Was Dunge REALLY happy with his performance?

I know he seems really upbeat and has been super laid back in interviews. But in his interview on Pulp before the season, he said he expects to be in the mix for wins. I really don’t think he expected to go without a single podium and be in battles to the death for 7th place..
Early on he said he wants to do ‘23 but now he is out, do you think he was ok with how it went?
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9/5/2022 7:33am
I think he expected more. Like you say, in some pre-season interviews he clearly said he wasn't there to fill the gate and he doesn't race with the aim of being in the top-10.

I'm sure he had a goal of at least multiple podiums and maybe even a moto win or wins.

But he has nothing to be ashamed of, he rode incredibly well considering he has been out of it for over 5 years. Bummer if he doesn't line up next season.
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9/5/2022 7:34am
As a former champion, I'm sure he was not fine with how it went. Part of him knew he was coming back after 5 years, but part of him felt like he could contend for wins since he has kept himself in incredible shape. All of us fans are happy that he is back, even if we did not like him before he retired. To see how he came back after such a long layoff and got top 10s consistently is a feat in itself.
We are all proud of him. He should be be proud of himself, but I am willing to bet he wanted more
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9/5/2022 7:37am
Sounded to me like he gave it 100% and was glad he did. However I also felt I heard a bit of realism with not racing for 6 years and that last 10% effort that the top guys give. That last 10% is the edge of possible crashing and getting hurt. IMO he did exceptionally great, answered some questions and is making the right decision to live his best family life! One of the greats for sure!
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9/5/2022 7:47am
no. i don't think he was happy with it, though it was simply reality. in his head he figured he still could hang w/ the top 3 and he learned real quick that eli/chase were dropping these guys by a damn minute and it took the wind out of his sails. was awesome to see him out there, but he definitely is going home feeling a little deflated though he should keep his chin up. he ran top 5 speed with the best in the world after 6 years out.
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9/5/2022 7:51am
I do wonder what Roger’s actual expectations were too.. remember him being interviewed at like round 1 and saying Dunge and Cairolli “need to be better”
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9/5/2022 8:14am
I don't think he was that happy with the results, but I think he believes he can get good results next year and that he wants to try. I'm guessing it's a decision based on having a wife, kids, and other responsibilities. Combine that with the speed he will have to find just to podium frequently, it is gonna be hard to do at his age and won't last long even if he can avoid injury enough to get there. The bike isnt doing him any favors as well, unless they get it right.
My guess is that it's a decision based on a lot of factors, and the most practical decision in his eyes. I can't help but believe, however, that he really wants to go for it and race next year. I feel for him. That's life.
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9/5/2022 8:17am
I kinda got the vibe that he was hoping for some better finishes.

But man, in my opinion, to come back after five years and be a 5th/6th place guy . . . that's incredible.

That just solidifies his status as a legend. It's one of those things that will likely not be repeated.
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9/5/2022 8:18am
2 weeks ago, Matthes said he was in for SX and MX. I wonder what made him completely change to saying I'm done?
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Motofinne wrote:
I think he expected more. Like you say, in some pre-season interviews he clearly said he wasn't there to fill the gate and he doesn't race...
I think he expected more. Like you say, in some pre-season interviews he clearly said he wasn't there to fill the gate and he doesn't race with the aim of being in the top-10.

I'm sure he had a goal of at least multiple podiums and maybe even a moto win or wins.

But he has nothing to be ashamed of, he rode incredibly well considering he has been out of it for over 5 years. Bummer if he doesn't line up next season.
Yeah I reckon this is on the money... probably also explains what seemed like all signs point to a full season in 2023 to now his itch is scratched...
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2 weeks ago, Matthes said he was in for SX and MX. I wonder what made him completely change to saying I'm done?
Sounded like thinking (or re-thinking) about family first.
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9/5/2022 8:26am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2022 8:28am
2 weeks ago, Matthes said he was in for SX and MX. I wonder what made him completely change to saying I'm done?
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no.

Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of the Nationals? That was after a call from RD.
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9/5/2022 8:45am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2022 8:47am
I think Ryan had to have been completely satisfied with his return. Comparing him to other "active" riders that have been steadily training, at the same level (in supercross just a few months ago) and then seeing the separation outdoors, his performance based on 5 years of not racing, was nothing short of SPECTACULAR!

He had ridden in the time off, yes, but not at any level that approached a full moto, much less two 30 minute, full speed motos, except with a few months of preparation. Who else could do that? Name them. Even RV has been racing a pretty consistent schedule while retired, but he was getting beaten by a 125 rider that is finishing mid pack in 250s.

Malcom Stewart, Roczen, Barcia, and Plessinger along with a few others have been in the racing mentality, physically and mental, for the past year and past 5 years. Dungey got back into it a few months ago.

Could Reed do it and finish top 10 or 5? Could RV do it? ( I dont think RV has anything prove by the way, he could probably will himself to do what Dungey did but I dont think it would be as fast)

I was hoping that Dungey's "itch" for racing had only opened a festering wound and that he would continue on, proving himself because there was a lot of jerks and know it alls that put an asterisk beside his name and championships over the years. He had a chance to prove that he was "a/the contender that most believed he was" and in my opinion, he proved it.

Of course, he would never be able to oppose Anderson, Tomac, or Sexton head on after that many years off, I dont think he was going to kid himself about that. The fact is that at points, he was as fast or faster than both of them at certain tracks, at least for a time, shows that he had the skill and drive, but the DNF and obviously not being battle tested for years, showed his truth. Which there is nothing wrong with that truth. He was a few points out of finishing top five in the entire series this year and the fifth place finisher just won the 250 championship just a few months ago.

Thats pretty damn good in my eyes and hope others can at least, give him the credit he deserves. I hope Dungey himself, can give himself the credit he deserves. We know that at one time, Dungey was as fast, consistently as both Tomac and Sexton and there are countless videos/races to prove that.

I wish it was not true, that Dungey has decided to hang it up, but I am not going to feel sad about it. He has a family and a life to live. He helped bring the sport of motocross back to the popularity it has been missing for a few years (I had not watched an outdoor moto in a few years because it was so one sided.)

Thanks Ryan D. for bringing a spark and a desire for watching this sport that had been missing for a while.
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2 weeks ago, Matthes said he was in for SX and MX. I wonder what made him completely change to saying I'm done?
I bet KTM didn’t offer him enough. He was the top KTM rider (gas gas and husky included) this summer. Roger didn’t really seem to want him behind the gate next year and Dunge probably wanted to be paid top rider money, as he should be.

If he was able to get 6th this summer and run podium pace with a month of prep, I see no reason why he’s not a top 2-5 rider next summer with some proper training and preparation.
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9/5/2022 9:56am
I do wonder what Roger’s actual expectations were too.. remember him being interviewed at like round 1 and saying Dunge and Cairolli “need to be better”
Roger wasn't having it that these two were out there for fun and nostalgia lol.
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9/5/2022 10:05am
As a multi-time former champion...it has to be hard to come to grips that you don't have "it" anymore.

Of course "it" is relative....look at how awesome Dunge was in all these races....after 6 YEARS off of the gate.

He was beating some of the "top" guys. I'd say he has reason to be happy. I'm glad he made it through the season without injury....as I'm sure his wife is as well.


One things for sure.... from a personal perspective... I myself was REALLY happy with his performance.

Just to have him out there again was awesome. Dunge is a class act in every way. The sport is diminished without him lining up.

If it truly was KTM saying no to 2023....then they are IDIOTS.

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9/5/2022 10:10am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2022 10:11am
Whatever way you swing it, however he feels about it, whatever Roger or KTM think, Dunge is a total badass plain and simple and should be proud of himself, even if he didn't get quite where he'd hoped position wise

Awesome achievement and fantastic to watch him just show up after that lengthy lay off and hauling ass top 10 / even top 5 among most of the world's best, seriously, what a legend.

As a racer and a champion I'd bet he's personally happy with some aspects but still not sold on his actual finishes, just the nature of the elite guys.
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9/5/2022 10:13am
2 weeks ago, Matthes said he was in for SX and MX. I wonder what made him completely change to saying I'm done?
kpiper wrote:
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no. Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of...
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no.

Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of the Nationals? That was after a call from RD.
I missed that part. That is fact that Roger said "No" to Dunge for 2023?
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9/5/2022 10:17am
On one hand I'd like to see him again next year just from a depth of field standpoint but on the other I'd rather see him reflect on what he just did, the effort, the danger and decide that he truly scratched his itch. He really has nothing left to prove. He has everything you could ask for in life, family, wealth, status amongst his peers. He is one of the greats and he should close the book on this part of his career for good imho.
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9/5/2022 10:37am
I dont see how Roger, who is credited as one of the greatest of all times, could think it would be more than what he got from Dungey or A.C. seeing that their main riders Webb and Musquin wouldnt have done any better and probably fared much worse. I saw something with Dungey and A.C. That I didnt see from any other rider other than the top 2. Consistency in finishes. Craig was very inconsistent, Roczen ( I think he either was really deflated by being passed or he has unknown health issues) was 1st one day, number 1 95% of the time on Qualifying and then all over the place in actual racing. Barcia was as consistent as a rain storm at Lake Meade and Plessinger also showed erratic finishes all season long. The only other rider/s that had a consistent run was Dungey and A.C. (when he did race).

So while Webb was off racing Chad Reed in local races and probably winning, Dungey and A.C. were picking up that slack and did a great job for the short time of prep they had. Finishing consistently at 5th or 7th the average being 6th, is not an indication that they would finish that way next year if actually provided with the money to make it happen. But in the end, its Dungey's choice and if its true that its all about the family and wanting to make some moves within that, I agree with that decision.

However, you can hear the apprehension in his voice, that he was not unhappy with his finishes, yet unhappy that KTM probably wasnt going to put the money up for him to continue. I think he still has more to prove.
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9/5/2022 10:48am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2022 10:48am
2 weeks ago, Matthes said he was in for SX and MX. I wonder what made him completely change to saying I'm done?
kpiper wrote:
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no. Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of...
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no.

Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of the Nationals? That was after a call from RD.
FWYT wrote:
I missed that part. That is fact that Roger said "No" to Dunge for 2023?
To whiskey throttle he said “maybe not as a rider, probably a test rider or some PR work.”

He didn’t seem too enthusiastic but I guess Roger never really does.
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kpiper wrote:
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no. Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of...
I would bet the change of heart came when KTM said no.

Remember when Kailub Russell had a 'sudden' change of heart and dropped out of the Nationals? That was after a call from RD.
FWYT wrote:
I missed that part. That is fact that Roger said "No" to Dunge for 2023?
CPan wrote:
To whiskey throttle he said “maybe not as a rider, probably a test rider or some PR work.” He didn’t seem too enthusiastic but I guess...
To whiskey throttle he said “maybe not as a rider, probably a test rider or some PR work.”

He didn’t seem too enthusiastic but I guess Roger never really does.
Ah, got it. Thank you.
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My opinion, not that it matters, no.

He wants to be on the top step and knows exactly what it takes and the friction and sacrifice required doesn’t match his life situation. I think he wants to, but that he doesn’t want to make a family mess.

I hope he changes his mind. People die, glory lasts forever.
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9/5/2022 12:03pm
He might pull a Tom Brady. Un retire in a month. I’d like to see him race some supercross.

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