23 KTM 300SX

11/22/2022 7:19am
WDSRCR wrote:
I'd just ride it until the fix is out. It's not hurting it and it doesn't run any differently. The lights also only flash at idle.
Some people have said that with the fault 50 code it has put there bike in a rich mode. I haven't ridden mine on the track yet so I don't know if its down on power or not, but yes most people are saying no performance loss with the fault code active.
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11/22/2022 7:23am
Langhammx wrote:
You shouldn’t have to drop it off, they should be able to clear the code while you wait.
I wish. 3 Brothers is a week out to even look at it.. AEO said they could probably get to it same day. I haven't called...
I wish. 3 Brothers is a week out to even look at it.. AEO said they could probably get to it same day. I haven't called Malcom Smith yet.
WDSRCR wrote:
I'd just ride it until the fix is out. It's not hurting it and it doesn't run any differently. The lights also only flash at idle.
I believe the fast flashing FI light at idle is from low rpm. Manual says 1500-1700 rpm. Fast flashing light at idle will go away if you increase the idle. Fault 50 code is 5 slow flashing lights after shut off or with the dongle plugged in.
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11/22/2022 7:28am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2022 7:29am
I believe the fast flashing FI light at idle is from low rpm. Manual says 1500-1700 rpm. Fast flashing light at idle will go away if...
I believe the fast flashing FI light at idle is from low rpm. Manual says 1500-1700 rpm. Fast flashing light at idle will go away if you increase the idle. Fault 50 code is 5 slow flashing lights after shut off or with the dongle plugged in.
I guess that's possible too but the bike doesn't seem to be idling too low.. Now I need to go check and see if it blinks after I shut it down... LOL
11/22/2022 7:30am
I have one. rode around the block yesterday. Accidently hit the start button while the engine was running. Now I have the Fault 50 code. FI...
I have one. rode around the block yesterday. Accidently hit the start button while the engine was running. Now I have the Fault 50 code. FI light. Five slow blinking lights. Ive heard of other people having the same issue. Puts the bike in a rich condition. Only the dealer can reset. Headed there tomorrow to get reset.
sam hain wrote:
Not true, the blink code for hitting the start button while running has absolutely no effect on the mapping.
Good to know. I don't know if it does or not because I didn't get a chance to ride it before the code started. I've just seen others on youtube say it changed the mapping.

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11/22/2022 7:38am
I believe the fast flashing FI light at idle is from low rpm. Manual says 1500-1700 rpm. Fast flashing light at idle will go away if...
I believe the fast flashing FI light at idle is from low rpm. Manual says 1500-1700 rpm. Fast flashing light at idle will go away if you increase the idle. Fault 50 code is 5 slow flashing lights after shut off or with the dongle plugged in.
WDSRCR wrote:
I guess that's possible too but the bike doesn't seem to be idling too low.. Now I need to go check and see if it blinks...
I guess that's possible too but the bike doesn't seem to be idling too low.. Now I need to go check and see if it blinks after I shut it down... LOL
That bike hour meter doesn't have a tack but increase the idle to 1500-1700 and the FI light should go off. You can but the start button to wake up the bike and see if you have any codes. Or plug in the Dongle.
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11/22/2022 7:41am
3 hours on mine no issues. But I bought mine last Tuesday and before I could load it up they had to do some ECU update. I’m not sure if that was to fix this issue.
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11/22/2022 7:42am
3 hours on mine no issues. But I bought mine last Tuesday and before I could load it up they had to do some ECU update. I’m not sure if that was to fix this issue.
11/22/2022 7:45am
Ob917 wrote:
3 hours on mine no issues. But I bought mine last Tuesday and before I could load it up they had to do some ECU update...
3 hours on mine no issues. But I bought mine last Tuesday and before I could load it up they had to do some ECU update. I’m not sure if that was to fix this issue.
Nice. Hopefully its resolved.
11/22/2022 8:04am
I have 10 hours on my XC300 with no issues. I’ve only put 1.2 hours on the SX, but no issues either.
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11/22/2022 8:51am
I have one. rode around the block yesterday. Accidently hit the start button while the engine was running. Now I have the Fault 50 code. FI...
I have one. rode around the block yesterday. Accidently hit the start button while the engine was running. Now I have the Fault 50 code. FI light. Five slow blinking lights. Ive heard of other people having the same issue. Puts the bike in a rich condition. Only the dealer can reset. Headed there tomorrow to get reset.
The powervalve code does not affect runability in any way. You just have to get it cleared and not hit the starter button while the engine is running. It's not some ghost code that randomly appears.
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11/22/2022 9:33am
My buddy got his 300 back a while ago. It was a TPS issue.

He says bike is a monster. “Different” than previous generation 250SX as in, it targets a bit of a different rider (4 stroke guys) but an absolute weapon of a bike. Much easier to ride than the previous gen bike power delivery wise, making it a pretty decent 450 competitor.
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11/22/2022 11:53am
studworx wrote:
My buddy got his 300 back a while ago. It was a TPS issue. He says bike is a monster. “Different” than previous generation 250SX as...
My buddy got his 300 back a while ago. It was a TPS issue.

He says bike is a monster. “Different” than previous generation 250SX as in, it targets a bit of a different rider (4 stroke guys) but an absolute weapon of a bike. Much easier to ride than the previous gen bike power delivery wise, making it a pretty decent 450 competitor.
I agree with your buddy. The torque is really something…
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11/22/2022 1:08pm
Langhammx wrote:
I have 10 hours on my XC300 with no issues. I’ve only put 1.2 hours on the SX, but no issues either.
Power delivery the same on both bikes?
11/22/2022 3:29pm
I have one. rode around the block yesterday. Accidently hit the start button while the engine was running. Now I have the Fault 50 code. FI...
I have one. rode around the block yesterday. Accidently hit the start button while the engine was running. Now I have the Fault 50 code. FI light. Five slow blinking lights. Ive heard of other people having the same issue. Puts the bike in a rich condition. Only the dealer can reset. Headed there tomorrow to get reset.
The powervalve code does not affect runability in any way. You just have to get it cleared and not hit the starter button while the engine...
The powervalve code does not affect runability in any way. You just have to get it cleared and not hit the starter button while the engine is running. It's not some ghost code that randomly appears.
Just picked up the bike. I had the code cleared at the dealer. As far as my bike on the street, the bike definitely runs different than before. Going through the gears It wouldn't pull the front end off the ground and now it does. Exhaust smoke is also less after warm up. Might be different for other people and you might not notice the difference when riding it in the dirt. So if you have the Fault 50 code I would recommend getting it cleared.
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11/22/2022 3:32pm
twhig wrote:
Please keep us posted with the code remedy’s. My buddy and I just picked ours up the other day. He currently has the 5 flashing lights...
Please keep us posted with the code remedy’s. My buddy and I just picked ours up the other day. He currently has the 5 flashing lights, but my bike still has none. Probably because I haven’t rode it yet. I’m awaiting the flashing lights though. Appreciate any input. Thank you!!!
I'm headed to the dealer this morning to drop off the bike. They will reset the ECU. i will let you know if there is any...
I'm headed to the dealer this morning to drop off the bike. They will reset the ECU. i will let you know if there is any resolution to the issue yet. Apparently it will need a software update.
twhig wrote:
Thank you Courtney!!! Yes, keep us updated!!!
Just picked up the bike. I had the code cleared at the dealer. As far as my bike on the street, the bike definitely runs different than before. Going through the gears It wouldn't pull the front end off the ground and now it does. Exhaust smoke is also less after warm up. Might be different for other people and you might not notice the difference when riding it in the dirt. So if you have the Fault 50 code I would recommend getting it cleared.

Also the fast flashing light while idling is also gone.
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11/22/2022 4:15pm
Power delivery the same on both bikes?
Not really. The mapping seems to be more aggressive on the SX, along with the different transmission ratios. I have the FMF Fatty on the SX and the FMF Gnarly on the XC. Both gave the 2.1 Ti silencer. The motor in my XC just seems to be a little bit more mellow and I’ve ridden it primarily in the green map.
The SX was somewhat of a handful at the track I rode last Sunday. I really blew it by not trying the white map, I think I would’ve enjoyed it a little more.
I’m going to try and get out this weekend on a more familiar track and set my sag and start off in the white map. I only have the one ride on it, so I need to ride some more to loosen it up.
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11/22/2022 6:21pm
Power delivery the same on both bikes?
Langhammx wrote:
Not really. The mapping seems to be more aggressive on the SX, along with the different transmission ratios. I have the FMF Fatty on the SX...
Not really. The mapping seems to be more aggressive on the SX, along with the different transmission ratios. I have the FMF Fatty on the SX and the FMF Gnarly on the XC. Both gave the 2.1 Ti silencer. The motor in my XC just seems to be a little bit more mellow and I’ve ridden it primarily in the green map.
The SX was somewhat of a handful at the track I rode last Sunday. I really blew it by not trying the white map, I think I would’ve enjoyed it a little more.
I’m going to try and get out this weekend on a more familiar track and set my sag and start off in the white map. I only have the one ride on it, so I need to ride some more to loosen it up.
You running the vented air box cover on both? I wonder if that is noticeable. I just installed my FMF factory fatty and Ti shorty plus the vented cover. I’ll find out what it feels like this weekend.
11/22/2022 6:24pm
Ob917 wrote:
You running the vented air box cover on both? I wonder if that is noticeable. I just installed my FMF factory fatty and Ti shorty plus...
You running the vented air box cover on both? I wonder if that is noticeable. I just installed my FMF factory fatty and Ti shorty plus the vented cover. I’ll find out what it feels like this weekend.
Yes I am. I haven’t ran the non vented air box cover yet, so I can’t say if it makes much of a difference yet.
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11/22/2022 6:30pm
Langhammx wrote:
Yes I am. I haven’t ran the non vented air box cover yet, so I can’t say if it makes much of a difference yet.
It makes a difference, I ran the non vented first as that was what was installed, with wanting more hit I switched to the vented. Not a huge difference but you can feel it. I find it so interesting different peoples takes on the same machine, I want more hit and you want less. I drove down to SoCal for ditd, gonna ride it at Cahuilla tomorrow and am very excited about that!!
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11/23/2022 8:12am
It makes a difference, I ran the non vented first as that was what was installed, with wanting more hit I switched to the vented. Not...
It makes a difference, I ran the non vented first as that was what was installed, with wanting more hit I switched to the vented. Not a huge difference but you can feel it. I find it so interesting different peoples takes on the same machine, I want more hit and you want less. I drove down to SoCal for ditd, gonna ride it at Cahuilla tomorrow and am very excited about that!!
I have a friend that is racing his new bike at Mini O’s and has had a few issues with the bike. Contrary to what some have said, his bike went into a rich mode and although it still ran fine, it wasn’t right and it sounds like KTM got it all handled. Maybe yours isn’t giving you “all the beans” ? Honestly, my SX has more torque than I’m currently wanting, it’s a gawd damn monster… lol This is probably more on me and the fact that I’ve been riding my XC in terrain that does not require twisting the throttle as much.
But here’s what he had to say about his experience-

They hooked a lap top to my bike today. The program takes approximately 20 minutes to go thru resetting ecu and sensors. During that time at different steps the tech has to clear codes. It's not all automatic. I would love to get a flash drive from an unknown source to do it myself. They fixed my bike for issues off jumps. Then the next day it went a safe mode that is extra rich. That's when they reset everything with laptop.
We found a good tech at ktm. He changed one little thing for my jump issues that made a night and day difference. My bike didn't show the codes, but for a whole race and until reset in ran like 4 main jets too rich if it had jets.


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11/23/2022 8:42am
Although I haven’t ridden a different 23 300 I think(and am hoping) everything is fine with my bike. I just really like them to light up fast so I can ride a gear higher. It’s a very small amount more id prefer. I honestly think a pc shorty is gonna do it. My 23 is about 20 db quiter than my 21, lol it could just be a noise thing too. 🤣
11/23/2022 9:18am
Although I haven’t ridden a different 23 300 I think(and am hoping) everything is fine with my bike. I just really like them to light up...
Although I haven’t ridden a different 23 300 I think(and am hoping) everything is fine with my bike. I just really like them to light up fast so I can ride a gear higher. It’s a very small amount more id prefer. I honestly think a pc shorty is gonna do it. My 23 is about 20 db quiter than my 21, lol it could just be a noise thing too. 🤣
Back to the shorty silencers…
I doubt that he’s looking for more top end on an endurocross course. Smoother power is what they are after, but how much bottom are they loosing, while running these long ass mufflers ?

11/23/2022 9:25am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2022 9:26am
Im in the middle of a deep dive 23’ model on YouTube discussing the tech and issues if you guys want to follow it and subscribe.
Last one I did last night revolves around the start/stop and what I am doing to avoid it.
God Guitars Guns and Goats is the name of the channel.
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11/23/2022 10:27am
Pretty much how I felt about my first ride. I wish I would’ve tried the white map, I think I would’ve had an easier time adapting. I need to ride it at a bigger track with sweeping turns and some 4th/5th gear straight sections. But overall, they both had a very similar impression of the bike.
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11/23/2022 11:03am
I don’t get these reviews. 1 perfectly groomed track, 1.5 hours on bike between 2 riders. MXA at least hammers bikes before releasing tests

Also, he states that the old KTM’s vibrate like “a mother f’er”. That hasn’t been the case since counterbalanced 250SX’s were released in 2017… so I don’t think he’s ridden one recently enough for a proper comparison. Which again is proven by how surprised he is that it carries 3rd gear, which is something the KTM 250’s have been knows to do exceptionally well for years. They are a low-mid motor.

That said, can’t wait for MXA content on these. I think this bike will get a lot of the 4 stroke crowd on 2 strokes and will help the sport become more affordable at a weekend warrior level. Say what you want, but MXA 2 stroke tests are legit. They are the only ones that test pretty much every single 2 stroke released every year.
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11/23/2022 11:50am
Vitals own dyno test...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zldq_GsVTtM

300SX, not very surprising. Really curious what KTM could do if they went with a longer stroke.

What's really interesting is how much different the 350 and 450 curves are! Would be curious to see 250F, 350F and 450F side by side.
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11/23/2022 11:57am
studworx wrote:
I don’t get these reviews. 1 perfectly groomed track, 1.5 hours on bike between 2 riders. MXA at least hammers bikes before releasing tests Also, he...
I don’t get these reviews. 1 perfectly groomed track, 1.5 hours on bike between 2 riders. MXA at least hammers bikes before releasing tests

Also, he states that the old KTM’s vibrate like “a mother f’er”. That hasn’t been the case since counterbalanced 250SX’s were released in 2017… so I don’t think he’s ridden one recently enough for a proper comparison. Which again is proven by how surprised he is that it carries 3rd gear, which is something the KTM 250’s have been knows to do exceptionally well for years. They are a low-mid motor.

That said, can’t wait for MXA content on these. I think this bike will get a lot of the 4 stroke crowd on 2 strokes and will help the sport become more affordable at a weekend warrior level. Say what you want, but MXA 2 stroke tests are legit. They are the only ones that test pretty much every single 2 stroke released every year.
I’m pretty sure that they wanted to give a “first impressions “ review. Keefer rides more than anyone I know, his impressions after having some time on the bike will just get better. Eddie was an accomplished amateur racer and has a good feel for bike characteristics as well, so I’m looking forward to hearing their thoughts after more time on the bike.
My first impression was very similar to theirs, but I hindered myself by not following through with changing the map switch to mellow it out in the corners. I also failed to check the sag, although it had to have been pretty close. They are 30-40 lbs different in weight, so Eddie was probably riding it similar to how I was, with too much sag, just my opinion…
As far as the 3rd gear claim, I have both the XC and the SX and had a ‘19 XCW 300 (with the counter balanced crank) and the amount of torque that these ‘23 bikes have is completely different, IMO. Yes, the vibration that he mentioned was non existent on my ‘19 300, so I will agree that this is nothing new for the Austrian brand 2-strokes.
I’ve owned a lot of 2-strokes and even had a properly tuned Eric Gore RM250 that wasn’t anything like with of these new bikes. I’m convinced that the mapping is different between the XC and SX, but then again I’m riding the two bikes in completely different conditions and am not having to turn in ruts on the XC. I found myself missing the ruts on my SX and that might be several different reasons, mainly me being out of Mx shape, but sag and the fact that 90% of the bikes making the ruts are on 4-strokes. Some may disagree, but the lines made by a 4 stroke are not the same as the ones made by the same rider, on a 2-stroke. I’ll have a much better evaluation of the bike after riding it on a much bigger/ spread out track. Glen Helen or Cajuilla would be a much different scenario for getting an honest opinion for me.
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11/23/2022 11:58am
Langhammx wrote:
Back to the shorty silencers… I doubt that he’s looking for more top end on an endurocross course. Smoother power is what they are after, but...
Back to the shorty silencers…
I doubt that he’s looking for more top end on an endurocross course. Smoother power is what they are after, but how much bottom are they loosing, while running these long ass mufflers ?

Longer pipe has wider usable power usually even on 125cc short pipe narrows powerband. You dont need max power extreme enduro its better to have usable power when ever you need.
11/23/2022 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 11/23/2022 12:08pm
Yz229 wrote:
Vitals own dyno test...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zldq_GsVTtM 300SX, not very surprising. Really curious what KTM could do if they went with a longer stroke. What's really interesting is how...
Vitals own dyno test...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zldq_GsVTtM

300SX, not very surprising. Really curious what KTM could do if they went with a longer stroke.

What's really interesting is how much different the 350 and 450 curves are! Would be curious to see 250F, 350F and 450F side by side.
Again, I have mentioned how the 300 felt faster than my 350 down low which had the FMF exhaust and a Vortex that was mapped by Twisted Engineering. Top end the 350 just pulled a lot longer. The 3rd gear torque is amazing on the ‘23’s.
Another note on the Mapping switch… I’ve stated at his different they were on my XC300 and I’ve seen others post that they did not feel much difference between them.
I am looking forward to riding the SX in the white map, the green map was a little much for the track I was riding and trying to get used to a brand new bike.

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