Most wins as a pro by age?

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Including MX and SX, who was the winningest by age?
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
By what age? All ages? That would be a big list.
Yeah. Get to work. Laughing
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RC
The end..
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Premier class Supercross wins at 16, Ron Lechien
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Sully 11/11/2022 9:42pm
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ccullins wrote:
Premier class Supercross wins at 16, Ron Lechien
If you don’t count Bradshaw winning the Tokyo SX at 16, I think Lechien is the only rider to do that.
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vanillaice782 11/11/2022 10:26pm
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At first I was thinking Ernesto Fonseca. Because he won six supercrosses in his rookie year, but he was already 18 at that point.

James Stewart had won 15 races in his rookie year when he was 17. I bet he is the grand champion of winning races while young. That's if I even understood the question correctly.
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mx313 11/11/2022 10:39pm
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Question is a bit hard to understand.

Do u want to know who had the most wins when they were 16 then 17 then 18 then 19?
If that's what u want. 250 and 450.
It will be stew. Until about 21 then rc.
On there 19th or 20th bday would be an OK stat to see.
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mx313 11/11/2022 10:54pm
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On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
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KiwiBermRailer 11/11/2022 11:22pm
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Shows you how good James was at such a young age.
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vanillaice782 11/12/2022 2:21am
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KiwiBermRailer wrote:
Shows you how good James was at such a young age.
Yeah for sure. 10 out of 12 overalls in his rookie moto season. Wild.
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NorCalRedRyder 11/12/2022 3:13am
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Pastrana? He has to be up there
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ccullins wrote:
Premier class Supercross wins at 16, Ron Lechien
Sully wrote:
If you don’t count Bradshaw winning the Tokyo SX at 16, I think Lechien is the only rider to do that.
Marty Tripes won the "Super Bowl of Motocross" at 16 years of age.
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mx313 wrote:
On there 19th birthday James had 46 Carmichael had 28 wins Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)...
On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early August.
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mx313 wrote:
On there 19th birthday James had 46 Carmichael had 28 wins Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)...
On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
Herlings won 43 GPs on his 19th Birthday

Roczen won 12 GPs on his 17th Birthday before he went to America.

Both won there first GP on a age off 15!
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Lechien had 7 250/450 supercross wins before he was 19.
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KiwiBermRailer wrote:
Shows you how good James was at such a young age.
It really does.

Also, a great bench racing debate about James is two stroke vs four stroke. Obviously he won big on both but perhaps his skill advantage was even greater on the two stroke but the change to four stroke happened in his prime.
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mx313 wrote:
On there 19th birthday James had 46 Carmichael had 28 wins Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)...
On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
Good stuff. I will also add that not every rider started at the same age. So, for example, Deano had 14 moto wins and 5 overalls for his first 2 years pro while Tomac only had 1 moto win and 1 overall for his first 2 (both 2010-2011).

I'd say years pro is a better gauge than age because a lot of riders from the 2010s were older than riders previously. This is why the only riders since 2010 to win the MX title prior to the age of 20 are Canard (3rd year), Wilson (2nd year), and Jett (2nd/3rd years).
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mx313 11/12/2022 3:08pm
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mx313 wrote:
On there 19th birthday James had 46 Carmichael had 28 wins Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)...
On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
Eagle_70 wrote:
Good stuff. I will also add that not every rider started at the same age. So, for example, Deano had 14 moto wins and 5 overalls...
Good stuff. I will also add that not every rider started at the same age. So, for example, Deano had 14 moto wins and 5 overalls for his first 2 years pro while Tomac only had 1 moto win and 1 overall for his first 2 (both 2010-2011).

I'd say years pro is a better gauge than age because a lot of riders from the 2010s were older than riders previously. This is why the only riders since 2010 to win the MX title prior to the age of 20 are Canard (3rd year), Wilson (2nd year), and Jett (2nd/3rd years).
I did deano webb and baggett knowing they were successful in their teens.
But they were all successful at 19.
Age vs years pro it's hard to compare.
RV vs jett in age is almost identical. But Jett had the 16 year old rookie season that he only got 1 win. So years pro he is way behind. But In jetts rookie season was his expectation to just learn and see how it goes? Was RV to go out an immediately win?
Stats don't always show the full story.
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mx313 11/12/2022 3:23pm
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mx313 wrote:
On there 19th birthday James had 46 Carmichael had 28 wins Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)...
On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
str8line wrote:
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early...
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early August.
I counted villos wrong coz he had mxon results in his results list. And I didn't add them for any1 else.
I think villo will gap Jett from 19-20 as jett is going 450 in mx. Jett and RVs bdays are about 5 days apart.
Ryan won 12 races at 19. To have a total of 29 on his 20th bday.
Jett currently has 21 overalls.
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Herlings won 43 GPs on his 19th Birthday Roczen won 12 GPs on his 17th Birthday before he went to America. Both won there first GP...
Herlings won 43 GPs on his 19th Birthday

Roczen won 12 GPs on his 17th Birthday before he went to America.

Both won there first GP on a age off 15!
Herlings had to be tired after racing that many times on one daySmile
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mx313 wrote:
On there 19th birthday James had 46 Carmichael had 28 wins Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)...
On there 19th birthday
James had 46
Carmichael had 28 wins
Villopoto had 17 ( edited. I counted mxon results into his and not anyone else)
Jett had 19
Pastrana 15
Dungey 11
Tomac 3
Wilson 2 (8 on his 20th bday)
Cooper webb 1 (9 on his 20th bday)
Baggett 1 (8 on his 20th)

Who else would be top 5
str8line wrote:
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early...
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early August.
mx313 wrote:
I counted villos wrong coz he had mxon results in his results list. And I didn't add them for any1 else. I think villo will gap...
I counted villos wrong coz he had mxon results in his results list. And I didn't add them for any1 else.
I think villo will gap Jett from 19-20 as jett is going 450 in mx. Jett and RVs bdays are about 5 days apart.
Ryan won 12 races at 19. To have a total of 29 on his 20th bday.
Jett currently has 21 overalls.
Jett has 250 SX and almost all of 450 outdoors(turns 20 in early August) to get 8 overalls and match RV at 20. Can he get a win or two in the 450's?

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At the age of 22…

Danny Magoo Chandler won BOTH Motos at the 1982 MXdN…
And…
Won BOTH Motos at the 1982 Trophee des Nations.

No one-else has done that.
Ever.
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ccullins wrote:
Premier class Supercross wins at 16, Ron Lechien
Sully wrote:
If you don’t count Bradshaw winning the Tokyo SX at 16, I think Lechien is the only rider to do that.
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str8line wrote:
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early...
That's what I was wondering, thanks. Can Jett close the gap to any of those guys by 20-years-old? Maybe with RV? Jett turns 20 in early August.
mx313 wrote:
I counted villos wrong coz he had mxon results in his results list. And I didn't add them for any1 else. I think villo will gap...
I counted villos wrong coz he had mxon results in his results list. And I didn't add them for any1 else.
I think villo will gap Jett from 19-20 as jett is going 450 in mx. Jett and RVs bdays are about 5 days apart.
Ryan won 12 races at 19. To have a total of 29 on his 20th bday.
Jett currently has 21 overalls.
str8line wrote:
Jett has 250 SX and almost all of 450 outdoors(turns 20 in early August) to get 8 overalls and match RV at 20. Can he get...
Jett has 250 SX and almost all of 450 outdoors(turns 20 in early August) to get 8 overalls and match RV at 20. Can he get a win or two in the 450's?

Regardless, it’s not fair a comparison; comparing the age-win rate of someone who’s had to come in from another country, to someone who’s come up through the ranks of local competition and has all the support that being home offers.
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