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Great ride from all of them in these conditions and it shows how strong both series are as some of the best GP riders weren't here. Congrats to all and I think the best team won this year. Actually if Maxi is coming over to the AMA next year that's 8..but we can't claim him yet. Sexton, Jett and Ferrandis are going to go to war next year
I think (hope) the talent pendulum is swinging back to ama for the next few years (after being in the GP’s for a long time)….
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If you take the top 20 moto scores, the complexion is slightly different:
1/2 = Jett Lawrence
3/1 = Maxime Renaux
2/3 = Chase Sexton
1/6 = Eli Tomac
4/5 = Jeremy Seewer
6/4 = Dylan Ferrandis
9/4 = Justin Cooper
6/7 = Jorge Prado Garcia
5/8 = Ruben Fernandez
2/11 = Jago Geerts
7/9 = Antonio Cairoli
8/10 = Hunter Lawrence
7/14 = Calvin Vlaanderen
3/19 = Mattia Guadagnini
14/9 = Marvin Musquin
13/12 = Jeremy Van Horebeek
8/17 = Harri Kullas
12/14 = Liam Everts
11/16 = Maximilian Nagl
17/11 = Simon Laengenfelder
Interestingly 17 riders from top 30 from 250/450 Pro Motocross and 21 riders from the top 30 from MXGP/MX2 raced this weekend. 57% of the MXGP/MX2 riders finished inside the top 20 on Sunday, whilst 47% of the 250/450 Pro Motocross finished inside the top 20.
What was also clear this year, the very best from the AMA raced. The same can't be said from MXGP, with the likes of Herlings, Gasjer, Febvre and Vialle missing, in addition to riders such as Bogers and Beninstant who i'd have picked over Vlandeeren and Musquin respectively.
I think a lot of people overanalyze the whole US vs EU conversation. As we have seen today, usually the top riders are really close and on any given day and depending on track conditions there is a dozen guys who can win a moto from both series.
We had situations where Tomac and Barcia lined up at us mxgps and completely crushed the EU guys, we had Herlings decimiating the field at Ironman, we had Anderson dominating at mxon in Italy, everytime at mxon we have a dark horse out of nowhere battling for wins. Motocross is just awesome and hard to predict right now. The top guys are way closer than we think and it showed today, the younger generation specially is on it right now with Chase, Jett, Geerts, Renaux and even Vialle who sadly didn't line up.
So doesn’t the “heavily weighted” ama podium prove the point that the ama riders dominated the event? If ama riders weren’t as good as GP riders, the teams with a bunch of ama riders wouldn’t have been on the podium, yeah?
What happens further down the field becomes Less and less relevant the further back you go….
If Gasjer raced there is no chance Slovenia comes near a podium leaving 7 again.
The only Frenchman worth removing from the team would be Marv for Vialle which would end up with 6 AMA guys instead of 7.
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Edit: and won the final moto of the day.
Second best GP FIM guy of the day was Seewer MX-1 class 3rd overall.
As far as qualifying and race day combined went in regards to GP FIM.guys.
I would say that Geerts & Evans both stood out to me.
Both are very great riders.
However,
AMA riders won the event OA.
AMA riders got 2 class over all's.
AMA riders won 2 moto's.
AMA 's riders filled the podium in MX 2 class & MX-3 class over all's.
For some reason I thought Jett got him.
Too many beers leading up to that last moto of the day .
I do think this current super fast generation of GP riders are at/nearing the ends of their careers…and that the upcoming ama talent is going to be a bit better than the upcoming GP talent. So I’m expecting (hoping) to see some great mxdn showings for america and ama riders at the next decade of mxdn’s.
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With respect this is the wrong way of looking at imo, and has been since the mid 00's. Perhaps during the 90s there was a significant difference (though even then European/GP riders could still do well), but since the MXDN really got put back on the map in 2005, I'd argue that there hasn't been a significant difference in speed at all.
When USA won from 05 to 11, all the talk was how much faster the AMA based riders were, Everts is a big fish in a small pond, SX gives the AMA based riders intensity etc etc. Following 2013 (Lommel was largely dismissed in 2012 as being due to the sand) to 2021 we then got the opposite narrative, the opposite extreme...
The truth is neither 'absolute' was appropriate.
On average Team America should win the event more than most countries because they're usually able to field 3 good riders (if not their best then very near) on good equipment. The exception to that is once in a while the stars aligning for a smaller country like France etc. There are also certain conditions that on average tend to favour certain riders more from either series but again it isn't an absolute.
That's basically it. Lady luck plays a part and sometimes certain riders won't turn up. But otherwise I don't believe the talent pendulum is going anywhere, nor has it been going significantly anywhere for decades.
I think prior to 2012ish...due largely to rider migration to America, as well as some of the best riders in Motocross history being American at that time (RC, Stewart, etc.), the AMA series was, largely, faster than the GP's...Everts was indeed a big fish in a small pond (no way he has the same number of titles he has if Tortelli, Albertyn, Reed, Roncoda, DV, etc. etc. don't leave to come and race in America).
Starting in about 2012ish, quite a few REALLY really fast guys came into the pro ranks in stayed in the GP's...this raised the level of talent and depth in the GPs for about the past decade. It was manifest in how well the GP riders did vs AMA rides at the motocross of nations (not talking america vs the world...but looking at AMA riders vs GP riders).
I believe that now that those really really fast riders are nearing the end of their careers...it will first level the playing field...but I think the pendulum will swing back to the AMA riders...and AMA Riders will consistently do better at the mxdn.
I could be wrong though...I'm no expert...I'm just guessing.
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