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roninho 10/17/2022 10:43pm
10/17/2022 10:43pm
I would think the plan is (or was?) to have 2 overseas out of the 3 TBAs, because 2 have no EMX/WMX support races. I cant remember an EU GP without support races.

If it us EU then lets hope they add a WMX round, they now only have 5 rounds
Stevie.b2288 10/17/2022 11:26pm
10/17/2022 11:26pm
Sounds like Watson is close to a deal in mxgp. In the 2 pro 1 slow podcast said he was testing and was pretty sure he was Guna sign a deal. Also interesting to hear he had offers from Canada and Australia.
chuckdavies 10/18/2022 1:14am
10/18/2022 1:14am
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Sounds like Watson is close to a deal in mxgp. In the 2 pro 1 slow podcast said he was testing and was pretty sure he...
Sounds like Watson is close to a deal in mxgp. In the 2 pro 1 slow podcast said he was testing and was pretty sure he was Guna sign a deal. Also interesting to hear he had offers from Canada and Australia.
I watched this last night - was really glad to hear he has options and sounds like he will remain in MXGP (as long as he signed the deal for the bike he was testing). That pod was filmed a week ago so hopefully we'll hear soon - I think a non-factory team with lesser expectations and pressure would allow him to ride like we know he can again
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chuckdavies 10/18/2022 1:15am
10/18/2022 1:15am
Also, the call with Antti and Kimi sounded brutal - what goes on behind closed doors...
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roninho 10/18/2022 2:49am
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What was brutal about it?
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Motofinne 10/18/2022 3:03am
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Gonna have to listen to that. His results were also kinda brutal for a second year factory riderLaughing

But good to know that he has offers. The guy obviously has the talent to be a regular top-10 rider.
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Stevie.b2288 10/18/2022 3:41am
10/18/2022 3:41am
From what Ben said was a real tough year. He couldn’t even get a stock bike and had to buy his own in the end. Also Tommy mentioned there was a falling out from the previous French team and Ice one. They had no data or anything and started from scratch and from what Tommy and billy said if was an uphill struggle without all previous data etc. look at them this year testing in Japan already so I can see the bike improving dramatically next year. Hope we get an announcement from Ben soon. I’m guessing red
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chuckdavies wrote:
Also, the call with Antti and Kimi sounded brutal - what goes on behind closed doors...
What was that about? He was hovering around 20th place with one of best factory bikes while his teammate came from injury to podiums.
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themac100 10/18/2022 4:23am
10/18/2022 4:23am
Kevin Brumann will race for JK Yamaha in MXGP
chuckdavies 10/18/2022 5:34am
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chuckdavies wrote:
Also, the call with Antti and Kimi sounded brutal - what goes on behind closed doors...
tek14 wrote:
What was that about? He was hovering around 20th place with one of best factory bikes while his teammate came from injury to podiums.
I wasn't making judgement at all - I meant brutal as in it must have been tough. He got called in for a meeting with Antti which turned out to be a surprise Teams call with Kimi who told him what's what.

Ben explained the lack of settings as he had to use KYB and RF was on Showa. The bike was also completely different to the one Febvre races - different frame/swingarm etc. Ben mentioned wanting to just go back to a stock bike to go from square one but it wasn't allowed.
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Snapper 10/18/2022 9:19am
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chuckdavies wrote:
Also, the call with Antti and Kimi sounded brutal - what goes on behind closed doors...
I think that story was just scratching the surface of things that happened this season.

I didn't catch if Ben's test was for MXGP or enduro. I can see him switching from motocross.
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philG 10/18/2022 11:52am
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chuckdavies wrote:
I wasn't making judgement at all - I meant brutal as in it must have been tough. He got called in for a meeting with Antti...
I wasn't making judgement at all - I meant brutal as in it must have been tough. He got called in for a meeting with Antti which turned out to be a surprise Teams call with Kimi who told him what's what.

Ben explained the lack of settings as he had to use KYB and RF was on Showa. The bike was also completely different to the one Febvre races - different frame/swingarm etc. Ben mentioned wanting to just go back to a stock bike to go from square one but it wasn't allowed.
As i have often said on here, never underestimate how much people are willing to fail , rather than win with something that wasnt their idea.

Ben Watson won his class at the MxoN a little over 12 months ago, and got fucked out of a ride by Roan Van De Moosdijk breaking Vialle's wrist ... that is a tough break.

But Kawasaki is a shit show, When Febvre was at Yamaha , Watson could run his pace on a 450, when he was still racing a 250.

He hasnt forgotten how to ride, but Ice One seem to be more focussed on pretty trucks, than giving the rider what he wants and needs.

Add to that Febvre spannering himself in SX and leaving the team to develop a bike that they never had before , with a guy who had always been the third rider in 250 and 450 teams, it was bound to be difficult, doubly so when people want to protect their own interests over those of the rider.

He is our best rider by a long way, and will be so for a long while.
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Cortami79 10/18/2022 12:25pm
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I think Watson had some decent results in his first year at Wilvo. Not like an eye-opening rookie season, but alot better then 2022. Its quite insane how quick people write off these riders. Hopefully he finds a decent ride for next season. The mental edge is needed for those 2 seconds he needs, and if it started really bad like the beginning of the season it will only go downhill from there.
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roninho 10/18/2022 12:44pm
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I'm not sure if people are writing Watson off. Imo most just react on the posts saying Watson is actually doing a good job and should have a factory ride.
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DeStouwer 10/18/2022 1:51pm
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Lorenzo Ciabatti to SM Action KTM in MX2-class.
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Elliot 10/18/2022 9:24pm
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philG wrote:
As i have often said on here, never underestimate how much people are willing to fail , rather than win with something that wasnt their idea...
As i have often said on here, never underestimate how much people are willing to fail , rather than win with something that wasnt their idea.

Ben Watson won his class at the MxoN a little over 12 months ago, and got fucked out of a ride by Roan Van De Moosdijk breaking Vialle's wrist ... that is a tough break.

But Kawasaki is a shit show, When Febvre was at Yamaha , Watson could run his pace on a 450, when he was still racing a 250.

He hasnt forgotten how to ride, but Ice One seem to be more focussed on pretty trucks, than giving the rider what he wants and needs.

Add to that Febvre spannering himself in SX and leaving the team to develop a bike that they never had before , with a guy who had always been the third rider in 250 and 450 teams, it was bound to be difficult, doubly so when people want to protect their own interests over those of the rider.

He is our best rider by a long way, and will be so for a long while.
I agree. You get the impression that Ice One think they're running an F1 team and lost sight of what an individual rider wants or needs.
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themac100 10/19/2022 12:39am
10/19/2022 12:39am
philG wrote:
As i have often said on here, never underestimate how much people are willing to fail , rather than win with something that wasnt their idea...
As i have often said on here, never underestimate how much people are willing to fail , rather than win with something that wasnt their idea.

Ben Watson won his class at the MxoN a little over 12 months ago, and got fucked out of a ride by Roan Van De Moosdijk breaking Vialle's wrist ... that is a tough break.

But Kawasaki is a shit show, When Febvre was at Yamaha , Watson could run his pace on a 450, when he was still racing a 250.

He hasnt forgotten how to ride, but Ice One seem to be more focussed on pretty trucks, than giving the rider what he wants and needs.

Add to that Febvre spannering himself in SX and leaving the team to develop a bike that they never had before , with a guy who had always been the third rider in 250 and 450 teams, it was bound to be difficult, doubly so when people want to protect their own interests over those of the rider.

He is our best rider by a long way, and will be so for a long while.
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I agree. You get the impression that Ice One think they're running an F1 team and lost sight of what an individual rider wants or needs.
I have also heard a few rumours that it’s not a nice place to work, quite a few employees have left/ want out, not aloud to talk to other mechanics/people at races etc

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DeStouwer 10/19/2022 12:47am
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RG1 wrote:
Yes you’re right, I think that is the loosest of the three. Sardinia and Switzerland sound like they’re happening
Sounds like the second round will be at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Lee van Dam, organiser of the MXGP's of Assen is in negotiation with the mayor of Rio. He'll organise this GP in collaboration with his daughter, who speaks Portugese fluently.
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mx313 10/19/2022 1:00am
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With 114 team going to wsx.
Does this mean there is no honda 250 in gps?
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mx313 wrote:
With 114 team going to wsx.
Does this mean there is no honda 250 in gps?
No. SR Honda and JM Honda will have MX2 riders.
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roninho 10/19/2022 10:53am
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After Riley, JM and Pancar announce their mx2 plans we will have close to 25 announced full (EU) season MX2 riders.

Add in a couple off others that will announce andca bunch of quality wildcards from Hutten,fantic, vettik,talviku etc and it actually looks decent. That is before all the injuries start of course

Stevie.b2288 10/19/2022 11:31am
10/19/2022 11:31am
roninho wrote:
I'm not sure if people are writing Watson off. Imo most just react on the posts saying Watson is actually doing a good job and should...
I'm not sure if people are writing Watson off. Imo most just react on the posts saying Watson is actually doing a good job and should have a factory ride.
Think Watson could have a similar career to bogers. Struggle with the factory rides, have a year rebuilding, start to impress again and will be back on factory when he’s ready
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roninho 10/19/2022 12:49pm
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roninho wrote:
I'm not sure if people are writing Watson off. Imo most just react on the posts saying Watson is actually doing a good job and should...
I'm not sure if people are writing Watson off. Imo most just react on the posts saying Watson is actually doing a good job and should have a factory ride.
Stevie.b2288 wrote:
Think Watson could have a similar career to bogers. Struggle with the factory rides, have a year rebuilding, start to impress again and will be back...
Think Watson could have a similar career to bogers. Struggle with the factory rides, have a year rebuilding, start to impress again and will be back on factory when he’s ready
Yeah agree. Just look at Vlaanderen. Find a team that suits you and where top 5's are not expected or required. Build your confidence and flow and if you really have the talent you'll get the results after a while.
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roninho 10/19/2022 11:31pm
10/19/2022 11:31pm
Martinez & Pancar confirmed for MX2. That makes the confirmed list for MX2 now:

* Red Bull KTM:
01. Everts
02. Adamo

* Monster Energy Yamaha:
03. Geerts
04. Benistant
05. Elzinga

* Nestaan Husqvarna:
06. vd Moosdijk
07. de Wolf

* RedBull GasGas
08. Langenfelder

* F&H Kawasaki:
09. Horgmo
10. Braceras

* Fantic
11. Guyon

* Dixon
12. Haarup

* Hitachi KTM
13. Gifting
14. Karssemakers

* SM Action
15. Toendel
16. Ciabatti

* Motoblouz
17. Weckmann

* KTM
18. Coenen
19. Coenen

* Young Motion powered by Resa
20. Meuwissen

* JP 253
21. Pancar

* Racestore
22. Martinez
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NVA57 10/19/2022 11:34pm
10/19/2022 11:34pm
Wasn’t there a rumour that Farres signed a very good deal?
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roninho 10/19/2022 11:44pm
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Yes, in the USA :-)
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tek14 10/20/2022 12:06am
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What KTM team Coenen brothers are in? They seems to ride stock looking bikes and old gear.
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roninho 10/20/2022 12:10am
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I have no idea. They were supposed to ride for Diga, but that team folded due to the teamowner having to step up in the family business.
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cesar_rc4 10/20/2022 1:14am
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roninho wrote:
I have no idea. They were supposed to ride for Diga, but that team folded due to the teamowner having to step up in the family...
I have no idea. They were supposed to ride for Diga, but that team folded due to the teamowner having to step up in the family business.
Mx1onboard said that Lucas is going to be on Husky Neestan and Sasha in Gas Gas de carli.
Mx1onboard isnt a joke website. It has to be pretty strong rumour at least.
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