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This forum has a dedicated section for electric bikes.
And probably a ICE bike section in a few years. Get used to eMX.. it’s only gonna get bigger.
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is this a hint that FOX is coming back to making mx shocks?
I work at Fox. As much as some of us would like to, no we’re not getting back into moto. A former Fox employee works at...
I work at Fox. As much as some of us would like to, no we’re not getting back into moto. A former Fox employee works at Stark and this was just a marketing collab for the truck.
Surely, they haven’t shipped this over the pond just for a marketing gig. Who has already ridden it?
Or it’s really just a show pony without internal components..
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This forum has a dedicated section for electric bikes.
#434 wrote:
And probably a ICE bike section in a few years. Get used to eMX.. it’s only gonna get bigger.
Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
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This forum has a dedicated section for electric bikes.
#434 wrote:
And probably a ICE bike section in a few years. Get used to eMX.. it’s only gonna get bigger.
Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
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#434 wrote:
And probably a ICE bike section in a few years. Get used to eMX.. it’s only gonna get bigger.
Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
You might actually be retarded lol.
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#434 wrote:
And probably a ICE bike section in a few years. Get used to eMX.. it’s only gonna get bigger.
Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
“In a few years”? Define “few”….

I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing ICE bikes in terms of popularity (similar to what 4 strokes have done to 2 strokes)…all major manufacturers have to roll out bikes…and battery tech has a loooooong way to go.

I look forward to the prices coming down and being able to buy a Yamaha EMX bike with 100 miles of range (or a quick change battery I can swap in a minute or so at a pit stop, and get 100 miles out of two batteries) at A class speeds in the desert…I love the technology…but I just think we are a ways off yet…like over a decade.
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Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
You might actually be retarded lol.
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why.
Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one in terms of raw, one lap speed?
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#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
You might actually be retarded lol.
#434 wrote:
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why. Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one...
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why.
Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one in terms of raw, one lap speed?
Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
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Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
Titan1 wrote:
“In a few years”? Define “few”…. I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing...
“In a few years”? Define “few”….

I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing ICE bikes in terms of popularity (similar to what 4 strokes have done to 2 strokes)…all major manufacturers have to roll out bikes…and battery tech has a loooooong way to go.

I look forward to the prices coming down and being able to buy a Yamaha EMX bike with 100 miles of range (or a quick change battery I can swap in a minute or so at a pit stop, and get 100 miles out of two batteries) at A class speeds in the desert…I love the technology…but I just think we are a ways off yet…like over a decade.
I‘d say about 5 years.
Assuming that Stark delivers what we have seen at their test in Spain and they can do a moto at pro speed, people will switch and they will immediately sell more motocross bikes than the other brands, which will force the established brands to bring their own eMX bikes.

I‘m just talking about motocross. You won’t get a 100 mile range out of a electric dirt bike weighing 240 pounds.
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#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
Titan1 wrote:
“In a few years”? Define “few”…. I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing...
“In a few years”? Define “few”….

I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing ICE bikes in terms of popularity (similar to what 4 strokes have done to 2 strokes)…all major manufacturers have to roll out bikes…and battery tech has a loooooong way to go.

I look forward to the prices coming down and being able to buy a Yamaha EMX bike with 100 miles of range (or a quick change battery I can swap in a minute or so at a pit stop, and get 100 miles out of two batteries) at A class speeds in the desert…I love the technology…but I just think we are a ways off yet…like over a decade.
#434 wrote:
I‘d say about 5 years. Assuming that Stark delivers what we have seen at their test in Spain and they can do a moto at pro...
I‘d say about 5 years.
Assuming that Stark delivers what we have seen at their test in Spain and they can do a moto at pro speed, people will switch and they will immediately sell more motocross bikes than the other brands, which will force the established brands to bring their own eMX bikes.

I‘m just talking about motocross. You won’t get a 100 mile range out of a electric dirt bike weighing 240 pounds.
You’ve literally been huffing battery acid.
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You might actually be retarded lol.
#434 wrote:
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why. Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one...
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why.
Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one in terms of raw, one lap speed?
Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
If I had only one wish it would actually be for you to stop posting.
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You might actually be retarded lol.
#434 wrote:
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why. Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one...
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why.
Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one in terms of raw, one lap speed?
Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift and has no rotating crank messing up its handling?

As for racing: we have to wait if it can do a pro moto at full beans, but it sure as hell will have enough battery for a weekend warrior‘s 15 min moto.
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#434 wrote:
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why. Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one...
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why.
Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one in terms of raw, one lap speed?
Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
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If I had only one wish it would actually be for you to stop posting.
Cool 2001 profile pic boomer you’re irrelevant lmao
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#434 wrote:
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why. Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one...
I don’t mind that you call me retarded, but I‘d like to know why.
Do you really think a regular bike can beat an electric one in terms of raw, one lap speed?
Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
#434 wrote:
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift...
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift and has no rotating crank messing up its handling?

As for racing: we have to wait if it can do a pro moto at full beans, but it sure as hell will have enough battery for a weekend warrior‘s 15 min moto.
Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone 300+ pounds to ride with a factor of safety of at least 3. You live some kind of electronica power fantasy. What do you do for a living?
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Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
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If I had only one wish it would actually be for you to stop posting.
Cool 2001 profile pic boomer you’re irrelevant lmao
Oh man you really got me there, douchebag.
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Absolutely. Nobody races for one lap either. Seriously, stop posting here
#434 wrote:
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift...
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift and has no rotating crank messing up its handling?

As for racing: we have to wait if it can do a pro moto at full beans, but it sure as hell will have enough battery for a weekend warrior‘s 15 min moto.
Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone...
Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone 300+ pounds to ride with a factor of safety of at least 3. You live some kind of electronica power fantasy. What do you do for a living?
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike will have much less effect on the bike‘s handling than the crank of a 450.

I’m an engineer and work in the thermodynamics department of a company that builds four stroke engines for ships and power plants.

What do you do for a living?

Please, answer my questions from the post before. I will stop posting, if you can explain. I promise!
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#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
Titan1 wrote:
“In a few years”? Define “few”…. I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing...
“In a few years”? Define “few”….

I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing ICE bikes in terms of popularity (similar to what 4 strokes have done to 2 strokes)…all major manufacturers have to roll out bikes…and battery tech has a loooooong way to go.

I look forward to the prices coming down and being able to buy a Yamaha EMX bike with 100 miles of range (or a quick change battery I can swap in a minute or so at a pit stop, and get 100 miles out of two batteries) at A class speeds in the desert…I love the technology…but I just think we are a ways off yet…like over a decade.
#434 wrote:
I‘d say about 5 years. Assuming that Stark delivers what we have seen at their test in Spain and they can do a moto at pro...
I‘d say about 5 years.
Assuming that Stark delivers what we have seen at their test in Spain and they can do a moto at pro speed, people will switch and they will immediately sell more motocross bikes than the other brands, which will force the established brands to bring their own eMX bikes.

I‘m just talking about motocross. You won’t get a 100 mile range out of a electric dirt bike weighing 240 pounds.
I think you’ve got it backwards…major EMX adoption won’t happen until the major OEM’s start producing them…because until then EMX bikes will be perceived as a novelty the price point will still be too high…

So boutique brands (like stark and Alta) won’t be able replace ICE bikes and force the OEM’s hand.

The major OEM’s will eventually roll out their own EMX bikes, and then you will a major movement to towards emx…the price point will be much lower than stark could manage, and perception from consumers at that point will be that it’s a viable bike and then you will see a massive shift to EMX bikes. But assuming you are right about the range…there will never be a massive wide spread adoption of EMX bikes. Most people have one bike, and do multiple types of riding, so EMX bikes won’t be the bike they buy…

I have no stats or studies to back that up…it’s just my opinion based on my own experience and why I’m not buying a stark but wouldn’t hesitate to buy an EMX bike from a major OEM. And I know for a fact I’m not alone.
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#434 wrote:
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift...
I will, if you can explain me how a 450 should beat a Stark in raw speed, which has perfectly controllable power, doesn’t need to shift and has no rotating crank messing up its handling?

As for racing: we have to wait if it can do a pro moto at full beans, but it sure as hell will have enough battery for a weekend warrior‘s 15 min moto.
Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone...
Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone 300+ pounds to ride with a factor of safety of at least 3. You live some kind of electronica power fantasy. What do you do for a living?
#434 wrote:
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike...
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike will have much less effect on the bike‘s handling than the crank of a 450.

I’m an engineer and work in the thermodynamics department of a company that builds four stroke engines for ships and power plants.

What do you do for a living?

Please, answer my questions from the post before. I will stop posting, if you can explain. I promise!
So we went from “no rotating crank” to “well ackshually there’s just less, but I can’t quantify it”

I’m also a mechanical engineer. I did my undergrad in ME and worked in research with renewables. You didn’t specify much there either. So I’ll leave it at that.

Nobody works for “thermodynamics” so I’m inclined to think you’re a draftsman or something.
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Ahh he’s editing his posts now. Classic
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Lets leave it at this: Tomac would Still win on one Smile
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Jesus Christ. I liked the thread more when it was about tie-downs.
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Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone...
Have you ever seen inside an electric motor? Do you think it spins by magic electrons? It’s going to rotate a large enough shaft for someone 300+ pounds to ride with a factor of safety of at least 3. You live some kind of electronica power fantasy. What do you do for a living?
#434 wrote:
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike...
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike will have much less effect on the bike‘s handling than the crank of a 450.

I’m an engineer and work in the thermodynamics department of a company that builds four stroke engines for ships and power plants.

What do you do for a living?

Please, answer my questions from the post before. I will stop posting, if you can explain. I promise!
So we went from “no rotating crank” to “well ackshually there’s just less, but I can’t quantify it” I’m also a mechanical engineer. I did my...
So we went from “no rotating crank” to “well ackshually there’s just less, but I can’t quantify it”

I’m also a mechanical engineer. I did my undergrad in ME and worked in research with renewables. You didn’t specify much there either. So I’ll leave it at that.

Nobody works for “thermodynamics” so I’m inclined to think you’re a draftsman or something.
Bro, answer my question.
You’re an engineer, you should be able to give a reasonable explanation. I will stop posting, as I said.
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Lets leave it at this: Tomac would Still win on one Smile
Please go back to your spring thread or start another about how much you dislike your current bike... Please there is no reason for you to post on any E-moto thread. You have no positive input on this topic please just stay out of it.
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#434 wrote:
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike...
I‘m well aware how an electric motor works and that the backwards spinning motor of the Stark, sitting at the center of gravity of the bike will have much less effect on the bike‘s handling than the crank of a 450.

I’m an engineer and work in the thermodynamics department of a company that builds four stroke engines for ships and power plants.

What do you do for a living?

Please, answer my questions from the post before. I will stop posting, if you can explain. I promise!
So we went from “no rotating crank” to “well ackshually there’s just less, but I can’t quantify it” I’m also a mechanical engineer. I did my...
So we went from “no rotating crank” to “well ackshually there’s just less, but I can’t quantify it”

I’m also a mechanical engineer. I did my undergrad in ME and worked in research with renewables. You didn’t specify much there either. So I’ll leave it at that.

Nobody works for “thermodynamics” so I’m inclined to think you’re a draftsman or something.
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Bro, answer my question.
You’re an engineer, you should be able to give a reasonable explanation. I will stop posting, as I said.
Nothing bro?!?
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Been there done that. All y’all can lick my chocolate starfish😘 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/04/575642/s1200_92D81C1C_32BE_40CA_9432_03A7A455186F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/04/575641/s1200_7A08DDCF_55EF_4CDB_BD1B_5E7E817D9E90.jpg[/img]
Been there done that. All y’all can lick my chocolate starfish😘

Coincidentally, these are used by the same dudes that run neoprene fork seal “protectors.”
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Lets leave it at this: Tomac would Still win on one Smile
stimacr wrote:
Please go back to your spring thread or start another about how much you dislike your current bike... Please there is no reason for you to...
Please go back to your spring thread or start another about how much you dislike your current bike... Please there is no reason for you to post on any E-moto thread. You have no positive input on this topic please just stay out of it.
He didn’t even update his suspension thread cause he sounded so clueless in it.
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I am a supporter of both ICE & EV. I want both.

But you guys fighting to the end in here over EV can’t beat ICE are crazy lol.

I was at SEMA this week myself and the Tesla were destroying the ICE vehicles in the competitions. Was sad really.

Also look at the plaid’s running quarter miles in the high 8’s, no ICE car is doing this as comfortably as the EV.

But ICE has its strengths too, just not in performance in most instances. But you sure can’t beat the sound of ICE!
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Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
Titan1 wrote:
“In a few years”? Define “few”…. I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing...
“In a few years”? Define “few”….

I think it will be closer to 20 years, than 3 years, before e bikes are even close to replacing ICE bikes in terms of popularity (similar to what 4 strokes have done to 2 strokes)…all major manufacturers have to roll out bikes…and battery tech has a loooooong way to go.

I look forward to the prices coming down and being able to buy a Yamaha EMX bike with 100 miles of range (or a quick change battery I can swap in a minute or so at a pit stop, and get 100 miles out of two batteries) at A class speeds in the desert…I love the technology…but I just think we are a ways off yet…like over a decade.
I think you're not giving much credit to the advancement of the battery tech. The amount of money pouring into the battery tech, it's not that far off. And considering "everything" on the bike already outperforms the ICE bike, the only thing holding back the transition is "the battery". I get people don't like change, but if you really compare performance, what does the ICE bike do better other than go further? Time will tell.
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Why do you want to see gasoline bikes fail?
#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
You might actually be retarded lol.
Those of us already heavily involved in the electric space know that he’s actually right, the pace of this is going to blow peoples minds mark my words.
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#434 wrote:
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year. I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years...
No, I don’t. I will own both in a year.
I’m just very sure that most people will choose the eMX bike in a few years, just like today most MX riders choose the 4T over the 2T.
I hope the ICE bikes stay around for pro racing and the occasional Sunday. Everything else will be electric. They‘ll blow the ICE bikes away in terms of performance and handling.
You might actually be retarded lol.
JM485 wrote:
Those of us already heavily involved in the electric space know that he’s actually right, the pace of this is going to blow peoples minds mark...
Those of us already heavily involved in the electric space know that he’s actually right, the pace of this is going to blow peoples minds mark my words.
People that can’t see this are the real dipshits. I won’t use the word he used cause I’m not an asshole.
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