Trump is in…it’s official

11/23/2022 9:38am
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Equal opportunity is just that. Two people have the same opportunity. Like in Motocross. All starting at the same gate. Now, imagine my kid and yours...
Equal opportunity is just that. Two people have the same opportunity. Like in Motocross. All starting at the same gate.

Now, imagine my kid and yours are in the same class in school. They both are smart, but mine’s a little smarter than yours ( or if you prefer you can switch them in your mind). But while your kid is working his tail off studying and doing homework, mine is playing games in his phone and sleeping in class. Puts out very little effort.

At the end of the semester, the teacher decides it’s not fair for my kid to fail, and yours to get straight A’s, so he takes away from your kid’s scores and gives them to mine, so they both get a C.

Maybe you’d be happy with that, but not me ( in either way you wanted it to play out )

That’s the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome.

That example has nothing to do with structural inequality. It's obviously better for someone to go to a wealthy private school than a school in the hood. And the point of bringing that up is to come up with a minimum standard that gives people a chance because with the current system many people are ruined before they ever begin. This isn't important just from a moral stand point but from talent accumulation. The current system wastes potential talent by never cultivating it. The world would be better with 10 million more intelligent people, but those people have to be created and raised they don't come from no where.
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11/23/2022 9:46am
ToolMaker wrote:
What is "a decent wage"?
70k
So if teachers in my area make more than $70K, should they give it back to the other teachers that make less?
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11/23/2022 11:04am
Isn’t democratic socialist like saying department of redundancy department ?
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11/23/2022 11:30am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2022 11:53am
I thought for sure those socialist were still in that room bossing each other around over pronouns from last year.
I about shot my drink out my nose when I heard some of those clips as ringtones from a strangers phone.
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11/23/2022 2:51pm
ToolMaker wrote:
What is "a decent wage"?
70k
ToolMaker wrote:
So if teachers in my area make more than $70K, should they give it back to the other teachers that make less?
TM
Damn, 70k to only work 9 months out of the year? Sign me up. Even if they did that, teachers would be beating down their door to get those jobs and supply and demand would bring the wage down.
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11/23/2022 3:07pm
I would take trump over Biden but I hope like hell he doesn’t get the nominee. He makes the republican patty look like a joke.
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11/23/2022 4:57pm
70k
ToolMaker wrote:
So if teachers in my area make more than $70K, should they give it back to the other teachers that make less?
TM
Damn, 70k to only work 9 months out of the year? Sign me up. Even if they did that, teachers would be beating down their door...
Damn, 70k to only work 9 months out of the year? Sign me up. Even if they did that, teachers would be beating down their door to get those jobs and supply and demand would bring the wage down.
What about the schools who's graduating class, less than 30% can't read and write or do math at 7th grade level?
And many not even at a 5th grade level. How much are those teachers worth?
I am all for good teachers but for sure even the good teachers can't like all the ones that just pass kids along.
And don't try to claim it's that they are under paid. Charter schools produce better educated students with less resources
then the mainstream public school.
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11/23/2022 5:49pm
We need better parents. I wish I could hold my kids more accountable than I do but it's tough with all the outside influences. I'm trying like hell though.
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We need better parents. I wish I could hold my kids more accountable than I do but it's tough with all the outside influences. I'm trying like hell though.
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11/23/2022 5:53pm
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time in 50 years
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11/23/2022 7:35pm
zehn wrote:
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time...
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time in 50 years
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years.

I am not wanting an argument, I am just genuinely curious as to why some people are so excited to see more democrats in congress? Did democrats do something really good in the past few years that I am unaware of?

Like I mentioned I am not looking for an argument of left vs right debate, just looking for some actual facts of how the democrats have helped average people in the United States this past couple years.
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11/23/2022 9:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/23/2022 9:35pm
rc51 wrote:
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years. I am not wanting an argument, I am just...
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years.

I am not wanting an argument, I am just genuinely curious as to why some people are so excited to see more democrats in congress? Did democrats do something really good in the past few years that I am unaware of?

Like I mentioned I am not looking for an argument of left vs right debate, just looking for some actual facts of how the democrats have helped average people in the United States this past couple years.
This is not about left vs. right. In the House race, Peltola ran and won as a moderate Democrat against a Moderate Republican and a Trump Republican. Her platform is similar to other Alaskan moderates, regardless of their party affiliation. She beat Sarah Palin (lol) by 7 points when the two Republican candidates split the vote.

In the Senate race, Murkowski (a centrist/moderate Republican) beat Tshibaka, another Trump Republican.

These races were about a repudiation of Trump and his candidates, which is why I posted it in the Trump thread
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11/23/2022 9:35pm
zehn wrote:
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time...
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time in 50 years
rc51 wrote:
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years. I am not wanting an argument, I am just...
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years.

I am not wanting an argument, I am just genuinely curious as to why some people are so excited to see more democrats in congress? Did democrats do something really good in the past few years that I am unaware of?

Like I mentioned I am not looking for an argument of left vs right debate, just looking for some actual facts of how the democrats have helped average people in the United States this past couple years.
They brought in a lot of folks from other areas so you can have an almost free gardner and house cleaner. Maybe put some other folks out of work or force them to work very cheap. But it saves you money, right? It's all perspective.
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11/24/2022 3:04am
zehn wrote:
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time...
Two Trumpers lost in Alaska today, one of the most consistently red states in the country 👍 Peltola flipped a House seat for the first time in 50 years
rc51 wrote:
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years. I am not wanting an argument, I am just...
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years.

I am not wanting an argument, I am just genuinely curious as to why some people are so excited to see more democrats in congress? Did democrats do something really good in the past few years that I am unaware of?

Like I mentioned I am not looking for an argument of left vs right debate, just looking for some actual facts of how the democrats have helped average people in the United States this past couple years.
It's not about wanting more Democrats. It's about wanting less Trumpers.
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11/24/2022 3:15am
I have never voted in my life because it has never affected me in one way or the other. I also don't pay attention to anything unless it hampers my money making abiity. I honestly care more about my Fantasy Football team than I do a bunch of rigged shit that gets people all worked up, over a predetermined result where my vote doesn't even matter.
With that said if Todd ran I would sign up to vote for him. Yes he's a dog and likes cheese. But at the same time he's a straight shooter and stands behind what he believes
in....which is cheese. Class act "Vote Todd" in 2024.


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Hey NorCal does Todd need a running mate?
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11/27/2022 7:16am
rc51 wrote:
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years. I am not wanting an argument, I am just...
I live a pretty secluded lifestyle so I may have missed something about the past couple years.

I am not wanting an argument, I am just genuinely curious as to why some people are so excited to see more democrats in congress? Did democrats do something really good in the past few years that I am unaware of?

Like I mentioned I am not looking for an argument of left vs right debate, just looking for some actual facts of how the democrats have helped average people in the United States this past couple years.
zehn wrote:
This is not about left vs. right. In the House race, Peltola ran and won as a moderate Democrat against a Moderate Republican and a Trump...
This is not about left vs. right. In the House race, Peltola ran and won as a moderate Democrat against a Moderate Republican and a Trump Republican. Her platform is similar to other Alaskan moderates, regardless of their party affiliation. She beat Sarah Palin (lol) by 7 points when the two Republican candidates split the vote.

In the Senate race, Murkowski (a centrist/moderate Republican) beat Tshibaka, another Trump Republican.

These races were about a repudiation of Trump and his candidates, which is why I posted it in the Trump thread
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat?

The factoid is that, Mitch McConnell gave Murkowski the money, held back funding for the Trump candidate. Not hard to figure out why the Trump candidate lost. Murkowski even endorsed the Democrat candidate.

You probably know about this, but conveniently eliminated it from your story. Works well with the narrative. Nice story bro.

My guess is without McConnell's interference the race might have been a lot closer. Rank choice voting is a likely factor as well.
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11/27/2022 7:45am
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Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat? The factoid is that...
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat?

The factoid is that, Mitch McConnell gave Murkowski the money, held back funding for the Trump candidate. Not hard to figure out why the Trump candidate lost. Murkowski even endorsed the Democrat candidate.

You probably know about this, but conveniently eliminated it from your story. Works well with the narrative. Nice story bro.

My guess is without McConnell's interference the race might have been a lot closer. Rank choice voting is a likely factor as well.
Why did the Republicans run 2 candidates for house?
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11/27/2022 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2022 1:36pm
tuggy450 wrote:
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat? The factoid is that...
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat?

The factoid is that, Mitch McConnell gave Murkowski the money, held back funding for the Trump candidate. Not hard to figure out why the Trump candidate lost. Murkowski even endorsed the Democrat candidate.

You probably know about this, but conveniently eliminated it from your story. Works well with the narrative. Nice story bro.

My guess is without McConnell's interference the race might have been a lot closer. Rank choice voting is a likely factor as well.
early wrote:
Why did the Republicans run 2 candidates for house?
Not sure, from what I understand, the rank choice voting is fairly new in the state. I'm not exactly sure how it works. I assume they add up scores like a moto and the lowest score wins?

BTW Peltota was expected to win as they all primary together and she won For some reason possibly death, I think she was considered an incumbent? Could be wrong it's been a while since I read about it.
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11/27/2022 2:12pm
tuggy450 wrote:
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat? The factoid is that...
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat?

The factoid is that, Mitch McConnell gave Murkowski the money, held back funding for the Trump candidate. Not hard to figure out why the Trump candidate lost. Murkowski even endorsed the Democrat candidate.

You probably know about this, but conveniently eliminated it from your story. Works well with the narrative. Nice story bro.

My guess is without McConnell's interference the race might have been a lot closer. Rank choice voting is a likely factor as well.
early wrote:
Why did the Republicans run 2 candidates for house?
tuggy450 wrote:
Not sure, from what I understand, the rank choice voting is fairly new in the state. I'm not exactly sure how it works. I assume they...
Not sure, from what I understand, the rank choice voting is fairly new in the state. I'm not exactly sure how it works. I assume they add up scores like a moto and the lowest score wins?

BTW Peltota was expected to win as they all primary together and she won For some reason possibly death, I think she was considered an incumbent? Could be wrong it's been a while since I read about it.
Ranked Choice Voting:

Let’s say there’s 4 candidates.

You rank them 1-4 on which you like the most and which you like the least. 1 being best 4 being worst.

If a candidate gets more than 50% of 1st place rankings in the first round, they win the election. If nobody is above 50%, the person finishing last is removed. Anyone who ranked them first now has the candidate they ranked 2nd redistributed as if they voted that candidate 1st.

Among the 3 remaining candidates, the same rules apply. Any single one over 50%, they win. If not, the candidate finishing last (3rd now in this round) is once again removed. Anyone who had them as their top ranked remaining candidate now has their next best option redistributed to rank 1. Which is obviously now down to only 2 candidates.

If it gets down this far, all ballots are counted and whoever is ranked higher on the majority of the ballots is the winner.
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11/27/2022 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2022 2:24pm
tuggy450 wrote:
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat? The factoid is that...
Murkowski is not really considered a moderate republican. she is considered the 2nd most liberal republican, Is Manchin a moderate centrist Democrat?

The factoid is that, Mitch McConnell gave Murkowski the money, held back funding for the Trump candidate. Not hard to figure out why the Trump candidate lost. Murkowski even endorsed the Democrat candidate.

You probably know about this, but conveniently eliminated it from your story. Works well with the narrative. Nice story bro.

My guess is without McConnell's interference the race might have been a lot closer. Rank choice voting is a likely factor as well.
early wrote:
Why did the Republicans run 2 candidates for house?
tuggy450 wrote:
Not sure, from what I understand, the rank choice voting is fairly new in the state. I'm not exactly sure how it works. I assume they...
Not sure, from what I understand, the rank choice voting is fairly new in the state. I'm not exactly sure how it works. I assume they add up scores like a moto and the lowest score wins?

BTW Peltota was expected to win as they all primary together and she won For some reason possibly death, I think she was considered an incumbent? Could be wrong it's been a while since I read about it.
Or just maybe, Alaskans saw through the Trump bullshit and recognize the value in having a senator with seniority for a state that is especially dependent on federal spending. Has nothing to do with narrative and ironic you mentioned it because you instantly went into the “yeah well Mitch $$$” narrative to explain her losing.

Maybe think about the fact that Tshibaka was a bad candidate endorsed by a hugely polarizing figure whose popularity and widespread appeal is ever declining.

And yes, Peltola was an “incumbent” with all of 3 months under belt after she won a surprise upset in a special election. Again, beating shitty candidates. Moderate Alaskans hate Palin and Begich is a very unintriguing candidate
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Joey, you get triggered easily it seems. I post Trump news of the day in a Trump thread, you meltdown. "You seriously need psychiatric help" "And...
Joey, you get triggered easily it seems. I post Trump news of the day in a Trump thread, you meltdown.




"You seriously need psychiatric help"

"And he seems proud to put his mental state on full display. "Lost" is what he's become."

"And leaving a trail of, front wiping wokesters, in his wake."

"You're not that bright. You've proven that over, and over again."


"Nothing about your precious report is relevant to any of the bullshit we're dealing with thanks to the current president and his administration.

Sorry, you fail.
Something you must be used to right now.

Normally you're not worth my time.
You know quite clearly my opinion of your, facade of someone of any intellect.
But this thread is pure worthless drivel.
You sound like you have a real problem hearing news about Trump, which is what I'm posting. To the point of Triggered much?"
Nice stalking there boy.
Very nice.
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11/28/2022 10:39am
Calling McConnell anything but "Swamp Thing' is disingenuous. Grinning

In this day and age, anyone in the senate that DOES NOT tow the party line...? Well, just like Nancy's House...

"They have to go!"

McConnell, that swamp rat that he is, plays the same game in the senate.

While I am disheartened by how Manchin and Cinema ultimately were typical-tools of Biden's policies, I -DID- admire them taking a stand...initially.

One thing you have to give The Donald credit for acknowledging...is...The Swamp.

DC was built on a swamp.
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Or just maybe, Alaskans saw through the Trump bullshit and recognize the value in having a senator with seniority for a state that is especially dependent...
Or just maybe, Alaskans saw through the Trump bullshit and recognize the value in having a senator with seniority for a state that is especially dependent on federal spending. Has nothing to do with narrative and ironic you mentioned it because you instantly went into the “yeah well Mitch $$$” narrative to explain her losing.

Maybe think about the fact that Tshibaka was a bad candidate endorsed by a hugely polarizing figure whose popularity and widespread appeal is ever declining.

And yes, Peltola was an “incumbent” with all of 3 months under belt after she won a surprise upset in a special election. Again, beating shitty candidates. Moderate Alaskans hate Palin and Begich is a very unintriguing candidate
Or just maybe.....the earth is flat, Nonsense, lol. That's why Murkowski doubled her campaign funding, because she ran against a "bad candidate with a endorsement from someone without supporters.

https://www.elections.alaska.gov/results/22PRIM/ElectionSummaryReportRP…

Murkowski barely won, by 0.77% of the vote. She started with a something like a 45% to 38% lead during the primary. Murkowski had a 45% to 29% margin of victory in 2016. from 15% to 0.77% in 2022.

Primary to general, Tshibaki went from 38.5% to 42.6% with the trump endorsement vs Murkowski who dropped from 45% to 43.37% even with a massive campaign financing blitz, outspending Tshibaki 10 to 1 courtesy of Mitch McConnell

Sorry but the data doesn't suggest a net negative Trump endorsement Sentiment. Regardless of how passionately you protest it.

Now I'm not saying people with anti trump sentiment do not exist, they clearly do as you seem to perfectly demonstrate. I'm sure there are people who will not vote for a trump endorsed candidate. But they appear to be a minority.

At present, the data suggests his endorsement seems to be a net positive. In Tshibaki's case it appears it was worth around 5 percentage points. I realize you may not find this data comforting or what it suggests comforting.

What would the endorsement have been worth minus Mitch McConnell's financing blitz?

I'd have to believe the 0.77% margin would not have held. I'm sure Murkowski and Mitch know they barely squeaked by with an expensive win. somewhat courtesy of FTX. Seems Mitch's super pac got a cool million from FTX. Murkowski also received directly from FTX and other non profits used as a billion dollar campaign coffer/ scam of theft and fraud. Burn them all.
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