Owning & Operating MX Track

Sr_Vet_Rider 10/25/2022 10:24am
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avidchimp wrote:
You wouldn't even know Piru was even an MX track anymore. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/25/574440/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_10_25_at_10.18.47_AM.jpg[/img]
You wouldn't even know Piru was even an MX track anymore.
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Had some good memories at that place !
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avidchimp 10/25/2022 10:28am
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avidchimp wrote:
You wouldn't even know Piru was even an MX track anymore. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/25/574440/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_10_25_at_10.18.47_AM.jpg[/img]
You wouldn't even know Piru was even an MX track anymore.
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Had some good memories at that place !
One of my favorite memories of that place was when John from KSV brought me out a 2001 KX 125 . I hadn't been on one for many years, and it was quite possibly the most fun I have had on a bike to this day.
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dinger212 10/25/2022 10:33am
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Only live once, go for it. Some sound advice rolling around. Doing it because you love it, not to just make money is important. Also, gaining experience working at a track isn’t a bad idea. I built & maintained a private-ish practice track at my parents growing up. Granted, it wasn’t a money making concept, some of my best memories are there. If your heart is in the right place, make it happen.
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avidchimp 10/25/2022 10:36am
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As I've always said, the only way an MX track makes money is when it's used to launder money from other enterprises.
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Adam43 10/25/2022 11:20am
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Read JustMX's post and read it again until it sticks in.

Pursuing this dream and financing it in the fashion you suggest would quickly turn it into your biggest nightmare.

Start much more modestly (small, simple private track for yourself and friends) and go very slowly from there.

You will rapidly get a better understanding of the economics and potential demand. Find a way to keep your burn rate as close to zero as possible.
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Dude Abides 10/25/2022 4:53pm
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Good Luck Love4Moto.
I wish you success....
but if Guy Cooper's Cooper-land (both owners) could not succeed ....and his place was A1 condition IMO....might want to think it over.

Also land appreciates - yes - but it can also depreciate. Quickly.
It is what I do for my occupation....just keep that it in mind.

Have you approached any neighbors about your plans ?
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bite_the_curb 10/25/2022 5:25pm
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i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club.

but arksansas isnt like CA or the northeast where alot of people have $$ ..pretty sure most of y'all are poor

the economics dont really make sense unless you have some other way of financing it
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I am from TN and numerous tracks have come and gone in AR. The demand is not high enough there IMO, but if you think it is, reach out to those who owned those tracks and find out why they don't anymore.

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huck 10/26/2022 6:21am
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bite_the_curb wrote:
i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club. but arksansas isnt like CA or the...
i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club.

but arksansas isnt like CA or the northeast where alot of people have $$ ..pretty sure most of y'all are poor

the economics dont really make sense unless you have some other way of financing it
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area. Some of the best mtn biking in the US is located in that area. Walmart money flows through those trails like there's no end. With the right connections/luck to certain families in NWA (north west arkansas), a world class facility could be built, with no regard to if it's profitable or not.

https://onlyinark.com/sports/bentonville-mountain-biking-capital-of-the…



You're right, Arkansas isn't like California... THANK GOD!
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ButtWhipSupreme 10/26/2022 7:48am
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Let me start by saying I do not, and never have, ran or operated a track. I think you have look at it like the restaurant...
Let me start by saying I do not, and never have, ran or operated a track.

I think you have look at it like the restaurant business; obviously some can make it profitable but most will struggle to keep their head above water and call it quits after a few years. You will need to be able to run a business (which is a ton of work in itself and not easy) and be able to put out a quality product still. Many find the business aspect very draining and sucks the enthusiasm out of what you were once passionate about.

You need to be real sure about zoning and any special use permits before making any moves. You ideally do not want to have to operate under a conditional use permit since that can be revoked. This seems to be the major hang up for most of the private tracks posted on vital, and is an issue for my local track.

"The plan is to have a shop with bathrooms, concessions, mechanic, and OEM and aftermarket parts counter at this motocross track. A track for the big bikes and main events, and a "kids" track for beginners and 65cc and under bikes. I plan on having camper hookups for race weekends and overnighters that want to stay for more than 1 day of riding. as well as lights and bleachers for night time riding and spectating."

Have you considered building towards this grand plan? Perhaps it would be wise to minimize your outlay to start out. Start with a single track, parking lot, and port-a-johns and figure out how to run a track and make some profit, most likely as a practice track. You can make a real basic kids track and start building it up over time. If you can set aside some of the woods for trails you can widen your demographic and set up to hold a hare scramble in the future (which are very profitable in my experience). Don't hold a race until you have experience running the track; racers can be very critical and if you botch it you'll have the reputation of shit track/place to race for a long time.

Lastly, if you're willing to stray from being a MX only place (sacrilege, I know) you can open yourself up to more profitable demographics. On the east coast it seems that ATV and UTV guys have bottomless pockets and will pay to ride on any shit trail, especially if you offer camping at the facility. To be clear you don't let them on the track, you would have to set aside trails for them. If you want to sell your soul to turn a profit, this is always an option.
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This almost sounds like a lose-lose to me though, when it comes to starting small. If people come to my track and have to use porta...
This almost sounds like a lose-lose to me though, when it comes to starting small. If people come to my track and have to use porta potties and I only have the 1 track, that minimizes the people who will come, and if they do it will minimize the amount of people that will want to come back. I know you can never make everyone happy, but if we start big and advertise right, all the amenities (restrooms, fencing, shop services, ect), will bring people to the track, and will also keep the people wanting to come back.

I have asked my county about the laws when it come to noise and zoning in my area and explained what why I was asking. They responded and told me that if I was out of the city limits there are no laws on noise or zoning. What else is there to ask about. They told me I have to register my business with the state and aquire an LLC, so if I'm correct, I wouldn't be operating off of a conditional use permit. It would be with an LLC. Or is this something totally different, if so, please explain.
Ask if you need a conditional use permit to use it as a business in an ag or residential zoning district. Shoot me a message. I’m in a legal battle with the county over my track and a civil battle with a neighbor.
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Between this and the Tyla Rattray facility thread, alot of people could use some information/education about what zoning restrictions mean for your land and what to look out for when applying for a special use permit. Zoning restrictions and personal injury issues are the 2 biggest things that landowners are potentially exposed to when riding on their own property and most people don't know anything about it or just have heard something here or there. If the industry wants to survive and thrive it should address these issues, but I think it's better just not to mention it to people looking to spend 10k on a dirtbike or 20k on a side by side at your dealership.
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to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface this all sounds great, but what happens is now you're actually operating in a grey area. I get to deal with each situation. I have a track that had to get a special use permit, special zoning, deq / fema approval, etc. I worry much less about it than I do the track in the boonies.
bite_the_curb 10/26/2022 4:49pm
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huck wrote:
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area...
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area. Some of the best mtn biking in the US is located in that area. Walmart money flows through those trails like there's no end. With the right connections/luck to certain families in NWA (north west arkansas), a world class facility could be built, with no regard to if it's profitable or not.

https://onlyinark.com/sports/bentonville-mountain-biking-capital-of-the…



You're right, Arkansas isn't like California... THANK GOD!
yea and how many of those people ride and how many of those people are there?

the big metro areas have millions of people. arkansas aint shit
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Only Facts 10/26/2022 5:05pm
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My dream has been to own and operate a motocross track since the time I hit my first jump. Everything I can find from previous forums...
My dream has been to own and operate a motocross track since the time I hit my first jump. Everything I can find from previous forums is all negative. If there was no way to make money in the sport then there would be no tracks that are open to the public. There has to be a way to make this a successful business even when starting with no land or even nothing, but I'M not.

My Father-in-Law has 185 acres that I'm currently living on, with the option to buy as much of it as I'd like (for a killer price these days). We are in the country and have checked with the county on noise and zoning laws in my area, and they say I'm in a spot to where owning and operating a track is very possible.

My Father-in-Law also has all the equipment necessary to prep and re-design the track. He would let me use this equipment for the track, but would charge me a fee to use it, that and I would have to pay for fuel and if I needed to have one of his guys operate the machinery, I would be required to pay them for their time as well. The only thing we are missing is the water truck.

I have a solid business plan and a couple of people to back me when it comes to a down payment for the business loan. I know people say if you dont own the land outright the track will not be profitable, but there has to be a way.

The plan is to have a shop with bathrooms, concessions, mechanic, and OEM and aftermarket parts counter at this motocross track. A track for the big bikes and main events, and a "kids" track for beginners and 65cc and under bikes. I plan on having camper hookups for race weekends and overnighters that want to stay for more than 1 day of riding. as well as lights and bleachers for night time riding and spectating.

Is there anyone out there that might have some new insight on how to make this all possible and profitable in todays world?
You just described Breezewood Proving Grounds here in PA. Flourishing facility in the middle of nowhere. People drive for hours to go there. Look them up, good model to follow.
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FreshTopEnd 10/26/2022 5:54pm
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Get clear guidance on permitting and land use. Sounds like you are on the right track with insurance and legal. Watch debt so you don't have to sustain high cash flow every month to service debt; give yourself some cushion.

Determine the hard cost, including a salary to you. Charge at least what it costs. Don't be dreamy here unless you have deep pockets (nothing wrong with burning money on moto if you have it and it is what you want to spend it on).

Maybe ask shops if you can survey riders what they expect to pay for a decent track. Get a sense of the demand against that hard cost.

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huck wrote:
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area...
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area. Some of the best mtn biking in the US is located in that area. Walmart money flows through those trails like there's no end. With the right connections/luck to certain families in NWA (north west arkansas), a world class facility could be built, with no regard to if it's profitable or not.

https://onlyinark.com/sports/bentonville-mountain-biking-capital-of-the…



You're right, Arkansas isn't like California... THANK GOD!
bite_the_curb wrote:
yea and how many of those people ride and how many of those people are there? the big metro areas have millions of people. arkansas aint...
yea and how many of those people ride and how many of those people are there?

the big metro areas have millions of people. arkansas aint shit
Have you ever been to the area in question?
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huck wrote:
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area...
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area. Some of the best mtn biking in the US is located in that area. Walmart money flows through those trails like there's no end. With the right connections/luck to certain families in NWA (north west arkansas), a world class facility could be built, with no regard to if it's profitable or not.

https://onlyinark.com/sports/bentonville-mountain-biking-capital-of-the…



You're right, Arkansas isn't like California... THANK GOD!
bite_the_curb wrote:
yea and how many of those people ride and how many of those people are there? the big metro areas have millions of people. arkansas aint...
yea and how many of those people ride and how many of those people are there?

the big metro areas have millions of people. arkansas aint shit
Well, at least you spelled Arkansas correctly in your last response.
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And..... Dont forget dust! you can do everything else correct but if neighbors complain to the DEQ about the dust thats going to be a very...
And..... Dont forget dust! you can do everything else correct but if neighbors complain to the DEQ about the dust thats going to be a very difficult hurdle to clear. Dust shuts down many tracks!
The track will not be close to any neighbors

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bite_the_curb wrote:
i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club. but arksansas isnt like CA or the...
i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club.

but arksansas isnt like CA or the northeast where alot of people have $$ ..pretty sure most of y'all are poor

the economics dont really make sense unless you have some other way of financing it
huck wrote:
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area...
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area. Some of the best mtn biking in the US is located in that area. Walmart money flows through those trails like there's no end. With the right connections/luck to certain families in NWA (north west arkansas), a world class facility could be built, with no regard to if it's profitable or not.

https://onlyinark.com/sports/bentonville-mountain-biking-capital-of-the…



You're right, Arkansas isn't like California... THANK GOD!
This is exactly my thoughts. Bentonville, AR IS the #1 mountain biking area in the US. There has to be a portion of those people who would slap a motor under them and hit jumps as well, not including the people that ride MX and not mountain bikes. Lots of big named opportunities for sponsorships and such, but I'm not sure if they would be affiliated themselves with this type of business. I still need to talk to these "big named" businesses in NWA, but I think I will have troubles getting a cooperate business to be involved with a sports facility. I have given thought about making this a training facility similar to Reynards but on a smaller scale, but for this to take place I would HAVE to have support from these big corporations in NWA. A facility takes a lot more expense than a practice track. Just one that comes to mind is sleeping arrangements for the people that choose to train for more than just a day or two. More FT employees as well. With all that you still have all the expenses as the practice track has as well.
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Love4Moto 10/27/2022 8:03am
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Racerx930 wrote:
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface...
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface this all sounds great, but what happens is now you're actually operating in a grey area. I get to deal with each situation. I have a track that had to get a special use permit, special zoning, deq / fema approval, etc. I worry much less about it than I do the track in the boonies.
Elaborate why your concern is more for the boonies track?
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This is exactly my thoughts. Bentonville, AR IS the #1 mountain biking area in the US. There has to be a portion of those people who...
This is exactly my thoughts. Bentonville, AR IS the #1 mountain biking area in the US. There has to be a portion of those people who would slap a motor under them and hit jumps as well, not including the people that ride MX and not mountain bikes. Lots of big named opportunities for sponsorships and such, but I'm not sure if they would be affiliated themselves with this type of business. I still need to talk to these "big named" businesses in NWA, but I think I will have troubles getting a cooperate business to be involved with a sports facility. I have given thought about making this a training facility similar to Reynards but on a smaller scale, but for this to take place I would HAVE to have support from these big corporations in NWA. A facility takes a lot more expense than a practice track. Just one that comes to mind is sleeping arrangements for the people that choose to train for more than just a day or two. More FT employees as well. With all that you still have all the expenses as the practice track has as well.
so what if its the mtn bike capital of the usa?

other posts here have mentioned that tracks come and go in the south for a reason..no one wants to pay up.

if you had another business or income stream to subsidize it while it gets going, it might not be a bad idea but if you have to take out a loan, youre at a big disadvantage
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bite_the_curb wrote:
i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club. but arksansas isnt like CA or the...
i think it could be profitable if you ran it as a training facility or like a private club.

but arksansas isnt like CA or the northeast where alot of people have $$ ..pretty sure most of y'all are poor

the economics dont really make sense unless you have some other way of financing it
huck wrote:
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area...
Are you dumb or just showing your ignorance? On any day over there, you can count hundreds of people riding $5,000+ bikes all over that area. Some of the best mtn biking in the US is located in that area. Walmart money flows through those trails like there's no end. With the right connections/luck to certain families in NWA (north west arkansas), a world class facility could be built, with no regard to if it's profitable or not.

https://onlyinark.com/sports/bentonville-mountain-biking-capital-of-the…



You're right, Arkansas isn't like California... THANK GOD!
Love4Moto wrote:
This is exactly my thoughts. Bentonville, AR IS the #1 mountain biking area in the US. There has to be a portion of those people who...
This is exactly my thoughts. Bentonville, AR IS the #1 mountain biking area in the US. There has to be a portion of those people who would slap a motor under them and hit jumps as well, not including the people that ride MX and not mountain bikes. Lots of big named opportunities for sponsorships and such, but I'm not sure if they would be affiliated themselves with this type of business. I still need to talk to these "big named" businesses in NWA, but I think I will have troubles getting a cooperate business to be involved with a sports facility. I have given thought about making this a training facility similar to Reynards but on a smaller scale, but for this to take place I would HAVE to have support from these big corporations in NWA. A facility takes a lot more expense than a practice track. Just one that comes to mind is sleeping arrangements for the people that choose to train for more than just a day or two. More FT employees as well. With all that you still have all the expenses as the practice track has as well.
While you're not wrong in that there is some cross over, the MTB crowd may be a tough sale. They're used to showing up whenever, riding for free, and leaving after an hour of which 59 minutes was spent on the pedals. Sitting at a MX track all day waiting for your practice sessions is pretty boring in comparison.
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zippytech wrote:
I have thought about this for the last 30 + years, My hang-up has always been the insurance thing, I have never found any or any...
I have thought about this for the last 30 + years, My hang-up has always been the insurance thing, I have never found any or any that is reasonable.
Love4Moto wrote:
This lady should be able change your mind. Send her an email let her know Cory Smith from Southwest Missouri told you to contact her. Tanya...
This lady should be able change your mind. Send her an email let her know Cory Smith from Southwest Missouri told you to contact her.


Tanya Hermann

CSR Manager

National Motorsports

1539 N 33rd Place, Suite A

Sheboygan, WI 53081

Email- Tanya@nationalmotorsports.com

Direct Line- 920-694-1887
So curiosity got the best of me and I got ahold of your contact at National motorsports. I thought maybe they knew something I didn't and maybe I was significantly overpaying. At $22,000 a year to cover practices only I would be INSTANTLY shutting the doors.
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to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface...
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface this all sounds great, but what happens is now you're actually operating in a grey area. I get to deal with each situation. I have a track that had to get a special use permit, special zoning, deq / fema approval, etc. I worry much less about it than I do the track in the boonies.
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Elaborate why your concern is more for the boonies track?
Because without any permits or zoning allowing you to do what you're doing everythings OK until someone wants to declare you a nuisance. When the city grants you a special use permit, proper zoning etc. they have shown they are in favor of what you are doing and you are a benefit to the city, not a nuisance.
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Racerx930 wrote:
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface...
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface this all sounds great, but what happens is now you're actually operating in a grey area. I get to deal with each situation. I have a track that had to get a special use permit, special zoning, deq / fema approval, etc. I worry much less about it than I do the track in the boonies.
Love4Moto wrote:
Elaborate why your concern is more for the boonies track?
Have you put pen to paper on expenses vs. the minimum number of entry fees you need to cover those expenses. Basically found the break even point? How many tracks are in your general area that you will be competing with? Is this the most profitable venture you can do with the land?

Is there a pond or natural water on the property?
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zippytech wrote:
I have thought about this for the last 30 + years, My hang-up has always been the insurance thing, I have never found any or any...
I have thought about this for the last 30 + years, My hang-up has always been the insurance thing, I have never found any or any that is reasonable.
Love4Moto wrote:
This lady should be able change your mind. Send her an email let her know Cory Smith from Southwest Missouri told you to contact her. Tanya...
This lady should be able change your mind. Send her an email let her know Cory Smith from Southwest Missouri told you to contact her.


Tanya Hermann

CSR Manager

National Motorsports

1539 N 33rd Place, Suite A

Sheboygan, WI 53081

Email- Tanya@nationalmotorsports.com

Direct Line- 920-694-1887
Racerx930 wrote:
So curiosity got the best of me and I got ahold of your contact at National motorsports. I thought maybe they knew something I didn't and...
So curiosity got the best of me and I got ahold of your contact at National motorsports. I thought maybe they knew something I didn't and maybe I was significantly overpaying. At $22,000 a year to cover practices only I would be INSTANTLY shutting the doors.
No way! I got a quote from them 3 months ago and got $10,000/ year. 22k is extremely high. Maybe it depends on where you live? Missouri is a pretty cheap living state compared.
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Love4Moto 10/27/2022 2:16pm
10/27/2022 2:16pm
Racerx930 wrote:
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface...
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface this all sounds great, but what happens is now you're actually operating in a grey area. I get to deal with each situation. I have a track that had to get a special use permit, special zoning, deq / fema approval, etc. I worry much less about it than I do the track in the boonies.
Love4Moto wrote:
Elaborate why your concern is more for the boonies track?
Racerx930 wrote:
Because without any permits or zoning allowing you to do what you're doing everythings OK until someone wants to declare you a nuisance. When the city...
Because without any permits or zoning allowing you to do what you're doing everythings OK until someone wants to declare you a nuisance. When the city grants you a special use permit, proper zoning etc. they have shown they are in favor of what you are doing and you are a benefit to the city, not a nuisance.
Thank you, sir. I will add that to the list of must haves. I appreciate it.
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Love4Moto 10/27/2022 2:23pm
10/27/2022 2:23pm
Racerx930 wrote:
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface...
to the gentleman who talked about being out of city limits and no laws / zoning. I have 2 tracks. I realize that on the surface this all sounds great, but what happens is now you're actually operating in a grey area. I get to deal with each situation. I have a track that had to get a special use permit, special zoning, deq / fema approval, etc. I worry much less about it than I do the track in the boonies.
Love4Moto wrote:
Elaborate why your concern is more for the boonies track?
IWreckALot wrote:
Have you put pen to paper on expenses vs. the minimum number of entry fees you need to cover those expenses. Basically found the break even...
Have you put pen to paper on expenses vs. the minimum number of entry fees you need to cover those expenses. Basically found the break even point? How many tracks are in your general area that you will be competing with? Is this the most profitable venture you can do with the land?

Is there a pond or natural water on the property?
Yes I have done the math. Jandebuers MX, Ascott MX, South of the Ozarks MX, and Gas MX are all the tracks within a reasonable distance. Gas mx being the closest at 1hr away and South of the ozarks being 2 hours 5 min (the furthest I have driven locally).
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Love4Moto 10/27/2022 2:24pm
10/27/2022 2:24pm
zippytech wrote:
I have thought about this for the last 30 + years, My hang-up has always been the insurance thing, I have never found any or any...
I have thought about this for the last 30 + years, My hang-up has always been the insurance thing, I have never found any or any that is reasonable.
Love4Moto wrote:
This lady should be able change your mind. Send her an email let her know Cory Smith from Southwest Missouri told you to contact her. Tanya...
This lady should be able change your mind. Send her an email let her know Cory Smith from Southwest Missouri told you to contact her.


Tanya Hermann

CSR Manager

National Motorsports

1539 N 33rd Place, Suite A

Sheboygan, WI 53081

Email- Tanya@nationalmotorsports.com

Direct Line- 920-694-1887
Racerx930 wrote:
So curiosity got the best of me and I got ahold of your contact at National motorsports. I thought maybe they knew something I didn't and...
So curiosity got the best of me and I got ahold of your contact at National motorsports. I thought maybe they knew something I didn't and maybe I was significantly overpaying. At $22,000 a year to cover practices only I would be INSTANTLY shutting the doors.
What're you currently paying if you dont mind me asking?
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Racerx930 10/27/2022 2:26pm
10/27/2022 2:26pm
They told me 22k and it was the only policy they offered + didn't include races. 10k is about what I pay now.

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