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holyroller1 wrote:

Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping. FYI, it's...

So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping.

FYI, it's not my opinion. It has been discredited by the person that "supposedly" posted it. If someone can bring forth a more reliable witness to say it's not fake then I will change my opinion.

You are presuming guilt with no evidence.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...

Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.

holyroller1 wrote:

Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

SX_336 wrote:

I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating...

I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating. The dad can’t say “ok, it’s a deal” and then go drop the claim. He didn’t file it.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Ahh, no. Dad is king until junior is emancipated.

holyroller1 wrote:

Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping. FYI, it's...

So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping.

FYI, it's not my opinion. It has been discredited by the person that "supposedly" posted it. If someone can bring forth a more reliable witness to say it's not fake then I will change my opinion.

You are presuming guilt with no evidence.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Presuming guilt with no evidence hey ? Isn’t that what you and the cooksey mob with pitch forks been doing all week and now that Cooksey/...

Presuming guilt with no evidence hey ? Isn’t that what you and the cooksey mob with pitch forks been doing all week and now that Cooksey/ Brennan ship is sinking your mob is trying come up with theories that Dealer Chris is not allowed to make his own decisions and must lied when he said wasn’t pressured by anyone from yamaha

holyroller1 wrote:

Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

dkurtd wrote:

Not according to the AMA and their rulebook and also the state of Tennessee that says a minor can buy a motorcycle and register it, so...

Not according to the AMA and their rulebook and also the state of Tennessee that says a minor can buy a motorcycle and register it, so no state laws were broken.

This has already been discussed.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

DonM wrote:

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional...

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional rollercoaster you're on....he has a different opinion than you and that's ok.

dkurtd wrote:

Not according to the AMA and their rulebook and also the state of Tennessee that says a minor can buy a motorcycle and register it, so...

Not according to the AMA and their rulebook and also the state of Tennessee that says a minor can buy a motorcycle and register it, so no state laws were broken.

This has already been discussed.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

You've lost sight of the forest for the trees. How does this play out when the kid tells dad to piss off?

dkurtd wrote:

Why didn't dad just go to the MXSports trailer and withdraw the claim?

USA wrote:

You came up with the implication by your own assumption. The original guy said something like "the octopus has its tentacles in everything", and you asked...

You came up with the implication by your own assumption.

The original guy said something like "the octopus has its tentacles in everything", and you asked how that could be true. Burkeen himself stated why this is the case.

MXSports/AMA was involved, and "dictated the outcome" when they gave the money back to Brennan. Remember, this was about 10 minutes after an unknown person knocked on the office door and exclaimed "I don't want this to happen", then Brennan came back and rescinded while being visibly upset. Apparently so upset and unsure that they had to ask him twice if he was pressured to make the claim.

Again, they can't be involved when they want and not involved when it's convenient for them. They had reasonable evidence to show there was pressure on rescinding the claim, and no precedence to reverse a claim. With how many times the kid was asked why he was claiming the bike, they knew he had his heart set on it. I believe if it were you or me in those shoes, we would have launched an investigation right there and stopped what was going on until we got to the bottom of it.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

BTW, sport, I didn't come up with the implication, I was in the thick of it between two friends off the web boards as it went...

BTW, sport, I didn't come up with the implication, I was in the thick of it between two friends off the web boards as it went down.

Matthes wrote:

You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...

Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.

DonM wrote:

It's the Kooksey mob...

resetjet wrote:

Simple for me to understand. When a teenager plans for months to claim a bike and that had to be done within 30 mins, the dad...

Simple for me to understand. When a teenager plans for months to claim a bike and that had to be done within 30 mins, the dad doesnt go to get water. He goes with his son, not the engine builder. When the dad decides to tell his son to wothdraw the claim, the engine builder doesnt get all bent out of shape. Simply put, its obvious who was behind the claim.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...

Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.

DonM wrote:

It's the Kooksey mob...

FlaNard wrote:

Would that be the same mob that is just absolutely massacring your boys on Racer X Instagram comments and in the comments section to the monument...

Would that be the same mob that is just absolutely massacring your boys on Racer X Instagram comments and in the comments section to the monument of journalistic soul selling written and started as fact by Weege? Look outside of Vital. The opinions of people outside of this site are much, much more harsh regarding everyone of the people a handful of you are bending over backwards attempting to defend (poorly.) Not that you care, but blaming it on a Vital mob shows how hard you’re trying to miss the obvious. Most of these people likely know Deegan and aren’t members of Vital. They read what the industry wants them to read and still see the reality a handful of you refuse to accept.

USA wrote:

Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'? Do you believe this is an honest way...

Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'?

Do you believe this is an honest way to go about this from Donny's side? To appease Star and Deegan by floating an 'offer' to someone that was going to make their life slightly difficult due to a rule in the rulebook?

Matthes wrote:

What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they...

What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they went on their way.

I still would've held out for the bike tho!

USA wrote:

Ok, I was referring to this conversation happening today. I take "octopus" to mean MXSports from context clues. You have a different meaning and history with...

Ok, I was referring to this conversation happening today. I take "octopus" to mean MXSports from context clues. You have a different meaning and history with the term, so I think I get where you're coming from.

FlaNard wrote:

Would that be the same mob that is just absolutely massacring your boys on Racer X Instagram comments and in the comments section to the monument...

Would that be the same mob that is just absolutely massacring your boys on Racer X Instagram comments and in the comments section to the monument of journalistic soul selling written and started as fact by Weege? Look outside of Vital. The opinions of people outside of this site are much, much more harsh regarding everyone of the people a handful of you are bending over backwards attempting to defend (poorly.) Not that you care, but blaming it on a Vital mob shows how hard you’re trying to miss the obvious. Most of these people likely know Deegan and aren’t members of Vital. They read what the industry wants them to read and still see the reality a handful of you refuse to accept.

USA wrote:

Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'? Do you believe this is an honest way...

Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'?

Do you believe this is an honest way to go about this from Donny's side? To appease Star and Deegan by floating an 'offer' to someone that was going to make their life slightly difficult due to a rule in the rulebook?

Matthes wrote:

What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they...

What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they went on their way.

I still would've held out for the bike tho!

mixmotomike wrote:

What's dishonest is the effort by others to circumvent the claim and the attempt to cover it. Why? Because Star clearly showed up to a knife...

What's dishonest is the effort by others to circumvent the claim and the attempt to cover it.

Why? Because Star clearly showed up to a knife fight with an assault rifle, and that is against the spirit of trying to have a semi-level playing field to show the better rider. I could care less about the kid's motive or those that sided with him. The rule is there as a means to keep it close just like production based in pro AMA.

USA wrote:

Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal? It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now...

Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal?

It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now it gets down to the intangibles. Could these offers from Yamaha be looked at as a bribe to a reasonable person?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

I believe the father is in the best position to judge what is good for his kid. I believe adults have the capacity to say no...

I believe the father is in the best position to judge what is good for his kid.

I believe adults have the capacity to say no when it's not in their interest to say yes.

I believe that, given the father agreed, this is no different from if the claim and gone through, and Star and Yamaha had approached them after and offered to buy the bike back. I think the same negotiations happen, and that there is nothing wrong with someone who has secured a right using that as leverage to get something that they judge to be better.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...

It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

DonM wrote:

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional...

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional rollercoaster you're on....he has a different opinion than you and that's ok.

TeamGreen wrote:

Where's Tony Alessi when you need him?

OleTex wrote:

HaHaHa! Now that was funny.

USA wrote:

Ok, I was referring to this conversation happening today. I take "octopus" to mean MXSports from context clues. You have a different meaning and history with...

Ok, I was referring to this conversation happening today. I take "octopus" to mean MXSports from context clues. You have a different meaning and history with the term, so I think I get where you're coming from.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Also referred to by the same friend as the Morgantown Mafia. Peace. There are very few people making this industry go that don't wear multiple hats...

Also referred to by the same friend as the Morgantown Mafia.

Peace.

There are very few people making this industry go that don't wear multiple hats, often at the same time. God, most people do this because they love it and don't want it to die. It's not enough by itself to impugn anybody, which is why I keep pressing for facts about actual intent by MXSports to produce this kid not getting the bike.

It absolutely could and should have been handled better, and although I have not spoken to Davey for several years I can't imagine that he isn't as upset as anyone.

Take care brother, I am going to try and force myself to drop this.

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

DonM wrote:

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional...

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional rollercoaster you're on....he has a different opinion than you and that's ok.

holyroller1 wrote:

DonM, You are partially correct. This isn't about mob mentality for me. It's me being a dumb ass. I posted this evening after having some drinks...

DonM, You are partially correct. This isn't about mob mentality for me. It's me being a dumb ass. I posted this evening after having some drinks and shit went wrong on my end.

I do apologize to caviar&cigarettes338

DonM wrote:

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional...

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional rollercoaster you're on....he has a different opinion than you and that's ok.

holyroller1 wrote:

DonM, You are partially correct. This isn't about mob mentality for me. It's me being a dumb ass. I posted this evening after having some drinks...

DonM, You are partially correct. This isn't about mob mentality for me. It's me being a dumb ass. I posted this evening after having some drinks and shit went wrong on my end.

I do apologize to caviar&cigarettes338

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

It’s ok man I’m sorry also I was just as bad

USA wrote:

Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal? It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now...

Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal?

It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now it gets down to the intangibles. Could these offers from Yamaha be looked at as a bribe to a reasonable person?

FreshTopEnd wrote:

I believe the father is in the best position to judge what is good for his kid. I believe adults have the capacity to say no...

I believe the father is in the best position to judge what is good for his kid.

I believe adults have the capacity to say no when it's not in their interest to say yes.

I believe that, given the father agreed, this is no different from if the claim and gone through, and Star and Yamaha had approached them after and offered to buy the bike back. I think the same negotiations happen, and that there is nothing wrong with someone who has secured a right using that as leverage to get something that they judge to be better.

USA wrote:

I think the question I asked could be misinterpereted, I apologize, but my intent was to ask about the offer itself being an honest way to...

I think the question I asked could be misinterpereted, I apologize, but my intent was to ask about the offer itself being an honest way to go about this. I agree that the father can make decisions on behalf of his son.

You touched on the offer/bribe itself,

"there is nothing wrong with someone who has secured a right using that as leverage to get something that they judge to be better."

In this particular case, I think of Brennan as the person that 'secured a right', but it is actually Donny/Yamaha that secured the two motors to use as leverage to offer Brennan so he would drop the claim. I think that's what you are saying here, that there is nothing 'wrong' about it, but right and wrong don't necessarily correlate to honest or dishonest.

Do you believe it is an honest way to go about getting the claim dropped? To offer 2 motors after you were certain that Brennan and his crew weren't going to change their mind.

holyroller1 wrote:

I am the dummy. I swear I saw this on Instagram but apparently I did not.

I apologize caviar&cigarettes338

I am the mental midget.

DonM wrote:

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional...

Typical mob mentality....resort to name calling when someone has a differing opinion...we're not talking life or death here many of you need to slow the emotional rollercoaster you're on....he has a different opinion than you and that's ok.

holyroller1 wrote:

DonM, You are partially correct. This isn't about mob mentality for me. It's me being a dumb ass. I posted this evening after having some drinks...

DonM, You are partially correct. This isn't about mob mentality for me. It's me being a dumb ass. I posted this evening after having some drinks and shit went wrong on my end.

I do apologize to caviar&cigarettes338