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jetbull721 10/18/2022 7:22pm
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Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to the invasion, prompting a reaction from Russia. This could explain Bidens accurate prediction of the invasion a week prior of the invasion. Potentially sounds like someone wanted a conflict and knew what buttons to push. If this information has any accuracy at all it's really condemning to the western MSM media blanket coverage of a brutal Russian "unprovoked and unjustified" invasion. Some more verifiable evidence would clear up alot, but something to keep an eye on at least.











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The title of this literally makes it clear it was a Russian claim. The article goes on to state that Russia was most likely still massing troops on the border the whole time.

Russia is the aggressor here. It’s not an open question.
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jetbull721 wrote:
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to...
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to the invasion, prompting a reaction from Russia. This could explain Bidens accurate prediction of the invasion a week prior of the invasion. Potentially sounds like someone wanted a conflict and knew what buttons to push. If this information has any accuracy at all it's really condemning to the western MSM media blanket coverage of a brutal Russian "unprovoked and unjustified" invasion. Some more verifiable evidence would clear up alot, but something to keep an eye on at least.











You mean Ukraine was fighting Russian contractors and mercenaries prior to the invasion? Big fucking surprise there.
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jetbull721 wrote:
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to...
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to the invasion, prompting a reaction from Russia. This could explain Bidens accurate prediction of the invasion a week prior of the invasion. Potentially sounds like someone wanted a conflict and knew what buttons to push. If this information has any accuracy at all it's really condemning to the western MSM media blanket coverage of a brutal Russian "unprovoked and unjustified" invasion. Some more verifiable evidence would clear up alot, but something to keep an eye on at least.











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You mean Ukraine was fighting Russian contractors and mercenaries prior to the invasion? Big fucking surprise there.
Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important.

The Azov Battalion logo:



Anything look familiar?

The Black Sun:



And then there's this:



And this:



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jetbull721 wrote:
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to...
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to the invasion, prompting a reaction from Russia. This could explain Bidens accurate prediction of the invasion a week prior of the invasion. Potentially sounds like someone wanted a conflict and knew what buttons to push. If this information has any accuracy at all it's really condemning to the western MSM media blanket coverage of a brutal Russian "unprovoked and unjustified" invasion. Some more verifiable evidence would clear up alot, but something to keep an eye on at least.











Troop build up started half a year before February 24th. What you saying is russians knew in advance shelling would increase.
Here is hard truth- year 2021 and up to February 24th 2022 was the most peaceful time in 8 years. All that Donbass bombing is bullshit. It`s was an exuse to invade. Several month later Putin stopped pretending and openly admited it`s all a land grab. He wants to be czar of Russia it was back in 1800`s. Ukraine is integral part of Russian empire of 1800`s.
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jetbull721 10/19/2022 10:12am
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jetbull721 wrote:
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to...
Interesting intel that I've never heard before: Apparently shelling of the russian speaking portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian side had dramatically intensified leading up to the invasion, prompting a reaction from Russia. This could explain Bidens accurate prediction of the invasion a week prior of the invasion. Potentially sounds like someone wanted a conflict and knew what buttons to push. If this information has any accuracy at all it's really condemning to the western MSM media blanket coverage of a brutal Russian "unprovoked and unjustified" invasion. Some more verifiable evidence would clear up alot, but something to keep an eye on at least.











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Troop build up started half a year before February 24th. What you saying is russians knew in advance shelling would increase. Here is hard truth- year...
Troop build up started half a year before February 24th. What you saying is russians knew in advance shelling would increase.
Here is hard truth- year 2021 and up to February 24th 2022 was the most peaceful time in 8 years. All that Donbass bombing is bullshit. It`s was an exuse to invade. Several month later Putin stopped pretending and openly admited it`s all a land grab. He wants to be czar of Russia it was back in 1800`s. Ukraine is integral part of Russian empire of 1800`s.
I'm not saying I know jack shit on what's going on on the ground, but there seems to be reports that go against the "most peaceful time in 8 years" observation. This is a report from a week before the invasion:



https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-17-22-intl#h_644734e4591ca2e2ed57d2faaebef55d




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kongols 10/19/2022 10:26am
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Why do americans are hell bent on trying to prove US government- Biden is to blame?
Sorry, dumb queston- it's election year.
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It turned in to every other thread in here. Predictable and I'm proud it went somewhat sane for 60 pages. Thanks.
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colintrax 10/19/2022 10:32am
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Why do americans are hell bent on trying to prove US government- Biden is to blame?
Sorry, dumb queston- it's election year.
Lots of groups, including Russia are good at these online operations. Create distrust and anger amongst communities, now we're too busy fighting eachother to deal with what's going on in the world.

We know Russians, IN RUSSIA, were organizing rallies for BLM, MAGA, Antifa, etc etc.
Yet people keep falling for it.
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I'm not saying I know jack shit on what's going on on the ground, but there seems to be reports that go against the "most peaceful...
I'm not saying I know jack shit on what's going on on the ground, but there seems to be reports that go against the "most peaceful time in 8 years" observation. This is a report from a week before the invasion:



https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-17-22-intl#h_644734e4591ca2e2ed57d2faaebef55d




Hey man, take some time and read this essay that was written by Putin (well he put his name on it anyway) and published on July 12, 2021, right before Russia started moving troops and equipment to the Ukrainian border. After reading this essay, ask yourself if the more likely scenario for the start of this war is that Ukraine was a threat to Russia or that Putin desires to conquer Ukraine and put it back under the flag of Russia.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
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Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important. The Azov Battalion logo: [img]https://maidantranslations.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/sna-03.jpg[/img] Anything look familiar? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol)]The Black...
Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important.

The Azov Battalion logo:



Anything look familiar?

The Black Sun:



And then there's this:



And this:



Yes, understanding symbology is important. Those symbols are ancient Nordic Runes. Yes hate groups have appropriated many of those symbols. The original meaning was not hate and they persist with the original meaning all over the world.

Are you telling us you believe the War with Ukraine is because of Naziism? I would like to hear more about that.
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kongols wrote:
Why do americans are hell bent on trying to prove US government- Biden is to blame?
Sorry, dumb queston- it's election year.
I just stubbed my toe. Stung like a bitch, too.

That was Biden’s fault.
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It turned in to every other thread in here. Predictable and I'm proud it went somewhat sane for 60 pages. Thanks.
Kongols, I'm sorry this thread has turned into what the first thread became. It might be time to take a play from Sloans book and delete this thread and start a new one. If you decide to start a new one I would also take another play from Sloans book and lock the thread and unlock it when you have updates to provide.

All the guys polluting this thread know how to start their own thread if they are that interested.
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jetbull721 10/19/2022 12:31pm
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Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides and see where the incentives lie is the responsible thing to do for de-escalation.

At the end of the day we have a conflict between 2 countries that fall # 113 (Russia) and # 130 (Ukraine) on the global freedom country rankings according to the heritage foundation. We ain't dealing with boy scouts on either side here.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking/



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jetbull721 wrote:
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides...
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides and see where the incentives lie is the responsible thing to do for de-escalation.

At the end of the day we have a conflict between 2 countries that fall # 113 (Russia) and # 130 (Ukraine) on the global freedom country rankings according to the heritage foundation. We ain't dealing with boy scouts on either side here.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking/



Using that list as a marker to say there’s “both sides” as if they are somehow equivalent when you have one country invading a sovereign nation without any provocation is ridiculous on face value. It’s clear what pootin is doing and there’s absolutely no just cause.

I have no idea how this ends, but if the US and NATO Allies give enough support to trend in the direction of good I’m all for it.
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These kongols threat is totaly Propaganda!

Pleace read all this shit since 24.02. 60 Pager of Western Propaganda.

Nothing is real.

In every War!

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kongols wrote:
It turned in to every other thread in here. Predictable and I'm proud it went somewhat sane for 60 pages. Thanks.
dkurtd wrote:
Kongols, I'm sorry this thread has turned into what the first thread became. It might be time to take a play from Sloans book and delete...
Kongols, I'm sorry this thread has turned into what the first thread became. It might be time to take a play from Sloans book and delete this thread and start a new one. If you decide to start a new one I would also take another play from Sloans book and lock the thread and unlock it when you have updates to provide.

All the guys polluting this thread know how to start their own thread if they are that interested.
I'm sure Kongols is quite capable of making his own decisions, as one could only imagine what the irrationality of some of his day must consist of. I hardly believe the existence of this thread is one of them. I do however think that torpedoing this thread would be a disservice to the narration and chronology that has been established.
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jetbull721 wrote:
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides...
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides and see where the incentives lie is the responsible thing to do for de-escalation.

At the end of the day we have a conflict between 2 countries that fall # 113 (Russia) and # 130 (Ukraine) on the global freedom country rankings according to the heritage foundation. We ain't dealing with boy scouts on either side here.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking/



Did you read Putins essay?

Heritage is a propaganda organization of its own.
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jetbull721 10/19/2022 1:42pm
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jetbull721 wrote:
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides...
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides and see where the incentives lie is the responsible thing to do for de-escalation.

At the end of the day we have a conflict between 2 countries that fall # 113 (Russia) and # 130 (Ukraine) on the global freedom country rankings according to the heritage foundation. We ain't dealing with boy scouts on either side here.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking/



early wrote:
Did you read Putins essay?

Heritage is a propaganda organization of its own.
I did open it and read through the first couple of paragraphs then just kind of skimmed through the rest of it. Seems like a lot of interesting history, but way above my pay grade in terms of regional history. I couldn't tell you heads from tails on if it's accurate or total BS.
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jetbull721 wrote:
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides...
Well we have global super powers pushing out a lot of propaganda, military equipment and cash into military escalation, including nuclear. I think researching both sides and see where the incentives lie is the responsible thing to do for de-escalation.

At the end of the day we have a conflict between 2 countries that fall # 113 (Russia) and # 130 (Ukraine) on the global freedom country rankings according to the heritage foundation. We ain't dealing with boy scouts on either side here.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking/



Ukraine defending itself, and other nations helping them defend themselves, is not escalation. Only one side is escalating, only one side is the aggressor.

De escalation happens when Russia goes home.

May there be a deal to allow Russia to keep land to end the violence? Maybe. But that does not make it right, and it in no way justifies the invasion of a sovereign nation, stealing its resources, raping and murdering civilians….. just no. Russia is 100% to blame for the conflict, and any escalation.
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I did open it and read through the first couple of paragraphs then just kind of skimmed through the rest of it. Seems like a lot...
I did open it and read through the first couple of paragraphs then just kind of skimmed through the rest of it. Seems like a lot of interesting history, but way above my pay grade in terms of regional history. I couldn't tell you heads from tails on if it's accurate or total BS.
Thanks for making an effort. It does get into the weeds a bit. The main takeaway is that he is convinced that Ukraine is Russia, despite what the people of Ukraine may say. That would be something by itself, but then add in an invasion THAT STARTED WITH A MARCH ON KIEV, and Russia's revolving door of excuses for the invasion and its pretty easy to see the real reason for this war.
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7I3N wrote:
Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important. The Azov Battalion logo: [img]https://maidantranslations.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/sna-03.jpg[/img] Anything look familiar? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol)]The Black...
Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important.

The Azov Battalion logo:



Anything look familiar?

The Black Sun:



And then there's this:



And this:



I’m by no means an expert by my understanding is the Azov Battalion was dissolved when it was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014 and became the Azov Regiment. During that process the far right members from 2014 were removed and this symbol as also been replaced. Russia however spends a lot of effort trying to make people think the Azov Battalion is the same as the group defending Mariupol.

New logo

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kongols wrote:
It turned in to every other thread in here. Predictable and I'm proud it went somewhat sane for 60 pages. Thanks.
dkurtd wrote:
Kongols, I'm sorry this thread has turned into what the first thread became. It might be time to take a play from Sloans book and delete...
Kongols, I'm sorry this thread has turned into what the first thread became. It might be time to take a play from Sloans book and delete this thread and start a new one. If you decide to start a new one I would also take another play from Sloans book and lock the thread and unlock it when you have updates to provide.

All the guys polluting this thread know how to start their own thread if they are that interested.
If you start a thread on Vital or read one, you should expect some differing opinions. If you want or expect a one sided point of view, Twitter is your friend.
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Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important. The Azov Battalion logo: [img]https://maidantranslations.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/sna-03.jpg[/img] Anything look familiar? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol)]The Black...
Wrong. Not Russian contractors, Ukrainian Nazis. When you're being mindfucked with propaganda, understanding symbology is important.

The Azov Battalion logo:



Anything look familiar?

The Black Sun:



And then there's this:



And this:



RCMXracing wrote:
Yes, understanding symbology is important. Those symbols are ancient Nordic Runes. Yes hate groups have appropriated many of those symbols. The original meaning was not hate...
Yes, understanding symbology is important. Those symbols are ancient Nordic Runes. Yes hate groups have appropriated many of those symbols. The original meaning was not hate and they persist with the original meaning all over the world.

Are you telling us you believe the War with Ukraine is because of Naziism? I would like to hear more about that.
The Nazi element is just one part of a very complex situation that has been oversimplified for public consumption and reduced to "Putin Bad." And anyone that asks questions beyond that is a Putin lover.
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I’m by no means an expert by my understanding is the Azov Battalion was dissolved when it was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014...
I’m by no means an expert by my understanding is the Azov Battalion was dissolved when it was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014 and became the Azov Regiment. During that process the far right members from 2014 were removed and this symbol as also been replaced. Russia however spends a lot of effort trying to make people think the Azov Battalion is the same as the group defending Mariupol.

New logo

Right, because we all know that all you have to do to alter the mindset of a large group of people with a deeply ingrained fanatical ideology is change the patches on their uniforms. Laughing
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I’m by no means an expert by my understanding is the Azov Battalion was dissolved when it was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014...
I’m by no means an expert by my understanding is the Azov Battalion was dissolved when it was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014 and became the Azov Regiment. During that process the far right members from 2014 were removed and this symbol as also been replaced. Russia however spends a lot of effort trying to make people think the Azov Battalion is the same as the group defending Mariupol.

New logo

7I3N wrote:
Right, because we all know that all you have to do to alter the mindset of a large group of people with a deeply ingrained fanatical...
Right, because we all know that all you have to do to alter the mindset of a large group of people with a deeply ingrained fanatical ideology is change the patches on their uniforms. Laughing
What about Russian soldiers with Nazi tattoos? Since you want to talk about Nazism.

There is absolutely no justification for what Putin is doing, and the death & destruction he is causing. History hasn't been kind to Neville Chamberlain - sounds like some would like the current world leaders to repeat his act. And have forgotten what happened after Adolf had his way with Poland.
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