Where would Chiz and KR be if they never switched bike brands

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DEMONDAVE wrote:
IMO i think both will improve , Ken greatly will better his 8TH place finish. weltin is who im saying WTF didnt see anything on the...

IMO i think both will improve , Ken greatly will better his 8TH place finish.

weltin is who im saying WTF didnt see anything on the broadcast other than running very deep in the pack 

According to Ansties post race interview with Lewis, he landed on Weltin in qualifying. Cant believe we never heard anything about this but id guess that might have had something to do with Weltins ride last week.

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Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

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Phil109 wrote:
Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

He rode the clubMX bike, close enough. 

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Phil109 wrote:
Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

He rode the clubMX bike, close enough. 

He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was a media demo bike, Club was just a convenient location for the test.

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Phil109 wrote:
Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

He rode the clubMX bike, close enough. 

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2/10/2023 12:14pm Edited Date/Time 2/10/2023 12:18pm
brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

He rode the clubMX bike, close enough. 

He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was...

He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was a media demo bike, Club was just a convenient location for the test.

Bike wasn't stock at all. It had, wheels, clamps, suspension, exhaust etc. 

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He rode the clubMX bike, close enough. 

He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was...

He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was a media demo bike, Club was just a convenient location for the test.

Bike wasn't stock at all. It had, wheels, clamps, suspension, exhaust etc. 

oh wow so he had the same factory parts as he does on his HEP bike or Joey has on his RWR bike.... 

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Phil109 wrote:
Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

So on the Firepower Honda you say he was flying. He beat Tomac at WSX. 

Then on a Zook at A2 he beats Tomac. 

Yet somehow you thing he would be 5-10% better. You realize that is 2.5-5 seconds faster PER LAP (based on a 50 second lap). 

If we say 5-10 better results wise, not lap time wise, then it is still outrageous. There are 22 guys in the main. 5% of that is 1.1 places. 10% would be 2.2  

Your take is comical. 

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2/10/2023 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 2/10/2023 12:41pm
He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was...

He rode a stock 2023 bike at ClubMX.... Brandon from Club said himself they didnt even have any 23s for themselves at that point... it was a media demo bike, Club was just a convenient location for the test.

Bike wasn't stock at all. It had, wheels, clamps, suspension, exhaust etc. 

oh wow so he had the same factory parts as he does on his HEP bike or Joey has on his RWR bike.... 

Relax. I was just pointing out the bike WAS NOT STOCK as you had claimed. Stock vs Modified is pretty cut and dry here regardless of where the parts came from. 

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I think last week if Chiz could have hit the button and started right away, he would have made the main in that LCQ. On another...

I think last week if Chiz could have hit the button and started right away, he would have made the main in that LCQ. On another brand, he may not have even been in that situation, maybe further ahead, maybe further behind. But just using that exact instance as an example....and I'm not hating on kickstarters as I still only have "older" two strokes that are kick only.

And so what?  Knowing you’re 5th in the last turn of the  LCQ is the spot to avoid.  As it was it was like the 7th guy that ended up taking the last spot in that LCQ with or without buttons.

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Phil109 wrote:
Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

You have him winning on the Yamaha ….by a mile no less.  I guess To protect Eli Yamaha made sure Ken couldn’t get a ride on one.  L

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I think Chiz is still getting comfortable, not a big enough sample size for Ken- A2 was awesome but he regressed last weekend. Hopefully not the...

I think Chiz is still getting comfortable, not a big enough sample size for Ken- A2 was awesome but he regressed last weekend. Hopefully not the start of the KR fade that has plagued his last few seasons (I’m a KR fan too!)

Funny thing what starts do for results.  Webb seems to have “regressed” last week as well.  Best sample of this was Nicoletti at the triple crown, 1 good start lead most of race, 2 not so good starts way back in pack.  Not a coincidence.  

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Phil109 wrote:
Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a...

Yes to both. Ken was flying on that firepower Honda and the star bike compared to the zook is no contest. I’d give them both a 5-10% gain results wise with better equipment. Not knocking the zooks but it is what it is. 

brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

You have him winning on the Yamaha ….by a mile no less.  I guess To protect Eli Yamaha made sure Ken couldn’t get a ride on...

You have him winning on the Yamaha ….by a mile no less.  I guess To protect Eli Yamaha made sure Ken couldn’t get a ride on one.  L

No ,I am saying if he was 10% faster like the other poster said he would have won all the races. I think he is doing well on the Suzuki and will get more podium s by the end of the year 

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2/10/2023 9:20pm Edited Date/Time 2/10/2023 9:20pm

Remember just a few short weeks ago Ken directly said he had no intention of riding the Suzuki, but went to the test since he had committed to it.....and then felt right at home and was in love with the bike?  Enough said as he could have chosen almost any color in the fall.  No matter what, he has to own that and we will see if he sees it through.  

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Ken would be right where Ken is at which is the same spot he has been the last couple years.  Nothing has changed 

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2/10/2023 11:25pm

Kenny has had arguably the best factory effort working for him for the past six seasons and he couldn’t make it work. (No need to mention the injuries- that’s exactly the point- crashing is ‘not working’)

so far, there’s no question that Kenny’s year is more successful than his last year. By this point last year he had scored two rides OITSIDE of the top ten. 
and given that he dropped out last year after 8(?) rounds, it isn’t going to be hard for him to  finish this one off in a better position.

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brimx153 wrote:
He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e...

He never rode the star bike. And if you give him 5 - 10 % he wins every race by a mile. Even his worse e result last wk is no way near 5% off winning.  

You have him winning on the Yamaha ….by a mile no less.  I guess To protect Eli Yamaha made sure Ken couldn’t get a ride on...

You have him winning on the Yamaha ….by a mile no less.  I guess To protect Eli Yamaha made sure Ken couldn’t get a ride on one.  L

brimx153 wrote:
No ,I am saying if he was 10% faster like the other poster said he would have won all the races. I think he is doing...

No ,I am saying if he was 10% faster like the other poster said he would have won all the races. I think he is doing well on the Suzuki and will get more podium s by the end of the year 

Gotcha.  Yeah 10% would have him lapping (or close to it) Eli.  1% faster would still be 10 seconds better at the end of a main.  People look at Ken winning Paris and my take on that is Eli was not going 100% of what he does in SX that counts.  There is no way to quantify this type of stuff.  Do we really think part of Ken’s decision process wasn’t riding bikes back to back and looking at lap times?  The lengths they go through to test I can’t believe there wasn’t a ton of analysis like this to make the decision.  Think Eli was gambling switching to Star?  He knew exactly how much better he was on the Star bike before he signed the contract.  I think he would have retired if he found that he was fastest on the Kawasaki.

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Magoofan wrote:
....and here come the "trash Suzuki" in ....3.....2.....1.... [img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/tXL4FHPSnVJ0A/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47guaf8kx1k9lf3gzyjpklif8vcwa34ex7lp531wvv&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/img]  

....and here come the "trash Suzuki" in ....3.....2.....1....

 

Rosso391 wrote:
Well....when you have a manufacturer that clearly doesn't put forth the effort of their competition. Of course there will be trash talk. Suzuki doesn't care about...

Well....when you have a manufacturer that clearly doesn't put forth the effort of their competition. Of course there will be trash talk. Suzuki doesn't care about the moto side anymore. And its been obvious since 2017.

I don't understand the down votes to this. For all the loyalty Suzuki riders have given this company, for all the heritage this company has, for the herculean effort the racing teams have put forth, that the main company puts forth zero to minimal effort is a betrayal. I understand the riders that love their Suzukis, that's great for you all, and the bike is competitive...still, blah, blah, blah. But the company is giving nothing back, shitting on your loyalty. They put shit into the racing teams, despite so much potential, and they put shit into development of the bike. Bag on Austria all you want, they promote National and World MX/SX teams, Moto1/Moto2/MotoGP teams, AMA national flat track team, AMA national Enduro team, AMA national GNCC team, Hare and Hound team, Dakar team, Enduro Cross team, on and on, all these activities puts the sport we all love in a positive healthy activity environment type light. What does Suzuki do to promote the sport that Suzuki itself has used to get where the company is at, a multi-billion dollar, multi-national company much larger than Austria's effort? To all the Suzuki loyalist imagine if all the other manufacturers put such little effort into the sport? Suzuki, the company, gives no shit about your loyalty as a consumer.

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Magoofan wrote:
....and here come the "trash Suzuki" in ....3.....2.....1.... [img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/tXL4FHPSnVJ0A/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47guaf8kx1k9lf3gzyjpklif8vcwa34ex7lp531wvv&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/img]  

....and here come the "trash Suzuki" in ....3.....2.....1....

 

Rosso391 wrote:
Well....when you have a manufacturer that clearly doesn't put forth the effort of their competition. Of course there will be trash talk. Suzuki doesn't care about...

Well....when you have a manufacturer that clearly doesn't put forth the effort of their competition. Of course there will be trash talk. Suzuki doesn't care about the moto side anymore. And its been obvious since 2017.

Nobody forced any rider to sign at that team. Cant have it both ways. That bikes not holding any rider back.
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Remember just a few short weeks ago Ken directly said he had no intention of riding the Suzuki, but went to the test since he had...

Remember just a few short weeks ago Ken directly said he had no intention of riding the Suzuki, but went to the test since he had committed to it.....and then felt right at home and was in love with the bike?  Enough said as he could have chosen almost any color in the fall.  No matter what, he has to own that and we will see if he sees it through.  

 I don't know if you are entirely correct with this. It was made clear his relationship with RedBull made any negotiations with many teams murky at best. I believe PC stated they couldn't pay him, Club MX stated they didn't want him, and firepower Honda admitted the HEP Suzuki offer was much more lucrative for Roczen. That Mr. Roczen competed with and beat Tomac in off season races on the firepower Honda offers an example that perhaps he chose the Suzuki for the money not the bike. If someone is paying you millions to ride a bike, are you really going to call it shit first thing?

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Remember just a few short weeks ago Ken directly said he had no intention of riding the Suzuki, but went to the test since he had...

Remember just a few short weeks ago Ken directly said he had no intention of riding the Suzuki, but went to the test since he had committed to it.....and then felt right at home and was in love with the bike?  Enough said as he could have chosen almost any color in the fall.  No matter what, he has to own that and we will see if he sees it through.  

Spoonguy wrote:
 I don't know if you are entirely correct with this. It was made clear his relationship with RedBull made any negotiations with many teams murky at...

 I don't know if you are entirely correct with this. It was made clear his relationship with RedBull made any negotiations with many teams murky at best. I believe PC stated they couldn't pay him, Club MX stated they didn't want him, and firepower Honda admitted the HEP Suzuki offer was much more lucrative for Roczen. That Mr. Roczen competed with and beat Tomac in off season races on the firepower Honda offers an example that perhaps he chose the Suzuki for the money not the bike. If someone is paying you millions to ride a bike, are you really going to call it shit first thing?

Dont complain then if you chose the $$ option.
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Who is complaining?

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Spoonguy wrote:

Who is complaining?

If the bike starts becoming an excuse, people will complain.
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Kenny would be winning if he went with Fire Power Honda

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Kenny would be winning if he went with Fire Power Honda

If if if if. , But he isnt and you dont know how he would do.
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Magoofan wrote:
....and here come the "trash Suzuki" in ....3.....2.....1.... [img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/tXL4FHPSnVJ0A/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47guaf8kx1k9lf3gzyjpklif8vcwa34ex7lp531wvv&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/img]  

....and here come the "trash Suzuki" in ....3.....2.....1....

 

Rosso391 wrote:
Well....when you have a manufacturer that clearly doesn't put forth the effort of their competition. Of course there will be trash talk. Suzuki doesn't care about...

Well....when you have a manufacturer that clearly doesn't put forth the effort of their competition. Of course there will be trash talk. Suzuki doesn't care about the moto side anymore. And its been obvious since 2017.

Spoonguy wrote:
I don't understand the down votes to this. For all the loyalty Suzuki riders have given this company, for all the heritage this company has, for...

I don't understand the down votes to this. For all the loyalty Suzuki riders have given this company, for all the heritage this company has, for the herculean effort the racing teams have put forth, that the main company puts forth zero to minimal effort is a betrayal. I understand the riders that love their Suzukis, that's great for you all, and the bike is competitive...still, blah, blah, blah. But the company is giving nothing back, shitting on your loyalty. They put shit into the racing teams, despite so much potential, and they put shit into development of the bike. Bag on Austria all you want, they promote National and World MX/SX teams, Moto1/Moto2/MotoGP teams, AMA national flat track team, AMA national Enduro team, AMA national GNCC team, Hare and Hound team, Dakar team, Enduro Cross team, on and on, all these activities puts the sport we all love in a positive healthy activity environment type light. What does Suzuki do to promote the sport that Suzuki itself has used to get where the company is at, a multi-billion dollar, multi-national company much larger than Austria's effort? To all the Suzuki loyalist imagine if all the other manufacturers put such little effort into the sport? Suzuki, the company, gives no shit about your loyalty as a consumer.

I have a Suzuki outboard on my shrimp boat.

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In this day and age she could be both. 

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