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"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."
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That's the ugliest fucking carpeting i've ever seen, and can only imagine how tacky the rest of trump's Del Boca vista spread is..
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str8line wrote:
"The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the...
"The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation," Justice Department counterintelligence chief Jay Bratt wrote.

"That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search' that the former President's counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter," he added.
"developed evidence"....Yeah they're getting pretty good at that these days. "likely concealed", "likely taken to obstruct".
Counterintelligence, a fitting title for chief Bratt
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str8line wrote:
"The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the...
"The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation," Justice Department counterintelligence chief Jay Bratt wrote.

"That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search' that the former President's counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter," he added.
whyZ wrote:
"developed evidence"....Yeah they're getting pretty good at that these days. "likely concealed", "likely taken to obstruct".
Counterintelligence, a fitting title for chief Bratt
If I put my shoes on in the morning, then that likely means to commit a robbery in the afternoon.

According to the DOJ/FBI thought process.
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 9:10am
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TXDirt wrote:
It was based on a total fraud. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. That dossier was presented...
It was based on a total fraud. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.

The FBI has absolutely been tarnished over these last several years.
'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'

Except that's not how it started at all. That's simply how Trump apologists have spun it in their weaselly attempt to discredit the FBI.

The initial counterintelligence investigation into Trumps possible ties with Russian operatives started on July 31st 2016.

The hacked DNCs emails were released on July 21st and a few days later the Australian government contacted US intelligence to report that a few months earlier, during an informal conversation in a London bar, George Papadopoulos had told the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom that Russia was in possession of emails politically damaging to Hillary Clinton which would be systematically released during the 2016 election campaign.

The FBI didn't receive the Steele dossier until mid-September 2016. It was only ever regarded as a collection of raw intelligence to be corroborated, but Christopher Steele had formerly been head of MI6's Russia desk so it would have been dereliction of duty to simply discount it from the start.

Things ramped up when Trump fired James Comey, which was interpreted as Trump obstructing the investigation.
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Zycki11 8/31/2022 9:18am
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TXDirt wrote:
It was based on a total fraud. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. That dossier was presented...
It was based on a total fraud. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.

The FBI has absolutely been tarnished over these last several years.
Loam Ranger wrote:
[i]'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation. That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'[/i] Except...
'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'

Except that's not how it started at all. That's simply how Trump apologists have spun it in their weaselly attempt to discredit the FBI.

The initial counterintelligence investigation into Trumps possible ties with Russian operatives started on July 31st 2016.

The hacked DNCs emails were released on July 21st and a few days later the Australian government contacted US intelligence to report that a few months earlier, during an informal conversation in a London bar, George Papadopoulos had told the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom that Russia was in possession of emails politically damaging to Hillary Clinton which would be systematically released during the 2016 election campaign.

The FBI didn't receive the Steele dossier until mid-September 2016. It was only ever regarded as a collection of raw intelligence to be corroborated, but Christopher Steele had formerly been head of MI6's Russia desk so it would have been dereliction of duty to simply discount it from the start.

Things ramped up when Trump fired James Comey, which was interpreted as Trump obstructing the investigation.
This is one of those instances where I actually shake my head and laugh.
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 9:19am
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vanillaice782 wrote:
Are you going to take back the "traitor" comment if he is cleared of all of this?
Loam Ranger wrote:
:lol: No. This is only the latest of a number of traitorous acts. Do you [i]honestly[/i] think he'll be cleared of this? You're the guy who...
Grinning No. This is only the latest of a number of traitorous acts.

Do you honestly think he'll be cleared of this? You're the guy who fell for the spin that these documents had already been 'automatically de-classified' right.
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You’re hilarious. You accuse others of being “brain-washed”. Classic! The left is “Narrative Training” people like you to Leninistic Perfection. Good work, Comrade! Adhere to the...
You’re hilarious.
You accuse others of being “brain-washed”.

Classic!

The left is “Narrative Training” people like you to Leninistic Perfection.

Good work, Comrade!
Adhere to the Narrative!
“BE” the Collective!
On November 9th 2016 I posted this image to Facebook. Pretty prophetic I'd say.


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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 9:20am
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TXDirt wrote:
It was based on a total fraud. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. That dossier was presented...
It was based on a total fraud. The Steele dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.

The FBI has absolutely been tarnished over these last several years.
Loam Ranger wrote:
[i]'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation. That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'[/i] Except...
'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'

Except that's not how it started at all. That's simply how Trump apologists have spun it in their weaselly attempt to discredit the FBI.

The initial counterintelligence investigation into Trumps possible ties with Russian operatives started on July 31st 2016.

The hacked DNCs emails were released on July 21st and a few days later the Australian government contacted US intelligence to report that a few months earlier, during an informal conversation in a London bar, George Papadopoulos had told the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom that Russia was in possession of emails politically damaging to Hillary Clinton which would be systematically released during the 2016 election campaign.

The FBI didn't receive the Steele dossier until mid-September 2016. It was only ever regarded as a collection of raw intelligence to be corroborated, but Christopher Steele had formerly been head of MI6's Russia desk so it would have been dereliction of duty to simply discount it from the start.

Things ramped up when Trump fired James Comey, which was interpreted as Trump obstructing the investigation.
Zycki11 wrote:
This is one of those instances where I actually shake my head and laugh.
Feel free to prove me wrong...
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bichwolf 8/31/2022 9:51am
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Loam Ranger wrote:
[i]'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation. That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'[/i] Except...
'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'

Except that's not how it started at all. That's simply how Trump apologists have spun it in their weaselly attempt to discredit the FBI.

The initial counterintelligence investigation into Trumps possible ties with Russian operatives started on July 31st 2016.

The hacked DNCs emails were released on July 21st and a few days later the Australian government contacted US intelligence to report that a few months earlier, during an informal conversation in a London bar, George Papadopoulos had told the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom that Russia was in possession of emails politically damaging to Hillary Clinton which would be systematically released during the 2016 election campaign.

The FBI didn't receive the Steele dossier until mid-September 2016. It was only ever regarded as a collection of raw intelligence to be corroborated, but Christopher Steele had formerly been head of MI6's Russia desk so it would have been dereliction of duty to simply discount it from the start.

Things ramped up when Trump fired James Comey, which was interpreted as Trump obstructing the investigation.
Zycki11 wrote:
This is one of those instances where I actually shake my head and laugh.
Loam Ranger wrote:
Feel free to prove me wrong...
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong?
The FBI did nothing wrong?
Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site.

The reason I know most of you leftists aren't nearly as clever as you think you are is because you think this is a game.
We are all running out of opportunities. But, people like you remind me why I despise fascism.
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George Costanza 8/31/2022 9:55am
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Loam Ranger wrote:
[i]'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation. That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'[/i] Except...
'That dossier was presented to the FBI, and the FBI used it as the basis of their Russian investigation.

That’s pretty common knowledge by now.'

Except that's not how it started at all. That's simply how Trump apologists have spun it in their weaselly attempt to discredit the FBI.

The initial counterintelligence investigation into Trumps possible ties with Russian operatives started on July 31st 2016.

The hacked DNCs emails were released on July 21st and a few days later the Australian government contacted US intelligence to report that a few months earlier, during an informal conversation in a London bar, George Papadopoulos had told the Australian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom that Russia was in possession of emails politically damaging to Hillary Clinton which would be systematically released during the 2016 election campaign.

The FBI didn't receive the Steele dossier until mid-September 2016. It was only ever regarded as a collection of raw intelligence to be corroborated, but Christopher Steele had formerly been head of MI6's Russia desk so it would have been dereliction of duty to simply discount it from the start.

Things ramped up when Trump fired James Comey, which was interpreted as Trump obstructing the investigation.
Zycki11 wrote:
This is one of those instances where I actually shake my head and laugh.
Loam Ranger wrote:
Feel free to prove me wrong...
I want to see where this leads.... what exactly are looking to be proven wrong about?
Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 10:16am
8/31/2022 10:16am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 12:18pm
Zycki11 wrote:
This is one of those instances where I actually shake my head and laugh.
Loam Ranger wrote:
Feel free to prove me wrong...
bichwolf wrote:
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong? The FBI did nothing wrong? Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site. The reason I know most of...
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong?
The FBI did nothing wrong?
Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site.

The reason I know most of you leftists aren't nearly as clever as you think you are is because you think this is a game.
We are all running out of opportunities. But, people like you remind me why I despise fascism.
Where exactly did I say Christopher Steele or the FBI did nothing wrong? I simply corrected the statement that the Steele Dossier was used as the basis of the Russia investigation.

Human beings are fallible. Investigations aren't always flawless and I bet there are many things the FBI wish they did differently or better in hindsight. Im pretty sure they've admitted as much in public hearings. Which is why I think you can be sure the DOJ investigations into January 6th and these Classified documents are being conducted to a tee. In the current political climate they can't afford not to be.

Google denied access to Truth Social because it violates its policies on prohibiting content like physical threats and incitement to violence. Only delinquents should have a problem with that.
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 10:22am
8/31/2022 10:22am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 10:25am
George Costanza wrote:
I want to see where this leads.... what exactly are looking to be proven wrong about?
Im not looking to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read someone else's 'alternative facts' if they can be bothered to type them out.
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George Costanza 8/31/2022 10:32am
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George Costanza wrote:
I want to see where this leads.... what exactly are looking to be proven wrong about?
Loam Ranger wrote:
Im not [i]looking[/i] to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read...
Im not looking to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read someone else's 'alternative facts' if they can be bothered to type them out.
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand?

you are talking something about collusion/fbi/emails/papadopoulos? can you lay it out for me? Isnt this stuff that has been debunked by mueller report/others?
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 10:45am
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George Costanza wrote:
I want to see where this leads.... what exactly are looking to be proven wrong about?
Loam Ranger wrote:
Im not [i]looking[/i] to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read...
Im not looking to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read someone else's 'alternative facts' if they can be bothered to type them out.
George Costanza wrote:
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand? you are talking...
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand?

you are talking something about collusion/fbi/emails/papadopoulos? can you lay it out for me? Isnt this stuff that has been debunked by mueller report/others?
Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane


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str8line 8/31/2022 11:56am
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Zycki11 wrote:
This is one of those instances where I actually shake my head and laugh.
Loam Ranger wrote:
Feel free to prove me wrong...
bichwolf wrote:
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong? The FBI did nothing wrong? Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site. The reason I know most of...
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong?
The FBI did nothing wrong?
Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site.

The reason I know most of you leftists aren't nearly as clever as you think you are is because you think this is a game.
We are all running out of opportunities. But, people like you remind me why I despise fascism.
Google denied access to Kook Social? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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bichwolf 8/31/2022 12:18pm
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Loam Ranger wrote:
Feel free to prove me wrong...
bichwolf wrote:
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong? The FBI did nothing wrong? Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site. The reason I know most of...
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong?
The FBI did nothing wrong?
Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site.

The reason I know most of you leftists aren't nearly as clever as you think you are is because you think this is a game.
We are all running out of opportunities. But, people like you remind me why I despise fascism.
str8line wrote:
Google denied access to Kook Social? Laughing Laughing Laughing
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you?
Typical fascist.
You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right?
Are you the least cool person that you know of in your entire circle of humans?
I can't imagine being such a petty and selfish stain on humanity as these fascist leftists continue to be.
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str8line 8/31/2022 12:26pm
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bichwolf wrote:
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong? The FBI did nothing wrong? Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site. The reason I know most of...
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong?
The FBI did nothing wrong?
Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site.

The reason I know most of you leftists aren't nearly as clever as you think you are is because you think this is a game.
We are all running out of opportunities. But, people like you remind me why I despise fascism.
str8line wrote:
Google denied access to Kook Social? Laughing Laughing Laughing
bichwolf wrote:
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you? Typical fascist. You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right...
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you?
Typical fascist.
You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right?
Are you the least cool person that you know of in your entire circle of humans?
I can't imagine being such a petty and selfish stain on humanity as these fascist leftists continue to be.
It's not silencing the opposing political party. It's protecting our country from the kind of people who attacked our Capitol and continue to be a risk. Can you imagine a more "selfish and petty stain on humanity" than that? Speaking of selfish and petty stain on humanity... Trump.
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 12:34pm
8/31/2022 12:34pm
bichwolf wrote:
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong? The FBI did nothing wrong? Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site. The reason I know most of...
Christopher Steele did nothing wrong?
The FBI did nothing wrong?
Today Google denied access to the Trump Social media site.

The reason I know most of you leftists aren't nearly as clever as you think you are is because you think this is a game.
We are all running out of opportunities. But, people like you remind me why I despise fascism.
str8line wrote:
Google denied access to Kook Social? Laughing Laughing Laughing
bichwolf wrote:
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you? Typical fascist. You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right...
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you?
Typical fascist.
You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right?
Are you the least cool person that you know of in your entire circle of humans?
I can't imagine being such a petty and selfish stain on humanity as these fascist leftists continue to be.
I’m sure Antifa will be glad to have you onboard.
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George Costanza 8/31/2022 12:34pm
8/31/2022 12:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 12:40pm
Loam Ranger wrote:
Im not [i]looking[/i] to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read...
Im not looking to be proven wrong about anything. I'm perfectly content knowing that my version of events is factually accurate but I'm willing to read someone else's 'alternative facts' if they can be bothered to type them out.
George Costanza wrote:
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand? you are talking...
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand?

you are talking something about collusion/fbi/emails/papadopoulos? can you lay it out for me? Isnt this stuff that has been debunked by mueller report/others?
Loam Ranger wrote:
[url=https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o20012.pdf]Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/566405/s1200_Screenshot_2022_08_31_at_18.41.29.jpg[/img]
Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane


so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was not Ill intended? ... or starting a witch hunt against trump so to speak?

do i have that correct?


...and then a follow up.

If it wasnt the dossier, what was the source for the investigation?
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 12:44pm
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George Costanza wrote:
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand? you are talking...
yeah... i just jumped into this dumpster fire of a thread... what are your facts stating exactly so i know where you stand?

you are talking something about collusion/fbi/emails/papadopoulos? can you lay it out for me? Isnt this stuff that has been debunked by mueller report/others?
Loam Ranger wrote:
[url=https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o20012.pdf]Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/566405/s1200_Screenshot_2022_08_31_at_18.41.29.jpg[/img]
Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane


George Costanza wrote:
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was...
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was not Ill intended? ... or starting a witch hunt against trump so to speak?

do i have that correct?


...and then a follow up.

If it wasnt the dossier, what was the source for the investigation?
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and interviewing hundreds of witnesses.
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bichwolf 8/31/2022 1:10pm
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str8line wrote:
Google denied access to Kook Social? Laughing Laughing Laughing
bichwolf wrote:
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you? Typical fascist. You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right...
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you?
Typical fascist.
You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right?
Are you the least cool person that you know of in your entire circle of humans?
I can't imagine being such a petty and selfish stain on humanity as these fascist leftists continue to be.
Loam Ranger wrote:
I’m sure Antifa will be glad to have you onboard.
You are Antifa
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 1:11pm
8/31/2022 1:11pm
bichwolf wrote:
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you? Typical fascist. You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right...
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you?
Typical fascist.
You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right?
Are you the least cool person that you know of in your entire circle of humans?
I can't imagine being such a petty and selfish stain on humanity as these fascist leftists continue to be.
Loam Ranger wrote:
I’m sure Antifa will be glad to have you onboard.
bichwolf wrote:
You are Antifa
What does Antifa mean bichwolf?
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bichwolf 8/31/2022 1:13pm
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str8line wrote:
Google denied access to Kook Social? Laughing Laughing Laughing
bichwolf wrote:
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you? Typical fascist. You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right...
Silencing the opposing political party continues to provide entertainment for you?
Typical fascist.
You were cool with the re-education camps for Trump voters as well, right?
Are you the least cool person that you know of in your entire circle of humans?
I can't imagine being such a petty and selfish stain on humanity as these fascist leftists continue to be.
str8line wrote:
It's not silencing the opposing political party. It's protecting our country from the kind of people who attacked our Capitol and continue to be a risk...
It's not silencing the opposing political party. It's protecting our country from the kind of people who attacked our Capitol and continue to be a risk. Can you imagine a more "selfish and petty stain on humanity" than that? Speaking of selfish and petty stain on humanity... Trump.
Oh my! So silence them.

Silence anyone who questioned the election. Throw them in jail.

Let BLM and Antifa romp for a year or two. Attacking the opposition party.

Yeah, you are Antifa, you are BLM, you are a fascist aren't you? Say it man, just own it.
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 1:18pm
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Again, what does the name Antifa stand for Bichwolf?
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George Costanza 8/31/2022 1:22pm
8/31/2022 1:22pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 1:29pm
Loam Ranger wrote:
[url=https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o20012.pdf]Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/566405/s1200_Screenshot_2022_08_31_at_18.41.29.jpg[/img]
Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane


George Costanza wrote:
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was...
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was not Ill intended? ... or starting a witch hunt against trump so to speak?

do i have that correct?


...and then a follow up.

If it wasnt the dossier, what was the source for the investigation?
Loam Ranger wrote:
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and...
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and interviewing hundreds of witnesses.
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the FISA warrant. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

Try reading through this, which cites this exact same IG report you have cited. I dont know what to tell you other you are wrong, unless you are playing some semantics game... from what i can tell, crossfire hurricane was started on misinformation(papadopoulos had no knowledge of the emails and never mentioned emails), the FISA warrant was obtained because of the steele dossier?

I dont have time to go and quote the specific parts, you will have to read the facts for yourself. plenty for you to browse

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

The IG Report went much further, documenting a multitude of lies and misrepresentations by the FBI to deceive the FISA court into believing that probable cause existed to believe Page was a Kremlin agent. The first FISA warrant to spy on Page was obtained during the 2016 election, after Page had left the Trump campaign but weeks before the election was to be held.

Indeed, it was the Steele Dossier that led FBI leadership, including Director James Comey and Deputy Diretor Andrew McCabe, to approve the warrant application in the first place despite concerns raised by other agents that the information was unreliable. Explains the IG Report:
FBI leadership supported relying on Steele’s reporting to seek a FISA order on Page after being advised of, and giving consideration to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD’s Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the foreign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the ‘risk’ of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was “politically sensitive.”


and then there are these

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…

at the end of the day, the facts are even worse than what you are defending, you seem to be on the wrong side of this argument ... It feels to me you have something you want to believe, based on the lies the media/fbi have spread , but in fact it is not the truth, unless i am missing something... and if i am please let me know, after you have reviewed this.


**Edit to summarize above links:
Trump-Russia Investigation started on very shaky info and assumptions
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

FISA warrant was obtained from steele dossier(citations from AG report included throughout)
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

further reports:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…
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Loam Ranger wrote:
[url=https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o20012.pdf]Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/566405/s1200_Screenshot_2022_08_31_at_18.41.29.jpg[/img]
Inspector Generals Report into Crossfire Hurricane


George Costanza wrote:
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was...
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was not Ill intended? ... or starting a witch hunt against trump so to speak?

do i have that correct?


...and then a follow up.

If it wasnt the dossier, what was the source for the investigation?
Loam Ranger wrote:
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and...
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and interviewing hundreds of witnesses.
When you take information provided by the FBI stating "informal conversation" in a london bar and base your entire premise behind he said she said you lose all credibility
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 1:39pm
8/31/2022 1:39pm
George Costanza wrote:
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was...
so you are stating that because, in the facts you have gathered, the steele dossier wasnt the basis of the Russian investigation that the FBI was not Ill intended? ... or starting a witch hunt against trump so to speak?

do i have that correct?


...and then a follow up.

If it wasnt the dossier, what was the source for the investigation?
Loam Ranger wrote:
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and...
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and interviewing hundreds of witnesses.
George Costanza wrote:
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the...
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the FISA warrant. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

Try reading through this, which cites this exact same IG report you have cited. I dont know what to tell you other you are wrong, unless you are playing some semantics game... from what i can tell, crossfire hurricane was started on misinformation(papadopoulos had no knowledge of the emails and never mentioned emails), the FISA warrant was obtained because of the steele dossier?

I dont have time to go and quote the specific parts, you will have to read the facts for yourself. plenty for you to browse

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

The IG Report went much further, documenting a multitude of lies and misrepresentations by the FBI to deceive the FISA court into believing that probable cause existed to believe Page was a Kremlin agent. The first FISA warrant to spy on Page was obtained during the 2016 election, after Page had left the Trump campaign but weeks before the election was to be held.

Indeed, it was the Steele Dossier that led FBI leadership, including Director James Comey and Deputy Diretor Andrew McCabe, to approve the warrant application in the first place despite concerns raised by other agents that the information was unreliable. Explains the IG Report:
FBI leadership supported relying on Steele’s reporting to seek a FISA order on Page after being advised of, and giving consideration to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD’s Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the foreign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the ‘risk’ of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was “politically sensitive.”


and then there are these

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…

at the end of the day, the facts are even worse than what you are defending, you seem to be on the wrong side of this argument ... It feels to me you have something you want to believe, based on the lies the media/fbi have spread , but in fact it is not the truth, unless i am missing something... and if i am please let me know, after you have reviewed this.


**Edit to summarize above links:
Trump-Russia Investigation started on very shaky info and assumptions
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

FISA warrant was obtained from steele dossier(citations from AG report included throughout)
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

further reports:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…
You could have saved yourself the time it took you to post all these little unrelated links and read the thread properly to begin with. You only needed to read one or two comments.
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vet323 8/31/2022 1:51pm
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George Costanza wrote:
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the...
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the FISA warrant. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

Try reading through this, which cites this exact same IG report you have cited. I dont know what to tell you other you are wrong, unless you are playing some semantics game... from what i can tell, crossfire hurricane was started on misinformation(papadopoulos had no knowledge of the emails and never mentioned emails), the FISA warrant was obtained because of the steele dossier?

I dont have time to go and quote the specific parts, you will have to read the facts for yourself. plenty for you to browse

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

The IG Report went much further, documenting a multitude of lies and misrepresentations by the FBI to deceive the FISA court into believing that probable cause existed to believe Page was a Kremlin agent. The first FISA warrant to spy on Page was obtained during the 2016 election, after Page had left the Trump campaign but weeks before the election was to be held.

Indeed, it was the Steele Dossier that led FBI leadership, including Director James Comey and Deputy Diretor Andrew McCabe, to approve the warrant application in the first place despite concerns raised by other agents that the information was unreliable. Explains the IG Report:
FBI leadership supported relying on Steele’s reporting to seek a FISA order on Page after being advised of, and giving consideration to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD’s Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the foreign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the ‘risk’ of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was “politically sensitive.”


and then there are these

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…

at the end of the day, the facts are even worse than what you are defending, you seem to be on the wrong side of this argument ... It feels to me you have something you want to believe, based on the lies the media/fbi have spread , but in fact it is not the truth, unless i am missing something... and if i am please let me know, after you have reviewed this.


**Edit to summarize above links:
Trump-Russia Investigation started on very shaky info and assumptions
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

FISA warrant was obtained from steele dossier(citations from AG report included throughout)
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

further reports:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…
I'm way too busy to have done all of this, so thanks for linking these sources (I have read through most of them in the past). The fact that a Democrat administration colluded with the Democrat nominee and used federal resources to spy on the Republican nominee in the months leading up to the election is so much worse than Watergate that I can't believe any intelligent person would support it.

The one thing Nixon did worse was to concoct an elaborate coverup. But that wasn't needed in this case, because the media provided the coverup for free.
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Loam Ranger 8/31/2022 1:58pm
8/31/2022 1:58pm
George Costanza wrote:
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the...
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the FISA warrant. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

Try reading through this, which cites this exact same IG report you have cited. I dont know what to tell you other you are wrong, unless you are playing some semantics game... from what i can tell, crossfire hurricane was started on misinformation(papadopoulos had no knowledge of the emails and never mentioned emails), the FISA warrant was obtained because of the steele dossier?

I dont have time to go and quote the specific parts, you will have to read the facts for yourself. plenty for you to browse

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

The IG Report went much further, documenting a multitude of lies and misrepresentations by the FBI to deceive the FISA court into believing that probable cause existed to believe Page was a Kremlin agent. The first FISA warrant to spy on Page was obtained during the 2016 election, after Page had left the Trump campaign but weeks before the election was to be held.

Indeed, it was the Steele Dossier that led FBI leadership, including Director James Comey and Deputy Diretor Andrew McCabe, to approve the warrant application in the first place despite concerns raised by other agents that the information was unreliable. Explains the IG Report:
FBI leadership supported relying on Steele’s reporting to seek a FISA order on Page after being advised of, and giving consideration to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD’s Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the foreign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the ‘risk’ of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was “politically sensitive.”


and then there are these

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…

at the end of the day, the facts are even worse than what you are defending, you seem to be on the wrong side of this argument ... It feels to me you have something you want to believe, based on the lies the media/fbi have spread , but in fact it is not the truth, unless i am missing something... and if i am please let me know, after you have reviewed this.


**Edit to summarize above links:
Trump-Russia Investigation started on very shaky info and assumptions
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

FISA warrant was obtained from steele dossier(citations from AG report included throughout)
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

further reports:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…
vet323 wrote:
I'm way too busy to have done all of this, so thanks for linking these sources (I have read through most of them in the past)...
I'm way too busy to have done all of this, so thanks for linking these sources (I have read through most of them in the past). The fact that a Democrat administration colluded with the Democrat nominee and used federal resources to spy on the Republican nominee in the months leading up to the election is so much worse than Watergate that I can't believe any intelligent person would support it.

The one thing Nixon did worse was to concoct an elaborate coverup. But that wasn't needed in this case, because the media provided the coverup for free.
They didn’t spy on the Republican nominee, they spied on ONE peripheral member of his campaign team who left even before the election.
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George Costanza 8/31/2022 2:07pm
8/31/2022 2:07pm
Loam Ranger wrote:
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and...
Not the facts I have gathered, the findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation having reviewed over 1m documents and interviewing hundreds of witnesses.
George Costanza wrote:
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the...
Im still a little confused... i dont know what was the basis of crossfire hurricane, but the steele dossier was a central part of getting the FISA warrant. I am not sure what you are trying to prove.

Try reading through this, which cites this exact same IG report you have cited. I dont know what to tell you other you are wrong, unless you are playing some semantics game... from what i can tell, crossfire hurricane was started on misinformation(papadopoulos had no knowledge of the emails and never mentioned emails), the FISA warrant was obtained because of the steele dossier?

I dont have time to go and quote the specific parts, you will have to read the facts for yourself. plenty for you to browse

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

The IG Report went much further, documenting a multitude of lies and misrepresentations by the FBI to deceive the FISA court into believing that probable cause existed to believe Page was a Kremlin agent. The first FISA warrant to spy on Page was obtained during the 2016 election, after Page had left the Trump campaign but weeks before the election was to be held.

Indeed, it was the Steele Dossier that led FBI leadership, including Director James Comey and Deputy Diretor Andrew McCabe, to approve the warrant application in the first place despite concerns raised by other agents that the information was unreliable. Explains the IG Report:
FBI leadership supported relying on Steele’s reporting to seek a FISA order on Page after being advised of, and giving consideration to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD’s Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the foreign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the ‘risk’ of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was “politically sensitive.”


and then there are these

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…

at the end of the day, the facts are even worse than what you are defending, you seem to be on the wrong side of this argument ... It feels to me you have something you want to believe, based on the lies the media/fbi have spread , but in fact it is not the truth, unless i am missing something... and if i am please let me know, after you have reviewed this.


**Edit to summarize above links:
Trump-Russia Investigation started on very shaky info and assumptions
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-g…

FISA warrant was obtained from steele dossier(citations from AG report included throughout)
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-20…

further reports:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/09/glenn_greenwald_medi…

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1456616290605535236

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-rejec…
Loam Ranger wrote:
You could have saved yourself the time it took you to post all these little unrelated links and read the thread properly to begin with. You...
You could have saved yourself the time it took you to post all these little unrelated links and read the thread properly to begin with. You only needed to read one or two comments.
I'm not so sure, you seem to think you know more than you think you do.

thats why i wanted to you state what your case is... someone said the dossier was the main part of the the trump investigation - and it was. it wasnt the very beginning, crossfire hurricane was, which is what it looks like you changed the subject to. then you cite papadopoulos etc as being the source of crossfire hurricane which has also been debunked as not credible information.

what are you trying to say, exactly.

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