Open Qualifier - Did we just get a preview of 450 Nationals in 2023?

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Wow....Ferrandis looked really good and was able to run with Sexton. Is this a preview of the nationals in 2023? Will Jett be able to battle with them as well? The 450 nationals looks promising in 2023. Hopefully, Dylan survives Supercross. I kind of wish he would just do the nationals. Then, we could see him at full strength and not wrecked physically from Supercross.
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ktm300xcw 9/24/2022 7:39pm
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Ferrandis looked great and I think jett will be able to hold his own in some races but I think it takes him a year or two on the 450 to consistently get to their level. Next year should be really good.
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inthebadboycorner 9/24/2022 7:50pm
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ktm300xcw wrote:
Ferrandis looked great and I think jett will be able to hold his own in some races but I think it takes him a year or...
Ferrandis looked great and I think jett will be able to hold his own in some races but I think it takes him a year or two on the 450 to consistently get to their level. Next year should be really good.
Yep, just like Dungey.
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crusty_xx 9/24/2022 7:57pm
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Yup. I don't see anyone getting close to these 3 outdoors. Indoors there's a bunch more including Tomac of course

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ktm300xcw wrote:
Ferrandis looked great and I think jett will be able to hold his own in some races but I think it takes him a year or...
Ferrandis looked great and I think jett will be able to hold his own in some races but I think it takes him a year or two on the 450 to consistently get to their level. Next year should be really good.
Jett is already at the level required to be a legit title contender next year and learns quickly. His transition into the 450's will be quick and razor sharp...

Sexton will have to carry the US on his shoulders as the Aussie and the Frenchy are wanting the title.
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I thought that DF won his title because Tomac was over the kawi, going by that qualifying race I’m an idiot.
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Gungadin 9/24/2022 9:18pm
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Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
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I think the 2023 National’s will be an absolute war. Chase is ready, no doubt. Dylan, IMO would have been right with Eli and Chase had he entered the season healthy. Jett showed the speed today. It’s there, no doubting it. How he adapts to having to go balls out the whole moto is what remains to be seen. He could wick it up against the 250’s at will but he won’t have that kind of speed advantage against Chase and Dylan. I think 2023 is a learning year for Jett (with multiple wins) and he comes out like a monster in 2024. No matter what, it’s going to be fun to watch.
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Press516 9/24/2022 10:00pm
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
We lined them up today... It was Sexton until he pulled a last lap Sexton.
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StackOnMe47 9/24/2022 10:54pm
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
Bullshit. Sexton is currently a level or two beyond Jett. Jett has the much higher ceiling but he can’t beat him straight up now, unless Sexton falls.
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
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Bullshit. Sexton is currently a level or two beyond Jett. Jett has the much higher ceiling but he can’t beat him straight up now, unless Sexton...
Bullshit. Sexton is currently a level or two beyond Jett. Jett has the much higher ceiling but he can’t beat him straight up now, unless Sexton falls.
Now this is b.s
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
More reliable? Are we forgetting Jett made mistakes that would of cost him huge if he was in the 450s with the talent level up there. In the 259s he could make a mistake of two and still catch up to at least third by the end. No way he gets away with those next year.
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StackOnMe47 9/24/2022 11:08pm
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I honestly feel like Ferrandis vs Sexton has potential to be even better than Sexton vs Eli was. Call me crazy, but I think Eli has that tiny, tiny little bit over Sexton in terms of raw speed, whereas Ferrandis and Sexton I think will be practically complete equals when in peak form. Its a hard bar to surpass, but I cannot wait.
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Gungadin 9/24/2022 11:11pm
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More reliable? Are we forgetting Jett made mistakes that would of cost him huge if he was in the 450s with the talent level up there...
More reliable? Are we forgetting Jett made mistakes that would of cost him huge if he was in the 450s with the talent level up there. In the 259s he could make a mistake of two and still catch up to at least third by the end. No way he gets away with those next year.
Hang on mate.

Sexton's foot came off the peg at Pala 2 and he had a disgraceful crash as a result, potentially losing the championship. He also managed two of his signature tip overs to make his reliability clear. Meanwhile, Jett was cruising uninjured and untroubled to his third consecutive championship.

Chase tipped over to lose yesterday and was out sped in free practice by Jett in his first official 450 session.

This talent level you speak of in the 450's. Who is it exactly after Eli and Ferrandis?
My reckoning has the 4 fastest 250 riders as more talented- Cooper, Shimoda and the Hunter Bros.
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dv12.com 9/24/2022 11:50pm
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Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11 seconds faster overall though but Sexton crashed and Dylan caught his leg in his rear wheel (that was freaky)

1. 15 Ferrandis, Dylan 2:02.373
2. 103 Sexton, Chase 2:02.632
3. 115 Lawrence, Jett 2:03.669

1. 16 Geerts, Jago 2:02.824
2. 101 Tomac, Eli. 2:02.961
3. 22 Seewer, Jeremy 2:03.326
4. 113 Evans, Mitchell. 2:02.853

It's Jett's first 450 race, he'll get better by May 2023. Next year's Nationals look promising!
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dv12.com wrote:
Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11...
Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11 seconds faster overall though but Sexton crashed and Dylan caught his leg in his rear wheel (that was freaky)

1. 15 Ferrandis, Dylan 2:02.373
2. 103 Sexton, Chase 2:02.632
3. 115 Lawrence, Jett 2:03.669

1. 16 Geerts, Jago 2:02.824
2. 101 Tomac, Eli. 2:02.961
3. 22 Seewer, Jeremy 2:03.326
4. 113 Evans, Mitchell. 2:02.853

It's Jett's first 450 race, he'll get better by May 2023. Next year's Nationals look promising!
Going on that Geerts had a healthy lead the whole moto while Ferrandis and Sexton were going balls out i’d say that Geerts did a really good job at keeping the pace.

I mean, Sextons ”crash” were not a 11 seconds loss.
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Gungadin 9/25/2022 1:05am
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dv12.com wrote:
Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11...
Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11 seconds faster overall though but Sexton crashed and Dylan caught his leg in his rear wheel (that was freaky)

1. 15 Ferrandis, Dylan 2:02.373
2. 103 Sexton, Chase 2:02.632
3. 115 Lawrence, Jett 2:03.669

1. 16 Geerts, Jago 2:02.824
2. 101 Tomac, Eli. 2:02.961
3. 22 Seewer, Jeremy 2:03.326
4. 113 Evans, Mitchell. 2:02.853

It's Jett's first 450 race, he'll get better by May 2023. Next year's Nationals look promising!
Did you watch the race?

Fernandez went full aggro. on Jett even though he was 3 seconds or so a lap slower.

Jett, smart, with his brain engaged, deciding discretion was better than valour eventually passed Fernandez, and then trail rode home rather than risking it all for very little.

He was probably unlucky to not get second after Chases fail.

LOL at your fake news juggling of MX1 times. Evans was quicker than Tomac.

Anyway, the races are tomorrow.
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dv12.com wrote:
Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11...
Dylan and Chase were flying. Their best lap times in the 3rd qualifier (rougher track) were faster than the first qualifier. Jago Geerts/MXGP qualifier was 11 seconds faster overall though but Sexton crashed and Dylan caught his leg in his rear wheel (that was freaky)

1. 15 Ferrandis, Dylan 2:02.373
2. 103 Sexton, Chase 2:02.632
3. 115 Lawrence, Jett 2:03.669

1. 16 Geerts, Jago 2:02.824
2. 101 Tomac, Eli. 2:02.961
3. 22 Seewer, Jeremy 2:03.326
4. 113 Evans, Mitchell. 2:02.853

It's Jett's first 450 race, he'll get better by May 2023. Next year's Nationals look promising!
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Did you watch the race? Fernandez went full aggro. on Jett even though he was 3 seconds or so a lap slower. Jett, smart, with his...
Did you watch the race?

Fernandez went full aggro. on Jett even though he was 3 seconds or so a lap slower.

Jett, smart, with his brain engaged, deciding discretion was better than valour eventually passed Fernandez, and then trail rode home rather than risking it all for very little.

He was probably unlucky to not get second after Chases fail.

LOL at your fake news juggling of MX1 times. Evans was quicker than Tomac.

Anyway, the races are tomorrow.
WTF?

Drugs?
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Rotaholic 9/25/2022 2:36am
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Jett was the fastest man on the planet in practice and people say it doesn't count and then go on to use stats for thier rider in qualifying. Just an interesting observation, but how spoilt are we to have all these guys racing at thier peak.
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CPR 9/25/2022 3:05am
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
What you’re saying, despite being controversial, is actually factual…. at this point…..on one race vs Sexton and past races vs Ferrandis.
BUT there’s a lot to unfold in coming days, weeks, years…….
Bring it on, it’s going to be awesome! Love it when the future emerges amongst the current elite.
Jonny Crash 9/25/2022 3:23am
9/25/2022 3:23am
Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
CPR wrote:
What you’re saying, despite being controversial, is actually factual…. at this point…..on one race vs Sexton and past races vs Ferrandis. BUT there’s a lot to...
What you’re saying, despite being controversial, is actually factual…. at this point…..on one race vs Sexton and past races vs Ferrandis.
BUT there’s a lot to unfold in coming days, weeks, years…….
Bring it on, it’s going to be awesome! Love it when the future emerges amongst the current elite.
How is Jett quicker? He got beat by someone that fell off. Jett topped the practice session, impressive on his 1st go but struggle to pass Fernandez whilst them guys he's apparently quicker than pulled away from him
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CPR 9/25/2022 3:38am
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside We still need to line them up...
Jett is already quicker, and more reliable than Sexton and ran Ferrandis' best 250 pace by late 2020 outside
We still need to line them up though, to be sure.
CPR wrote:
What you’re saying, despite being controversial, is actually factual…. at this point…..on one race vs Sexton and past races vs Ferrandis. BUT there’s a lot to...
What you’re saying, despite being controversial, is actually factual…. at this point…..on one race vs Sexton and past races vs Ferrandis.
BUT there’s a lot to unfold in coming days, weeks, years…….
Bring it on, it’s going to be awesome! Love it when the future emerges amongst the current elite.
Jonny Crash wrote:
How is Jett quicker? He got beat by someone that fell off. Jett topped the practice session, impressive on his 1st go but struggle to pass...
How is Jett quicker? He got beat by someone that fell off. Jett topped the practice session, impressive on his 1st go but struggle to pass Fernandez whilst them guys he's apparently quicker than pulled away from him
It seems to be a rare occurrence here, but I’m just going by what Gunga actually wrote about Jett, rather than what I think it means:

Vs Sexton- quicker? Faster practice time. More reliable? Didn’t crash.
Vs Ferrandis- ran his pace previously as stated.

I’m not agreeing with what the statements imply, just what is written. Then added my opinion that it still remains to be seen.

People are too quick to go on the attack around here without stopping to think about what is actually being said. Which when written, is easy to misinterpret.
Gunga’s words aren’t wrong, it just depends on your perspective and how your personal bias interprets them.
blockhead17 9/25/2022 6:07am
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Man the Jett fanboys are incredible..
even when sexton and Dylan beat him, Jett is still somehow better than them both 🙄
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Joey_Bridges 9/25/2022 6:14am
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Trying to understand why anyone would be surprised by how freaking fast DF1 is.
Or I guess it's, DF14, now.

It's a shame that we missed out on getting to see a helluva three way battle for the title this year.

BTW, I still think of he, the Lawrence bros, Marv, Shimoda, etc....
As American motocross racers.
Regardless of them representing their home nations today.

If Dylan wins, it's still a win for American motocross.
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deanwhite51 12/19/2023 2:10pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
Man the Jett fanboys are incredible..
even when sexton and Dylan beat him, Jett is still somehow better than them both 🙄

Laughing

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