Is Motonews/mototalk dead?

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30$ or whatever it is to post on a forum..... yeah right. I never did get suckered into that one.
I viewed that board since around '05.

I'm so thankful I found this place Smile It's my home.
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Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and posted live from the race. They got in trouble with the SX guys later that week, and started running it more like it is today. Somewhere along the way they ran across Steve and he wanted to be involved.

Lucky gave Hutch ownership of MotoNews when Hutch left the race team.

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Hopefully, Michael's yanking our chain ???
No joke. No idea why either.
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Not that I think there's any connection, but the great years already ebbing away by then. I think good experiences with a good group of people just run in cycles; there's a good period and then people move on or run out of things to say or get on each other's nerves. It was a product of times that can't really be recreated. No more than you could recreate Fresh Dirt.

And, you know, what I enjoyed about it when it was "on" may be what people who came on then and later felt, and that's fine. But they need more people to have any kind of critical mass.

This place has had a remarkable run for a web community, and a lot of credit for that goes to Gibby's stability and patience in letting folks have just enough run of the place.
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Holigan wrote:
Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and...
Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and posted live from the race. They got in trouble with the SX guys later that week, and started running it more like it is today. Somewhere along the way they ran across Steve and he wanted to be involved.

Lucky gave Hutch ownership of MotoNews when Hutch left the race team.
More useless ancient trivia.

Lucky launched MN shortly after he, Hutch and I had a sit down at the LCS shop to talk about putting LCS Racing on the internet way back in the WI! days of 1996-1997. LCS was an original sponsor of Whip It! (parts for placement). Having the technical aptitude they did, they studied up and figured out how to do it without my help.

Bruhn offered his services to WI! a short time later. Basically if I would by him a digital SLR and front him some expense cash, he would file reports from all the race venues. I politely refused, having already decided the ROI on an MX site (as anything more than a labor of love) would not justify a formal business effort. (We'd been recruiting and paying expenses for average joes for a couple of years without making a profit, at that point). I realized that the only way to justify the effort was to do it in conjunction with an established brick and mortar presence like a shop, mail order house or west coast magazine.

Teef's setup with Continental uniquely positioned him to fly to almost every event for free. No one else could have done what he did (and had anything to eat, anyway). We might have our differences, but he made a significant contribution to the sport where no one else could have.

He then approached Lucky and Hutch with, I guess, the same offer, and that was how that all got going.
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9/22/2009 9:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 2:19am
Holigan wrote:
Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and...
Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and posted live from the race. They got in trouble with the SX guys later that week, and started running it more like it is today. Somewhere along the way they ran across Steve and he wanted to be involved.

Lucky gave Hutch ownership of MotoNews when Hutch left the race team.
In the interest of maintaining an accurate representation of history:



Actually that was myself and the infamous Mikeee P doing the posting of news from SX and MX events on Whip It!, long before Lucky and Hutch put up motonews. We got a c&d letter from Cycle News' attorney who alleged, falsely, that we were lifting their results and reprinting them. They also got our press credentials torpedoed with Roy Jansen and CCE/Pace. We did Whip It! from late 1994 on through about 1998. Motosnooze came a around in about 97.

Whip It! basically took contributions from anyone willing to help. Eric Johnson, Mike Showen, Duke Finch, DC, Eric Gorr, FMF, Primal Impulse, JT, LCS, Lex Valasakos (later of supercross.com), Cody Landers (later of motocross.com), Larry Lawrence at AMA Pro Racing, and Moose/A-loop...shit...how could I forget?!? AND Steve Giberson! (I keep coming back and editing as I remember more people) all provided sponsorship or content in one form or another and we relied on volunteer spectators to call us from the events and tell us what was going on, which we would turn around an post on the site (this was way before the widespread availability of forum software like PHPBB, etc). Sort of a stone-age Twitter. We gave contributors props on the site and a long distance phone card for their help. That's really all there was to it. Eric Johnson was the original source (in secret, for the most part; he didn't want to piss anyone off), of the original Fresh Dirt. Mike took it on later. When my business interests took me in another direction, I laid Whip It! to rest and agreed to let Mike have the freshdirt moniker for his own use to continue doing what he was doing. I also put up a forum at dirtbike.com, which sustained itself until I sold that domain name in 2004.

Where did the infamous MikeeeP come from? Well, Mike had been an active fixture on the newsgroup rec.motorcycles.dirt (newsgroups were pre-cursors to forums like this one) and on AOL. He just emailed me out of the clear blue one day after Whip It! had been going for a few months and asked if he could help. I said, "Why not?". I've actually only met the guy face to face twice. It would be futile to try to defend him to his many haters up here, not to mention I wasn't there when he was torquing everyone. But I will say he has always been square and earnest with me.

DC wrote up a little piece in Racer X about Whip It! about 8-9 years ago.

The best quote ever? Jeff Emig, "Whip It!? You're Whip It!? That's where I found out I was riding for Kawasaki next year!". That was cool.
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9/22/2009 9:21pm
Holigan, Whipmeister....thanks for the MT history! I wasn't hip to how MT originated so that was some interesting stuff!

What's Lucky's doing now...did he start up a company that made some type of mx performance part?
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I paid the $30 bucks for a year, and got my money's worth. But you can't really beat Vital. There are a few fucktards around here (MX7MX) but it's not near as bad as I expected.
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mooch wrote:
Holigan, Whipmeister....thanks for the MT history! I wasn't hip to how MT originated so that was some interesting stuff! What's Lucky's doing now...did he start up...
Holigan, Whipmeister....thanks for the MT history! I wasn't hip to how MT originated so that was some interesting stuff!

What's Lucky's doing now...did he start up a company that made some type of mx performance part?
I saw him at Home Depot the other day. He looked fit and happy with the missus. Was building a fence.
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9/22/2009 10:59pm
I didn't know this post would turn to be that interesting. Thanks guys. I'm surprise TFS "racetime" hasn't post yet.
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9/22/2009 11:05pm Edited Date/Time 9/22/2009 11:05pm
Yup, it was touching douchebag walk down memory lane. Now if we could get them to go back across the tracks, maybe some of the hand jobs will follow and we won't have a 100 "HEY DC let me gargle" threads.
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9/22/2009 11:11pm
crowe176 wrote:
Yup, it was touching douchebag walk down memory lane. Now if we could get them to go back across the tracks, maybe some of the hand...
Yup, it was touching douchebag walk down memory lane. Now if we could get them to go back across the tracks, maybe some of the hand jobs will follow and we won't have a 100 "HEY DC let me gargle" threads.
Fat chance....
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9/23/2009 6:25am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2009 6:31am
My favorite memories of Motonews were the old Motodrive guys pounding the crap out of the holier than thou mods, the industry know it alls and those who were attached to their nuts.

Whippy wasn't it you who directed motonews.com to motodrive? Classic
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rocrac wrote:
My favorite memories of Motonews were the old Motodrive guys pounding the crap out of the holier than thou mods, the industry know it alls and...
My favorite memories of Motonews were the old Motodrive guys pounding the crap out of the holier than thou mods, the industry know it alls and those who were attached to their nuts.

Whippy wasn't it you who directed motonews.com to motodrive? Classic
mototalk.com lands here. I was ready to give it to Hutch when Teef went ballistic on me.
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Holigan wrote:
Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and...
Lucky was the original owner of MotoNews. Hutch worked for him at LCS and basically ran MotoNews for him. They went to a SX race and posted live from the race. They got in trouble with the SX guys later that week, and started running it more like it is today. Somewhere along the way they ran across Steve and he wanted to be involved.

Lucky gave Hutch ownership of MotoNews when Hutch left the race team.
In the interest of maintaining an accurate representation of history:Actually that was myself and the infamous Mikeee P doing the posting of news from SX and...
In the interest of maintaining an accurate representation of history:



Actually that was myself and the infamous Mikeee P doing the posting of news from SX and MX events on Whip It!, long before Lucky and Hutch put up motonews. We got a c&d letter from Cycle News' attorney who alleged, falsely, that we were lifting their results and reprinting them. They also got our press credentials torpedoed with Roy Jansen and CCE/Pace. We did Whip It! from late 1994 on through about 1998. Motosnooze came a around in about 97.

Whip It! basically took contributions from anyone willing to help. Eric Johnson, Mike Showen, Duke Finch, DC, Eric Gorr, FMF, Primal Impulse, JT, LCS, Lex Valasakos (later of supercross.com), Cody Landers (later of motocross.com), Larry Lawrence at AMA Pro Racing, and Moose/A-loop...shit...how could I forget?!? AND Steve Giberson! (I keep coming back and editing as I remember more people) all provided sponsorship or content in one form or another and we relied on volunteer spectators to call us from the events and tell us what was going on, which we would turn around an post on the site (this was way before the widespread availability of forum software like PHPBB, etc). Sort of a stone-age Twitter. We gave contributors props on the site and a long distance phone card for their help. That's really all there was to it. Eric Johnson was the original source (in secret, for the most part; he didn't want to piss anyone off), of the original Fresh Dirt. Mike took it on later. When my business interests took me in another direction, I laid Whip It! to rest and agreed to let Mike have the freshdirt moniker for his own use to continue doing what he was doing. I also put up a forum at dirtbike.com, which sustained itself until I sold that domain name in 2004.

Where did the infamous MikeeeP come from? Well, Mike had been an active fixture on the newsgroup rec.motorcycles.dirt (newsgroups were pre-cursors to forums like this one) and on AOL. He just emailed me out of the clear blue one day after Whip It! had been going for a few months and asked if he could help. I said, "Why not?". I've actually only met the guy face to face twice. It would be futile to try to defend him to his many haters up here, not to mention I wasn't there when he was torquing everyone. But I will say he has always been square and earnest with me.

DC wrote up a little piece in Racer X about Whip It! about 8-9 years ago.

The best quote ever? Jeff Emig, "Whip It!? You're Whip It!? That's where I found out I was riding for Kawasaki next year!". That was cool.
that mde me smile a bit jess...thanks
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9/23/2009 7:53am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2009 7:55am
JW381 wrote:
I paid the $30 bucks for a year, and got my money's worth. But you can't really beat Vital. There are a few fucktards around here...
I paid the $30 bucks for a year, and got my money's worth. But you can't really beat Vital. There are a few fucktards around here (MX7MX) but it's not near as bad as I expected.
mototalk was always a good place and still is just not as popular. tfs tore it down to build up racetime and now there are 2 tore down places. shame...vital is nothing like motodrive too but it is pretty big and has plenty of know nothing know it alls that are basically what give motocross a bad name. lottsa assclowns here, no different than any other place. guyb does an extraordinary job here if you ask me though...tough work.

thing about poser fucktards is they come and go...real fucktards like flarider and trip and me stick around a lot longer
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crowe176 wrote:
Yup, it was touching douchebag walk down memory lane. Now if we could get them to go back across the tracks, maybe some of the hand...
Yup, it was touching douchebag walk down memory lane. Now if we could get them to go back across the tracks, maybe some of the hand jobs will follow and we won't have a 100 "HEY DC let me gargle" threads.
LMAO!
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good thing is there are enough bobbym-isms to go around for both MT and vital Smile
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and there's more to come you bungbucket
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and there's more to come you bungbucket
that didn't sound right bobby. not right at all.
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In comparison of the two, I believe Nerd has already last longer as a moderator on this site than he did as a Mod on MotoTalk.
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BobbyM wrote:
and there's more to come you bungbucket
peelout719 wrote:
that didn't sound right bobby. not right at all.
is bung-miner better? Wink can't hit a home run everytime my friend.
9/23/2009 11:17am
I remember going there for the first time in 2003' and signing up. TFS, Yes, BobbyM, 500Guy, MXRinger, Shyla, MXPrincess, SND, MotoChris, Mutt, Shenzi, and a variety of others I'm not thinking about right now pretty much dominated the place. I enjoyed it a lot back then. Always excited to come to work and read the next morning. I let my membership die this year. It's just not what it used to be and it got so saturated with (Bobby M's words: poser fucktards) that it just became almost annoying at times to even click it. I like Vital...can't beat the price! Wink
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BobbyM wrote:
and there's more to come you bungbucket
peelout719 wrote:
that didn't sound right bobby. not right at all.
BobbyM wrote:
is bung-miner better? Wink can't hit a home run everytime my friend.
I don't care what you guys say, that's some funny shit.
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BobbyM wrote:
mototalk was always a good place and still is just not as popular. tfs tore it down to build up racetime and now there are 2...
mototalk was always a good place and still is just not as popular. tfs tore it down to build up racetime and now there are 2 tore down places. shame...vital is nothing like motodrive too but it is pretty big and has plenty of know nothing know it alls that are basically what give motocross a bad name. lottsa assclowns here, no different than any other place. guyb does an extraordinary job here if you ask me though...tough work.

thing about poser fucktards is they come and go...real fucktards like flarider and trip and me stick around a lot longer
There are still enough people looking at MT for it to achieve a second wind. But that's out of the control of the Motonews members.
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I got kicked off of Motonews when I challenged TFS on the seat bounce. It's funny because that is what brought me on board to message boards, the seat bounce debate. I came on and totally agreed with TFS and I was his best buddy. Then I came to an opposite conclusion, showed the equations, and got banned.

I discussed seat bouncing with other Engineers that ride motorcycles, not necessarily motocross rider, but this one guy has a keen understanding of physics, and the physical inputs from the body into the motorcycle. I can vividly remember discussing the Travis Preston seat bounce picture and the Engineer says: "Look at his body, as soon as he rocks even his hips forward he's unloading his weight from the rear to the front and initiating the rebound of the shock. If the shock begins to rebound prior to the rear wheel leaving the ground, even for a milli-second, it's adding to the vertical velocity of the trajectory."

With some rough calculations based on the photo series and suspension travel, it was evident that the shock rebounded at an average rate of 2.7 ft/sec in the vertical direction. That's an average rebound velocity, and obviously the first few inches of rebound are much faster than the final few inches in the stroke of the shock.

Even after all the equations, and all the math, the only rebuttal I could get was: "You're wrong." "Wrong equation" Blah Blah Blah..........No science to rebute, just name calling and a click.

I learned more about tyranny than physics. And for that I am grateful.

I never did get my refund for services not rendered. Communist Bastards!

Never did go back, and it's been downhill ever since from what I hear. TFS left and started racetime and seatbounce.com both of which are failures.

I thought he went back to working for NASA or something? Too bad for NASA and yet another waste of taxpayer dollars.

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I got kicked off of Motonews when I challenged TFS on the seat bounce. It's funny because that is what brought me on board to message...
I got kicked off of Motonews when I challenged TFS on the seat bounce. It's funny because that is what brought me on board to message boards, the seat bounce debate. I came on and totally agreed with TFS and I was his best buddy. Then I came to an opposite conclusion, showed the equations, and got banned.

I discussed seat bouncing with other Engineers that ride motorcycles, not necessarily motocross rider, but this one guy has a keen understanding of physics, and the physical inputs from the body into the motorcycle. I can vividly remember discussing the Travis Preston seat bounce picture and the Engineer says: "Look at his body, as soon as he rocks even his hips forward he's unloading his weight from the rear to the front and initiating the rebound of the shock. If the shock begins to rebound prior to the rear wheel leaving the ground, even for a milli-second, it's adding to the vertical velocity of the trajectory."

With some rough calculations based on the photo series and suspension travel, it was evident that the shock rebounded at an average rate of 2.7 ft/sec in the vertical direction. That's an average rebound velocity, and obviously the first few inches of rebound are much faster than the final few inches in the stroke of the shock.

Even after all the equations, and all the math, the only rebuttal I could get was: "You're wrong." "Wrong equation" Blah Blah Blah..........No science to rebute, just name calling and a click.

I learned more about tyranny than physics. And for that I am grateful.

I never did get my refund for services not rendered. Communist Bastards!

Never did go back, and it's been downhill ever since from what I hear. TFS left and started racetime and seatbounce.com both of which are failures.

I thought he went back to working for NASA or something? Too bad for NASA and yet another waste of taxpayer dollars.

please...STFU now.

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