogs abuse on so many threads.

Egocentric - a word to work into your tag line.........
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Dont get me wrong, I love the MXDN, but if we had a REAL World Championship ala MotoGP it would not mean a thing.

Why cant MX get it together like other disciplines of motorcycle racing?

I wish this FIM/AMA divide was over, I've been putting up with this crap since '82.
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As a true fan of the sport I am glad the USA is able to send a team this year. The free live webcast from freecaster.com is amazing. I don't care who makes money from this event......actually I wish more promoters would organize and profit by putting together events like this. Sunday is going to be a great day!
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jamma10 wrote:
Who gives a shit??? Really? Why do they have to be sponsored? I refer back to my original post - it sounds to me as though...
Who gives a shit??? Really? Why do they have to be sponsored?

I refer back to my original post - it sounds to me as though the US media are not making such a song and dance about it because the US are not sending their 'dream team' this year. Hence the reason you, along with many of others (SX die hards probably) aren't caught up in the buzz.

Don't let what you can and can't watch on TV dictate whether something is important or not, your Nationals aren't even live for christs sake. Maybe you need to be having a serious word with your TV production companies?
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Why do they have to be sponsored?? Isn't the team sponsor the one who foots the bill to get the team overseas? Every year we see...
Why do they have to be sponsored?? Isn't the team sponsor the one who foots the bill to get the team overseas? Every year we see pics of gear and graphics with all the sponsors who stepped up, I haven't seen anything yet.. Maybe it's out there, and if I looked I might find it? Usually though, you can't avoid it.

I do agree with almost everything you said.. We do not have a high profile rider on the team. Alessi, RV, JS, or Grant I believe would get some media attention had any one of them gone.

I know that just cause something is on live TV doesn't make it great. Thing is, some are claiming this is the most important race of the year. If any of the networks thought it was, someone would of struck a deal to get it on TV, even a week later... Funny how the mx media that you would think would be driving the hype train, isn't. Just a few guys on a message board pimping the race...

The nationals this year were as close to live as you can get. So it's a step in the right direction..
We do not have a high profile rider on the team. Alessi, RV, JS, or Grant I believe would get some media attention had any one of them gone.

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

Dungey: Lites Champion
Weimer: 2nd fastest American rider in the lites class
Tedesco: Fastest American rider in the 450 class that you could of chosen

Oh and the event is live....throughout Europe. Like jamma10 said, you don't even get your nationals live so maybe you should be quiet.
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PaleBlue 10/1/2009 8:08am
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Dropbear wrote:
Dont get me wrong, I love the MXDN, but if we had a REAL World Championship ala MotoGP it would not mean a thing. Why cant...
Dont get me wrong, I love the MXDN, but if we had a REAL World Championship ala MotoGP it would not mean a thing.

Why cant MX get it together like other disciplines of motorcycle racing?

I wish this FIM/AMA divide was over, I've been putting up with this crap since '82.
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except in the USA Motocross is the (very) poor relation.

Also in the 70's there was a 3 race series held annually in the U.K. , Europe vs USA - awesome! Kenny Roberts , Steve Baker , Pat Hennan and Freddie Spencer etc on 750 2ts!!!
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FreshTopEnd 10/1/2009 8:43am
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PaleBlue wrote:
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except...
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except in the USA Motocross is the (very) poor relation.

Also in the 70's there was a 3 race series held annually in the U.K. , Europe vs USA - awesome! Kenny Roberts , Steve Baker , Pat Hennan and Freddie Spencer etc on 750 2ts!!!
Did you get some words mixed up in there?
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G-man 10/1/2009 12:08pm
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PaleBlue wrote:
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except...
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except in the USA Motocross is the (very) poor relation.

Also in the 70's there was a 3 race series held annually in the U.K. , Europe vs USA - awesome! Kenny Roberts , Steve Baker , Pat Hennan and Freddie Spencer etc on 750 2ts!!!
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Did you get some words mixed up in there?
That's what I thought, couldn't figure it out.... Dry
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Trip 10/1/2009 5:59pm
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We do not have a high profile rider on the team. Alessi, RV, JS, or Grant I believe would get some media attention had any one...
We do not have a high profile rider on the team. Alessi, RV, JS, or Grant I believe would get some media attention had any one of them gone.

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

Dungey: Lites Champion
Weimer: 2nd fastest American rider in the lites class
Tedesco: Fastest American rider in the 450 class that you could of chosen

Oh and the event is live....throughout Europe. Like jamma10 said, you don't even get your nationals live so maybe you should be quiet.
Wait a second, Jason Lawrence wins a 250f title and everyone says it isn't a real title. Dungey wins one and all of the sudden it means something..I'm so confused...

Fast doesn't mean high profile.. There is a difference....I wouldn't call Tedesco the fastest American rider that we could of chosen. Using the bs that you must ride the outdoors to be considered for the MXdN is crap.

I could careless if the nationals are live or not.. I actually missed most of this years nationals because they were semi live. I saw more when they were taped. So you bagging on the nationals being live means jack to me.. If you want to talk to someone who might care what you think about our outdoor season, go email DC.. Oh and the nationals are a weekly event, not a one off race...

And to PlaeBlue, I keep talking about because people keep bringing my name up. I see your new around here, so I'll let you in on how a message board works.... You see people post an opinion, every now and then people will disagree, then it goes back and forth for a few minutes, hours, days, sometimes weeks. It's just the way it works. I had an opinion, some don't agree so we have a conversation about it.. It's pretty much the way all message boards work.. Your welcome....
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PaleBlue 10/2/2009 1:46am
10/2/2009 1:46am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:28am
PaleBlue wrote:
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except...
The FIM/ AMA divide is also there in the road racing world. The diference is that in the money sport nobody's buying the AMA's crap. Except in the USA Motocross is the (very) poor relation.

Also in the 70's there was a 3 race series held annually in the U.K. , Europe vs USA - awesome! Kenny Roberts , Steve Baker , Pat Hennan and Freddie Spencer etc on 750 2ts!!!
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Did you get some words mixed up in there?
Sorry ! Apart from in the USA, Motocross is the (very) poor relation. Better I think.
Or was it the reference to Road Racing as "the money sport" that confused you?

Or maybe the Transatlantic Trophy stuff? Race meetings at Brands Hatch, Mallory Park and Oulton Park on successive weekends around Easter each year.

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