How did PulpMx handle the 2022 bike claim incident?

Edited Date/Time 8/20/2022 9:40pm
There's been multiple threads dominating the Moto forum this week discussing how PulpMx handled their journalism while covering the 2022 Loretta Lynn's bike claim incident. It can be tough to weed through all the forum noise considering most of it comes from a very small percentage the Vital community. There's a large portion of Vital members out there who do not participate in these heated discussions for many reasons. Unlike individual posts or upvotes, polls allow everyone to participate anonymously and will paint a more accurate picture of how the majority feels. Is this hot topic close to a 50/50 split or is there a majority on one side of the fence?

Based on the two poll options below, which option most closely resembles your perception of the coverage on the 8/15/22 PulpMx show #515? This applies to the host of the show only, not the other guys in the room.

Option 1: Unbiased, very thorough with his questioning, didn’t gloss over anything important, didn’t avoid any difficult questions, didn’t seem to side with either party, fair to both sides, didn’t seem to have an agenda, transparent, credible, objective, investigative, tried to answer all questions, genuine, good journalism

Option 2: Bought, biased, held no feet to the fire, brushed over important details, avoided key and difficult questions for Donnie Luce, tried doing damage control for Blu Cru, spoke with the tone of Brennan=liar and Yamaha=innocent, unfair to one side, had a clear agenda, non-transparent, non-investigative, subjective, left many questions unanswered, phony, horrible journalism
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How did PulpMx handle the 2022 bike claim incident?

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ondarvr
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8/18/2022 4:34pm
Neither 1 or 2, but not terrible.
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olderandYZer
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8/18/2022 4:39pm
ondarvr wrote:
Neither 1 or 2, but not terrible.
I agree. Somewhere in the middle but more biased, but not as biased as the poll is. I felt he kinda threw the kid in the fire.

I have lost respect for Steve-O tho. Was a faithful listener since the 1st KW show. Not anymore.
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Magoofan
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8/18/2022 4:46pm
Shit...I voted wrong.....should have been option 2. So those results are skewed now. Yes, I'm an idiot

LOL.

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8/18/2022 6:40pm
Magoofan wrote:
Shit...I voted wrong.....should have been option 2. So those results are skewed now. Yes, I'm an idiot

LOL.

Same for me.
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8/18/2022 6:44pm
ondarvr wrote:
Neither 1 or 2, but not terrible.
Gotta love a poll concerning bias only offering biased options.
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8/18/2022 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2022 7:31pm
Ironically this poll is like a Future Headlines segment….. one bad option OOOORRRR the other bad option
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8/18/2022 7:43pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2022 7:47pm
It's funny how the way Steve handled all this is being downplayed compared to ML (who did great putting all that together). Originally, everyone had the pitchforks out and wanted "investigations" etc. Neither have come to any definite conclusion and that's not their responsibility. Others have just blasted their opinions on YouTube or IG without actually talking to anyone and they are being praised. Some of you really need to take a step back and look at this objectively.

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8/18/2022 9:58pm
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in a way that we agree with?

Listen to all information, use your critical thinking and come up with your own conclusions!!!

Or, continue to let yourself get manipulated.

Because I listen to your podcast doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. Because you look like an honest kid doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. And so on and so on.
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8/19/2022 12:42am
McG194 wrote:
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in...
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in a way that we agree with?

Listen to all information, use your critical thinking and come up with your own conclusions!!!

Or, continue to let yourself get manipulated.

Because I listen to your podcast doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. Because you look like an honest kid doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. And so on and so on.
This is the best thing written in this aboard about the topic

We have multiple interviews with all the players , make up your own mind
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8/19/2022 1:08am
Well JT was spot on so
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8/19/2022 1:57am Edited Date/Time 8/19/2022 1:58am
Who cares Deegan could've been on his Dad's Team Stiffie 125 and layed waste to his competition. Shit's old. Eli and Chase are 1 point apart for the most prestigious title on earth with 3 races left? Yet people are still obsessed with a 250 B class backmarker and his engine guy trying to claim a bike 2 weeks ago from an amatuer race? Seriously?
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8/19/2022 4:02am
Who cares Deegan could've been on his Dad's Team Stiffie 125 and layed waste to his competition. Shit's old. Eli and Chase are 1 point apart...
Who cares Deegan could've been on his Dad's Team Stiffie 125 and layed waste to his competition. Shit's old. Eli and Chase are 1 point apart for the most prestigious title on earth with 3 races left? Yet people are still obsessed with a 250 B class backmarker and his engine guy trying to claim a bike 2 weeks ago from an amatuer race? Seriously?
Hey man, I saw a team stiffie bike land on the podium once, and I saw an almost holeshot once too.
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8/19/2022 8:36am
Magoofan wrote:
Shit...I voted wrong.....should have been option 2. So those results are skewed now. Yes, I'm an idiot

LOL.

jevyguy wrote:
Same for me.
There's a handful of other people that contacted me who did this as well. For those who asked me why I didn't paste the text where it says Option 1 & 2 it's because the website wouldn't allow me to put that many characters in those fields (it gave me an error). So I had to format it the way it is.
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8/19/2022 8:51am
McG194 wrote:
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in...
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in a way that we agree with?

Listen to all information, use your critical thinking and come up with your own conclusions!!!

Or, continue to let yourself get manipulated.

Because I listen to your podcast doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. Because you look like an honest kid doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. And so on and so on.
scott_nz wrote:
This is the best thing written in this aboard about the topic

We have multiple interviews with all the players , make up your own mind
Finally some sense and intelligence from all this bullshit claim gate. So much heresay and conjecture!
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It's funny how the way Steve handled all this is being downplayed compared to ML (who did great putting all that together). Originally, everyone had the...
It's funny how the way Steve handled all this is being downplayed compared to ML (who did great putting all that together). Originally, everyone had the pitchforks out and wanted "investigations" etc. Neither have come to any definite conclusion and that's not their responsibility. Others have just blasted their opinions on YouTube or IG without actually talking to anyone and they are being praised. Some of you really need to take a step back and look at this objectively.

This man is smart, very much agree
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I agree. Somewhere in the middle but more biased, but not as biased as the poll is. I felt he kinda threw the kid in the...
I agree. Somewhere in the middle but more biased, but not as biased as the poll is. I felt he kinda threw the kid in the fire.

I have lost respect for Steve-O tho. Was a faithful listener since the 1st KW show. Not anymore.
I've lost respect for olderandYZer and won't read his posts anymore...

Life is short you guys lighten the f@&k up
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8/19/2022 8:54am Edited Date/Time 8/19/2022 8:54am
Problem with 99% of people, they want to tell you thier opinion instead of just reporting what happened and allow others to form their own opinion. Media tries to influnce your thoughts for their agend, MX is no different than politics.
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8/19/2022 9:07am
McG194 wrote:
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in...
How pathetic of a bunch of sheep have we become as a society that we have to decide if our news was presented to us in a way that we agree with?

Listen to all information, use your critical thinking and come up with your own conclusions!!!

Or, continue to let yourself get manipulated.

Because I listen to your podcast doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. Because you look like an honest kid doesn't mean I have to believe every word you say. And so on and so on.
Whos to say people haven't been using critical thinking here?

I listened to all the interviews and based my opinions on the answers given by the players themselves.

PulpMX show was pretty clearly biased.
MLs interviews showed no bias whatsoever, no opinion....just the hard questions.

I didn't fall of the turnip truck yesterday. Life experience and character assessment comes into play when making assessments.

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8/19/2022 9:32am
Ironically this poll is like a Future Headlines segment….. one bad option OOOORRRR the other bad option
😄 Exactly what I was thinking
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8/19/2022 10:31am
Wait... someone's bike got claimed?
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I think at this point 75% of Vital can agree it was handled completely incorrectly from start to finish primarily with allowing parties with a vested interest to have a say in the process which should have been handled in a vacuum.

What most of the community is pissed about is the lack of responsibility in those mistakes amongst those parties after the fact.

AMA is changing the process and that is them addressing the problem on their end, expect nothing more (Brennan stated AMA he was fine with).

MXsports not making a statement or addressing the additional parties that got involved after the fact is certainly disappointing and I think that not being done fueled the fire. It would have been a golden opportunity for Davey to gain back credibility from the TV fiasco however in not doing so it just further drove home the frustrations many had existing from that ordeal.

From here it is simply digging up a corpse and they have all moved on. It is unfortunately a waste of energy at this point and not going to accomplish anything.
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8/19/2022 10:49am
We needed another thread about this.
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mx196 wrote:
I think at this point 75% of Vital can agree it was handled completely incorrectly from start to finish primarily with allowing parties with a vested...
I think at this point 75% of Vital can agree it was handled completely incorrectly from start to finish primarily with allowing parties with a vested interest to have a say in the process which should have been handled in a vacuum.

What most of the community is pissed about is the lack of responsibility in those mistakes amongst those parties after the fact.

AMA is changing the process and that is them addressing the problem on their end, expect nothing more (Brennan stated AMA he was fine with).

MXsports not making a statement or addressing the additional parties that got involved after the fact is certainly disappointing and I think that not being done fueled the fire. It would have been a golden opportunity for Davey to gain back credibility from the TV fiasco however in not doing so it just further drove home the frustrations many had existing from that ordeal.

From here it is simply digging up a corpse and they have all moved on. It is unfortunately a waste of energy at this point and not going to accomplish anything.
Chef's kiss. Although I think it's closer to 98% of Vital/people.

Zero accountability on this from the parties involved. MXSports (DC) statement is that Brennan gave misleading statements.

The AMA has stated multiple times that they handled it perfectly. So perfect that they had to change the rules for the future.

Walker, Dealer and Luce claim they were just helping out a fellow rider.

Deegan goes and starts a defamation campaign after asking "are you trying to defame us on youtube??"

Star Yamaha statement is "all these guys have 50k bikes and the kid wanted to turn a profit".

Everybody should be ashamed with their actions and responses to this debacle.
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8/19/2022 8:43pm
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact his total tool bag of an engine builder was in on it full tilt just discredits all his reasonable intentions. It’s bullshit and the claim was not in the spirit in which it was intended for. Down vote the fuck out of that but it’s pretty obvious. He wasn’t some random kid in deegans class. He had beef. It wasn’t a claim to stop high end bikes from being in the class like everyone supports. It was an attack on deegan.
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Phil109 wrote:
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact...
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact his total tool bag of an engine builder was in on it full tilt just discredits all his reasonable intentions. It’s bullshit and the claim was not in the spirit in which it was intended for. Down vote the fuck out of that but it’s pretty obvious. He wasn’t some random kid in deegans class. He had beef. It wasn’t a claim to stop high end bikes from being in the class like everyone supports. It was an attack on deegan.
I just checked the rulebook, and it doesn't say anywhere that the claimant has to be a nice honorable good boy that doesn't back talk his mother and does his chores without having to be asked. I don't care if the kid had a butt patch with disparaging remarks about Hallie Deegan, he claimed the bike he deserved it. Rules apply to assholes too.


As far as your comment that it was not in the spirit of the rule, you couldn't be further from the truth. It's so much in the spirit of the rule that they are amending the rule to make sure the next kid gets the bike.


Note: This is coming from someone who is in no way shape or form a Deegan hater. If he's a multi time champ the sport will end up being better off. He's bringing lots of fans.
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8/19/2022 11:38pm
Phil109 wrote:
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact...
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact his total tool bag of an engine builder was in on it full tilt just discredits all his reasonable intentions. It’s bullshit and the claim was not in the spirit in which it was intended for. Down vote the fuck out of that but it’s pretty obvious. He wasn’t some random kid in deegans class. He had beef. It wasn’t a claim to stop high end bikes from being in the class like everyone supports. It was an attack on deegan.
Fact check before posting dude. Brennan said the social media posts were not his, that they were faked. I'm sure any good internet sleuth can verify. Brennan even stated he has respect for the Deegans.

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Mathis is a fat, talentless idiot.
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8/20/2022 5:22am
Phil109 wrote:
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact...
The other side is the fact that the kid posted jealous hateful shit on his social media regarding deegan leading up to this and the fact his total tool bag of an engine builder was in on it full tilt just discredits all his reasonable intentions. It’s bullshit and the claim was not in the spirit in which it was intended for. Down vote the fuck out of that but it’s pretty obvious. He wasn’t some random kid in deegans class. He had beef. It wasn’t a claim to stop high end bikes from being in the class like everyone supports. It was an attack on deegan.
Magoofan wrote:
Fact check before posting dude. Brennan said the social media posts were not his, that they were faked. I'm sure any good internet sleuth can verify...
Fact check before posting dude. Brennan said the social media posts were not his, that they were faked. I'm sure any good internet sleuth can verify. Brennan even stated he has respect for the Deegans.

Well if that is the case and someone can prove that hollllyyyy crap.
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Why is there not a who gives a shit option?
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