First Stark On American Soil...

Titan1
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#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
Titan1 wrote:
“In a few years”? Define “few”…. I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing...
“In a few years”? Define “few”….

I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing ICE bikes in terms of popularity (similar to what 4 strokes have done to 2 strokes)…all major manufacturers have to roll out bikes…and battery tech has a loooooong way to go.

I look forward to the prices coming down and being able to buy a Yamaha EMX bike with 100 miles of range (or a quick change battery I can swap in a minute or so at a pit stop, and get 100 miles out of two batteries) at A class speeds in the desert…I love the technology…but I just think we are a ways off yet…like over a decade.
ToolMaker wrote:
I think you're not giving much credit to the advancement of the battery tech. The amount of money pouring into the battery tech, it's not that...
I think you're not giving much credit to the advancement of the battery tech. The amount of money pouring into the battery tech, it's not that far off. And considering "everything" on the bike already outperforms the ICE bike, the only thing holding back the transition is "the battery". I get people don't like change, but if you really compare performance, what does the ICE bike do better other than go further? Time will tell.
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I look forward to owning an EMX bike…but the price point needs to come down, the range up (or a easy/quick battery swap), and from a reputable long standing manufacturer…so a part of me hopes you’re right.
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Seems like we're "tied down" to the past for the time being.
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I'm just glad nobody bought a Model T, with its miserable suspension, poor brakes, and low power, instead choosing to wait until all the systems were perfected...

Less noise = the potential for more tracks near residential areas. And you will be able to pipe any kind of ICE engine noise through your earbuds, cranked up to 11, eventually. This seems like the kind of change that people could look forward to.
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11/9/2022 8:36am
This thread is a total dumpster fire haha.

1) Its cool to see technological progression. Wiser people would reserve judgement until more is known. Speculating with very little data usually results in looking like an ass.

2) We don't know when battery technology will allow a range that is akin to a dirt bike with 2.5 gallons of fuel. I've shown the math elsewhere. I'd wager we are a decade off of this, so nobody needs to panic that "they" are going to replace your ICE bikes.

3) I own a Tesla and a diesel truck. We should all be psyched to be alive, now. So much awesomeness in the form of amazing engineering out there. Embrace change. Life is better that way...
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This thread is a total dumpster fire haha. 1) Its cool to see technological progression. Wiser people would reserve judgement until more is known. Speculating with...
This thread is a total dumpster fire haha.

1) Its cool to see technological progression. Wiser people would reserve judgement until more is known. Speculating with very little data usually results in looking like an ass.

2) We don't know when battery technology will allow a range that is akin to a dirt bike with 2.5 gallons of fuel. I've shown the math elsewhere. I'd wager we are a decade off of this, so nobody needs to panic that "they" are going to replace your ICE bikes.

3) I own a Tesla and a diesel truck. We should all be psyched to be alive, now. So much awesomeness in the form of amazing engineering out there. Embrace change. Life is better that way...
Great points but yet the Phantom Down voter strikes again. Here is my take on your take

1) If I was going to be racing in the future, I would be a Stark deposit holder. After Stark had the journalists down for the back-to-back testing, it is a matter of when not if, the next big thing arrives.

2) How much fuel does it take to make it through practice and two twenty motos on ICE machine? Regardless I agree we are at least ten years from widespread market penetration and probably even longer that than. As long as there are not EPA regulations keep ICE machines off trails and racetracks, two strokes and four strokes will both be here for decades to come. Simple matter of economics. When the Japanese OEMs introduce their electric bikes with swappable battery backs that's when things will really get interesting, I think,

3) Totally agree. The only thing constant is change so get used to it.
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This thread is a total dumpster fire haha. 1) Its cool to see technological progression. Wiser people would reserve judgement until more is known. Speculating with...
This thread is a total dumpster fire haha.

1) Its cool to see technological progression. Wiser people would reserve judgement until more is known. Speculating with very little data usually results in looking like an ass.

2) We don't know when battery technology will allow a range that is akin to a dirt bike with 2.5 gallons of fuel. I've shown the math elsewhere. I'd wager we are a decade off of this, so nobody needs to panic that "they" are going to replace your ICE bikes.

3) I own a Tesla and a diesel truck. We should all be psyched to be alive, now. So much awesomeness in the form of amazing engineering out there. Embrace change. Life is better that way...
Point 1: „Wiser people would reserve judgement until more is known.“
Point 2: „I‘ve shown the math elsewhere.“
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I can't take it anymore! I've been following the R VanKamp77 threads and posts. R VanKamp77, you are a bad engineer! Find a mentor, stop giving people attitude, redeem yourself. It's never too late.

I for one am VERY excited for the Stark and eMX in general. I tested the Alta and it was amazing. Light like a 125, sliding the rear into corners without stalling was a blast, and no more engine maintenance! 4 strokes and 2 strokes are becoming more and more electric as time goes on (smoother and less shifting). The natural progression will be electric.

As for professional racing, I hope eMX never arrives. You need the noise to entertain!
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hawk101 wrote:
I can't take it anymore! I've been following the R VanKamp77 threads and posts. R VanKamp77, you are a bad engineer! Find a mentor, stop giving...
I can't take it anymore! I've been following the R VanKamp77 threads and posts. R VanKamp77, you are a bad engineer! Find a mentor, stop giving people attitude, redeem yourself. It's never too late.

I for one am VERY excited for the Stark and eMX in general. I tested the Alta and it was amazing. Light like a 125, sliding the rear into corners without stalling was a blast, and no more engine maintenance! 4 strokes and 2 strokes are becoming more and more electric as time goes on (smoother and less shifting). The natural progression will be electric.

As for professional racing, I hope eMX never arrives. You need the noise to entertain!
Pretty sure he is in time out right now.
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11/10/2022 8:39pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2022 6:37am
hawk101 wrote:
I can't take it anymore! I've been following the R VanKamp77 threads and posts. R VanKamp77, you are a bad engineer! Find a mentor, stop giving...
I can't take it anymore! I've been following the R VanKamp77 threads and posts. R VanKamp77, you are a bad engineer! Find a mentor, stop giving people attitude, redeem yourself. It's never too late.

I for one am VERY excited for the Stark and eMX in general. I tested the Alta and it was amazing. Light like a 125, sliding the rear into corners without stalling was a blast, and no more engine maintenance! 4 strokes and 2 strokes are becoming more and more electric as time goes on (smoother and less shifting). The natural progression will be electric.

As for professional racing, I hope eMX never arrives. You need the noise to entertain!
I couldn’t agree more!

At first I found his posts kind of amusing, thought he’s just stirring up s..t, but when he mentioned that he’s an engineer, I felt ashamed. Just shows you, that the last thing you need today to get a degree is some brains.
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11/12/2022 11:17am
Back to the original topic, looks like Thousand Oaks Powersports in so cal has one. They just posted on their ig story an hour ago. Don’t know if it’s a complete working model or not though.
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Mr. Afterbar
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11/12/2022 11:41am
paddyB745 wrote:
Back to the original topic, looks like Thousand Oaks Powersports in so cal has one. They just posted on their ig story an hour ago. Don’t...
Back to the original topic, looks like Thousand Oaks Powersports in so cal has one. They just posted on their ig story an hour ago. Don’t know if it’s a complete working model or not though.
SEMA is over. It’s probably the same bike.
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paddyB745 wrote:
Back to the original topic, looks like Thousand Oaks Powersports in so cal has one. They just posted on their ig story an hour ago. Don’t...
Back to the original topic, looks like Thousand Oaks Powersports in so cal has one. They just posted on their ig story an hour ago. Don’t know if it’s a complete working model or not though.
It looked great! Too bad I bet they aren’t selling it ugh.
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burn1986
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11/14/2022 3:08pm
I wonder what the holdup is with Stark? They have the bike, which means they have the factory to produce them. Not sure why more models haven’t shown up yet?
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11/14/2022 3:44pm
burn1986 wrote:
I wonder what the holdup is with Stark? They have the bike, which means they have the factory to produce them. Not sure why more models...
I wonder what the holdup is with Stark? They have the bike, which means they have the factory to produce them. Not sure why more models haven’t shown up yet?
There’s a very big difference between getting a few prototype models out and starting full on production runs of customer bikes. A few demos doesn’t mean that the infrastructure for mass production is in place, that’s an unbelievably large undertaking that takes a lot of time and resources.
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