Diesel, what's the deal?

Edited Date/Time 11/6/2022 7:05am
Just heard (late to the party) we're about to run out of diesel. 25 days away. So who knows what? Before I go down the rabbit hole of what and why? This, if true seems like a pretty big deal. So why am I just hearing about it? Actually, to be fair, earlier in the year I did read that the CEO from the largest supplier talked about a shortage and rationing on the East Coast. But nothing since.
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I may be wrong, but I took that as we have a 25 day supply if the spigot was shut off.

Either way, it’s scary. Dementia Joe has us more vulnerable than we have ever been. He needs to be impeached for this crap. How many will die this winter from fuel oil shortages?
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10/27/2022 9:02pm
Demand and Ultra Low Sulfur Requirements.

Diesel used to have a really high sulfur content. Like 5000X higher than today. Diesel engines were fine with burning sour fuel so it wasn't much of an issue. This meant that sour crude could be refined into diesel without having to go through the trouble of significantly reducing sulfur content. This kept prices low. By 2010, all highway diesel had to be low sulphur. By 2016, pretty much all diesel for ag, logistics and industrial sales had to be ultra low sulfur. This meant that oil producers couldn't sell sour crude to diesel refiners anymore because it was just too expensive to remove all the sulfur. So both consumer gasoline and highway diesel had to come from sweet crude inputs.

On top of that, diesel fuel demand did not slump nearly as low as gasoline during the pandemic. Consumer driving dropped quite a bit and stayed low for a while before slowly rising, but diesel demand dipped and then rose again to pre pandemic levels. Surpluses in diesel didn't grow the same way that consumer gas did. We ended up with these wacky prices and threats of a shortage.

So diesel price is high and will remain high, but we're probably not going to run out. This same type of story came out about 6 months ago but it was a DEF shortage they were warning of. It never came, at least not to the extent they warned about. I'm not sure where these stories are coming from, but there's some chicken little stuff going on with highway logistics in this country. I imagine the price is still going to be high for a while but we'll never see diesel just disappear from the market.
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10/27/2022 9:18pm
He,s trying to put all the trucking co.s out of buisness. Fuel goes up the rates go down. It’s the opposite you would think. I just came out of dc I fueled in south bend Indiana near red Bud. Clear skies temp 48 at 1pm . Fuel is 2 plus more than gas. I heard a few months ago the east was going to hv a fuel shortage.you burn a lot of fuel climbing the steep hills in the east. This trk has 140 gal tanks on each side. Last trk had 150,s I can go along ways. I don’t pay for it I try to hit a flying j or pilot that isn’t too nuclear.
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10/28/2022 1:13am
It’s gone through the roof down here too , Rumours are we only have 10 days supply
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It also doesn't help that we have about half a dozen refineries sitting idle until taps are opened up again.

And they will indeed be opened again.

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I mentioned in another thread ,guys at work who have a long drive are volunteering to be laid of to save money because they drive diesel trucks.
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JC, is there anything that this administration can’t or won’t fuck up?
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JC, is there anything that this administration can’t or won’t fuck up?
Unfortunately not.
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10/28/2022 5:26am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2022 8:49am
scott_nz wrote:
It’s gone through the roof down here too , Rumours are we only have 10 days supply
I'd assume that, like we in OZ, you have no big refineries in Un Zud. Or, perhaps none at all?

We've not any Big refineries here now, and rely on most of our Fuel from Singapore refineries.

I checked, and we've only got 2 smaller refineries left in OZ. The government has paid them / will be paying them 1.8 BILLION USD, to ensure they'll stay open until 2027 and , perhaps out to 2030. Their capacities can't service our needs if supplies ceased from Singapore.

So, it's said that we are ever only a couple of weeks away from running 'dry'.

Each successive Gov here, be they left, middle or right, seem to have forgotten about the concept of Fuel Security.

Hell, only one state here - WA - has set a percentage of Gas to (Gas, as in Gas, not USA's wording for Petrol) be reserved for Local use. All the others, nope, we let companies sell it all - for absolutely buggerall in royalties - to the OS markets. Then, often, we are buying it back, re-importing it from Japan and elsewhere. Japanese, and other Countries consumers, of gas from OZ, pay far, far less for it, than Australian consumers. The price of Giga liters of gas, have multiplied by many, many times, here, in the last year or so, and innumerable businesses are going belly up.

We are close to being the largest supplier for Gas in the World, yet it's being priced out of reach for local use. We are also capable of being one of, if not, The Worlds biggest supplier of Renewable Energy, but I almost guarantee our 'Higher Ups', will f**k it up, either through Naivety, Stupidity , Incompetence, or Corruption.

Sometimes, I feel happy that I'm getting towards the end of my days: things really look like they are going to hell. I hope I'm wrong.
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My understanding is that if the supply of NEW diesel stopped today, we'd run out in 25 days.

But since its not clearly described, you want to know the quickest way to make sure we get darn close to running out? Have everybody thinking its doomsday and we are going to run out in 25 days so they run out and stock up, cutting the 25 day buffer closer to zero.

Toilet paper and hand sanitizer anyone?
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10/28/2022 6:44am
So it looks like current inventories are 106M barrels vs normal would be 132M, which equates to about 27 days of use. Yes we are making more but not fast enough to gain ground. And we are now starting the freight season ( which has been said will be light this year) but, it is still the biggest demand of the year. So when we were a net exporter of oil, we could send our higher sulfer content oil away and bring in cleaner oil for processing. I guess that's not the case now.
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What’s next? Really, what’s next?

I’m trying to get off the Doomsday/Apocalypse train, but it won’t slow down.
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Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my "green energy" "save the planet" "carbon footprint" "climate change" friends complain about fuel prices...lol. They can't connect the dots between the agenda they support (which is anti-fossil fuels) and the high prices they are complaining about.

One thing is for sure...when families can't afford to drive where they want, can't afford to heat their homes in the winter, or cool them in the summer, can't get their amazon delivered... the more of an inconvenience it is to their lives, "climate change" will gradually become less and less of a priority for people. Climate change is a first world problem...something people who can afford it have the luxury of worrying about.
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Fucked Up Energy Polices.
Period.
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Titan1 wrote:
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my...
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my "green energy" "save the planet" "carbon footprint" "climate change" friends complain about fuel prices...lol. They can't connect the dots between the agenda they support (which is anti-fossil fuels) and the high prices they are complaining about.

One thing is for sure...when families can't afford to drive where they want, can't afford to heat their homes in the winter, or cool them in the summer, can't get their amazon delivered... the more of an inconvenience it is to their lives, "climate change" will gradually become less and less of a priority for people. Climate change is a first world problem...something people who can afford it have the luxury of worrying about.
This ^^^^^^^
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10/28/2022 12:48pm
Well a reporter asked John Kirby about it in a press briefing and he just said he didn't know then went on to talk about sending lng to Europe.
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Titan1 wrote:
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my...
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my "green energy" "save the planet" "carbon footprint" "climate change" friends complain about fuel prices...lol. They can't connect the dots between the agenda they support (which is anti-fossil fuels) and the high prices they are complaining about.

One thing is for sure...when families can't afford to drive where they want, can't afford to heat their homes in the winter, or cool them in the summer, can't get their amazon delivered... the more of an inconvenience it is to their lives, "climate change" will gradually become less and less of a priority for people. Climate change is a first world problem...something people who can afford it have the luxury of worrying about.
This ^^^^^^^
The developing world looks at the US and thinks “So you vomited billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere for over a century, and now that you’re “green”, you want us to follow suit? No thanks, pal! Sorry, gotta run. China’s on the other line with a metric shit-ton of Yuan to spend, no strings attached. Later!”
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Titan1 wrote:
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my...
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my "green energy" "save the planet" "carbon footprint" "climate change" friends complain about fuel prices...lol. They can't connect the dots between the agenda they support (which is anti-fossil fuels) and the high prices they are complaining about.

One thing is for sure...when families can't afford to drive where they want, can't afford to heat their homes in the winter, or cool them in the summer, can't get their amazon delivered... the more of an inconvenience it is to their lives, "climate change" will gradually become less and less of a priority for people. Climate change is a first world problem...something people who can afford it have the luxury of worrying about.
This ^^^^^^^
I don't understand why the GOP isn't shouting this from the rooftops! The DNC constantly touts themselves as the champions of the poor and middle class, but all they do is hurt them with their environmental agenda...if the GOP would get on the horn, and connect the dots for these people-who just see the handouts and think the Dems are working for them- (DNC environmental policy is why gas prices are so expensive, and gas prices being so high is why heating costs are high and food costs are high, etc. etc. ), they could make major headway in the poor/middle class demographic come election time.
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LoudLove wrote:
The developing world looks at the US and thinks “So you vomited billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere for over a century, and now...
The developing world looks at the US and thinks “So you vomited billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere for over a century, and now that you’re “green”, you want us to follow suit? No thanks, pal! Sorry, gotta run. China’s on the other line with a metric shit-ton of Yuan to spend, no strings attached. Later!”
"No strings attached" INGLaughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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10/29/2022 3:57am Edited Date/Time 10/31/2022 11:45pm
Titan1 wrote:
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my...
Off topic, slightly, (because we have 1m barrels less refining capacity today than we did in 2019) but I just chuckle watching so many of my "green energy" "save the planet" "carbon footprint" "climate change" friends complain about fuel prices...lol. They can't connect the dots between the agenda they support (which is anti-fossil fuels) and the high prices they are complaining about.

One thing is for sure...when families can't afford to drive where they want, can't afford to heat their homes in the winter, or cool them in the summer, can't get their amazon delivered... the more of an inconvenience it is to their lives, "climate change" will gradually become less and less of a priority for people. Climate change is a first world problem...something people who can afford it have the luxury of worrying about.
This ^^^^^^^
Titan1 wrote:
I don't understand why the GOP isn't shouting this from the rooftops! The DNC constantly touts themselves as the champions of the poor and middle class...
I don't understand why the GOP isn't shouting this from the rooftops! The DNC constantly touts themselves as the champions of the poor and middle class, but all they do is hurt them with their environmental agenda...if the GOP would get on the horn, and connect the dots for these people-who just see the handouts and think the Dems are working for them- (DNC environmental policy is why gas prices are so expensive, and gas prices being so high is why heating costs are high and food costs are high, etc. etc. ), they could make major headway in the poor/middle class demographic come election time.
Ironic that the politicians getting their strings pulled by the global warming/climate change activists, are now putting countless European families, and quite a few elderly on a fixed income here, in danger of succumbing to cold temps this winter, with their ridiculous actions on shutting down fossil fuels from russia in Europe, and OUR own resources under OUR own soil.

And in our case, our doddering old fool running around to other countries begging for their oil.

WTF ??
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Well a reporter asked John Kirby about it in a press briefing and he just said he didn't know then went on to talk about sending...
Well a reporter asked John Kirby about it in a press briefing and he just said he didn't know then went on to talk about sending lng to Europe.
Just saw that interview thiz morning.
Unfrikkinbelievable.

Either a complete moron, or a full on lying p.o.s.
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I found the cause…

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It’s scary what this administration has done to our country in just 2 years. I can’t imagine what it will be in two more! 😳
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mXn181 wrote:
It’s scary what this administration has done to our country in just 2 years. I can’t imagine what it will be in two more! 😳
He'll be a lame duck beginning next week.
As will his entire political party.

We can only hope that the real deocome back and reclaim their party from the jackals that have shaghai'd it.
(Yes, even I'll admit that there's sensible Democrats out there. They just been pushed off to the side)

Ww seriously need a Reagan/Tip O'Neill relationship back in OUR nation's capital.
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mXn181 wrote:
It’s scary what this administration has done to our country in just 2 years. I can’t imagine what it will be in two more! 😳
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient in the Oval Office is doing a fine job with CornPop stories, invisible man handshakes, child sniffing/fondling, wide open border lunacy and literal nuclear armageddon foreign policy.




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mXn181 wrote:
It’s scary what this administration has done to our country in just 2 years. I can’t imagine what it will be in two more! 😳
JAFO92 wrote:
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient...
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient in the Oval Office is doing a fine job with CornPop stories, invisible man handshakes, child sniffing/fondling, wide open border lunacy and literal nuclear armageddon foreign policy.




🤣 They can come at me all they want I could care less. Anybody that feels the need to defend that senile puppet or his handlers isn’t even worth having a conversation with.
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mXn181 wrote:
It’s scary what this administration has done to our country in just 2 years. I can’t imagine what it will be in two more! 😳
JAFO92 wrote:
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient...
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient in the Oval Office is doing a fine job with CornPop stories, invisible man handshakes, child sniffing/fondling, wide open border lunacy and literal nuclear armageddon foreign policy.




Holy shit!
That video recent?

She should have kneed him in the pussy.
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mXn181 wrote:
It’s scary what this administration has done to our country in just 2 years. I can’t imagine what it will be in two more! 😳
JAFO92 wrote:
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient...
Careful, the Biden-Brigade will come at you on here telling you everything happening now is Trumps fault, white-patriarchy racism and pronoun bigotry! The meandering dementia patient in the Oval Office is doing a fine job with CornPop stories, invisible man handshakes, child sniffing/fondling, wide open border lunacy and literal nuclear armageddon foreign policy.




SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Holy shit! That video recent? She should have kneed him in the pussy.
Holy shit!
That video recent?

She should have kneed him in the pussy.
And still…The Biden Blowers continue to hide in the shadows and tell themselves “He’s got a plan!”

Grinning

Still living, Rent Free, in their scared little minds!
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11/2/2022 11:20am
President Biden said the other day that he lowered the cost of gas. It's lower than when he took office.
So I went to the gas station and gave them $30 for 10 gallons of gas and told them to keep the change, you know,
President Biden said the cost of gas is lower. They must be Right Wingers because they just laughed at me.
They only gave me 6 gallons. I was devastated. Who knew the President of the United States
just makes stuff up?
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