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8/17/2022 4:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 6:08pm
Did they dictate the outcome?
USA wrote:
They were involved intimately from start of the claim to the end of the claim.

"You can't observe something without changing it"
plowboy wrote:
From what "slowoldguy" aka Burkeen has posted. The AMA sanctioning body does not have the personnel to actually "sanction" all the AMA events and it appears...
From what "slowoldguy" aka Burkeen has posted. The AMA sanctioning body does not have the personnel to actually "sanction" all the AMA events and it appears they have delegated/relegated that authority to the promoters.

I had always believed that what separated an AMA event from Chicken Licks was that there was an AMA marshall or official on site that made sure the rules were upheld. If this is not the case...and the event "promoter or organizer" can be delegated sanctioning authority...I think there's a problem.

I've mostly raced Chicken Licks and so have y'all. The amount of favoritism, bullshit and downright cheating is constant. AMA sanctioning was supposed to eliminate that crap. Color me embarrassed.
You would think with AMA's sanctioning fee's they could pay a referee to be at every event. How much would you have to pay a referee? A couple hundred dollars for a day's work and the love of the sport? They don't because there's no return on investment and that would take away from Rob Dingman's salary.
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Where's Tony Alessi when you need him? Grinning
HaHaHa! Now that was funny.
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DonM wrote:
The dad does't get decide if the deal is good enough??? You can't be serious lol!
This has been one of the most unreal things that has emerged here.
Seriously! That and the guy that thinks the kid should sue and wouldn't be torn to shreds by an opposing attorney...
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MXMattii wrote:
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who...
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
Matthes wrote:
You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.
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MXMattii wrote:
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who...
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
Matthes wrote:
You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.
It's the Kooksey mob...
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8/17/2022 4:21pm
Simply put, this sounds like some adults railroaded a kid. Please let me know if I’m missing something.
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8/17/2022 4:22pm
Matthes wrote:
Don't you think that without his permission, that would be a bit jacked up of me?
731chopper wrote:
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that. I respect your opinion on this matter but...
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that.

I respect your opinion on this matter but the fact is the rules were broken by Yamaha and the crappy thing is that the AMA and MX Sports helped them do it and nothing will happen. I love moto to my core and have since I was 9 years old 25 years ago but this sport has always been very clicky in that if you’re in the right click, you can get away with anything. And that sucks. Regardless of anyone’s opinion towards the kid, he should have that motorcycle. He claimed it and gave the money to the AMA. That should’ve been the end of it.
ns503 wrote:
Exactly what rules were broken by Yamaha?
Yamaha was complicit with Haiden in circumventing the claiming rule. Page 37 of the rule book.
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8/17/2022 4:24pm
MXMattii wrote:
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who...
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
Matthes wrote:
You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.
Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?
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USA wrote:
They were involved intimately from start of the claim to the end of the claim.

"You can't observe something without changing it"
That's a competence issue, not an intent issue. I don't dispute that it should have been done differently, including the involvement of the minor's parent from...
That's a competence issue, not an intent issue. I don't dispute that it should have been done differently, including the involvement of the minor's parent from the outset.

You responded to a post in which I wrote that the "octupi" implies not that it should have been done better, but that MXSports with its Webb of relationships intended this outcome. Did they dictate this specific outcome is the question you're evading.
You came up with the implication by your own assumption.

The original guy said something like "the octopus has its tentacles in everything", and you asked how that could be true. Burkeen himself stated why this is the case.

MXSports/AMA was involved, and "dictated the outcome" when they gave the money back to Brennan. Remember, this was about 10 minutes after an unknown person knocked on the office door and exclaimed "I don't want this to happen", then Brennan came back and rescinded while being visibly upset. Apparently so upset and unsure that they had to ask him twice if he was pressured to make the claim.

Again, they can't be involved when they want and not involved when it's convenient for them. They had reasonable evidence to show there was pressure on rescinding the claim, and no precedence to reverse a claim. With how many times the kid was asked why he was claiming the bike, they knew he had his heart set on it. I believe if it were you or me in those shoes, we would have launched an investigation right there and stopped what was going on until we got to the bottom of it.
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8/17/2022 4:29pm
731chopper wrote:
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that. I respect your opinion on this matter but...
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that.

I respect your opinion on this matter but the fact is the rules were broken by Yamaha and the crappy thing is that the AMA and MX Sports helped them do it and nothing will happen. I love moto to my core and have since I was 9 years old 25 years ago but this sport has always been very clicky in that if you’re in the right click, you can get away with anything. And that sucks. Regardless of anyone’s opinion towards the kid, he should have that motorcycle. He claimed it and gave the money to the AMA. That should’ve been the end of it.
ns503 wrote:
Exactly what rules were broken by Yamaha?
731chopper wrote:
Yamaha was complicit with Haiden in circumventing the claiming rule. Page 37 of the rule book.
How exactly did they circumvent the claiming rule? Nothing in the rules said discussion between parties can't be had, or that claims can't be withdrawn once made.

If they had loaded the bike up and left with it, that's circumventing. But it was taken into custody.
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8/17/2022 4:32pm
731chopper wrote:
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that. I respect your opinion on this matter but...
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that.

I respect your opinion on this matter but the fact is the rules were broken by Yamaha and the crappy thing is that the AMA and MX Sports helped them do it and nothing will happen. I love moto to my core and have since I was 9 years old 25 years ago but this sport has always been very clicky in that if you’re in the right click, you can get away with anything. And that sucks. Regardless of anyone’s opinion towards the kid, he should have that motorcycle. He claimed it and gave the money to the AMA. That should’ve been the end of it.
ns503 wrote:
Exactly what rules were broken by Yamaha?
731chopper wrote:
Yamaha was complicit with Haiden in circumventing the claiming rule. Page 37 of the rule book.
The dealer was the one that got Brennan to drop the claim not Yamaha . The dealer said he wasn’t pressured from anyone and was not contacted from yamaha was his own decision to ask Brennan to drop claim and his own choice and right to ask for his bikes back , it’s a free world and he’s allowed to make his own decision . But that doesn’t fit the mob’s opinion here the dealer/sponsor Chris is not allowed to have opinions and make his choices so everyone here has to make of theories of why he did this and they have no grounds of truth to stand on
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You fuckers make me want to buy a truck at Star Chevrolet, go buy a Yamaha from Brennan’s dealer. Cover it in Metal Mulisha graphics and make a YouTube video of me riding it at the MotoX compound.
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ns503 wrote:
How exactly did they circumvent the claiming rule? Nothing in the rules said discussion between parties can't be had, or that claims can't be withdrawn once...
How exactly did they circumvent the claiming rule? Nothing in the rules said discussion between parties can't be had, or that claims can't be withdrawn once made.

If they had loaded the bike up and left with it, that's circumventing. But it was taken into custody.
That is what circumventing the rule means…
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8/17/2022 4:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 4:41pm
MXMattii wrote:
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who...
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
Matthes wrote:
You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.
No reason? I think I would call the former attacks a result of your lack of empathy.

PS: How does a guy who "Never Reads Vital". Always knows when he needs to read Vital.
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OleTex wrote:
Simply put, this sounds like some adults railroaded a kid. Please let me know if I’m missing something.
You missed the part where the adults brought in the hired PR gun to clean up the mess and make the kid the liar
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USA wrote:
I didn't say they can't withdraw, I implied that it's dishonest to offer someone a bribe, motors, money, etc. to back out of a claim when...
I didn't say they can't withdraw, I implied that it's dishonest to offer someone a bribe, motors, money, etc. to back out of a claim when there's no precedence for that.
Everyday in America people and businesses with legal rights to property routinely exchange those entitlements for what they consider in their self interest to be a...
Everyday in America people and businesses with legal rights to property routinely exchange those entitlements for what they consider in their self interest to be a better deal.

Reasonable people can disagree whether one Star bike is or isn't better than the deal offered. But the father had the right to judge what was in his kid's best interest. To say that everyone had to follow through with the claim makes no sense.
Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal?

It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now it gets down to the intangibles. Could these offers from Yamaha be looked at as a bribe to a reasonable person?
8/17/2022 4:42pm
Matthes wrote:
You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.
Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen




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8/17/2022 4:45pm
OleTex wrote:
Simply put, this sounds like some adults railroaded a kid. Please let me know if I’m missing something.
kage173 wrote:
You missed the part where the adults brought in the hired PR gun to clean up the mess and make the kid the liar
Thank you.
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Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.
Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen




But the kid said it was fake so it must be true that it's fake.....but wait the kid also said he was alone with Brian Deegan and Tim Cotter for 30 minutes....
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8/17/2022 4:50pm
USA wrote:
Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal? It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now...
Do you believe it was an honest way to go about this whole deal?

It's clear that there's nothing in the rules about this, so now it gets down to the intangibles. Could these offers from Yamaha be looked at as a bribe to a reasonable person?
I believe the father is in the best position to judge what is good for his kid.

I believe adults have the capacity to say no when it's not in their interest to say yes.

I believe that, given the father agreed, this is no different from if the claim and gone through, and Star and Yamaha had approached them after and offered to buy the bike back. I think the same negotiations happen, and that there is nothing wrong with someone who has secured a right using that as leverage to get something that they judge to be better.
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8/17/2022 4:50pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 4:53pm
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen




Just read the rule book, nothing in it about the motivation... Grown ups can claim each other bikes because they stole each other girls and stuff. NOTHING ABOUT MOTIVATION IN THE RULE BOOK!!

Also big mouthed Brian Deegan, crying as a little wimp about 2, YES TWO, DEUX, DOS, ... snapchat messages. The FMX scene is laughing!

PS: For all the old people, download snapchat and try to save images. If they are real, they took those screenshots months ago and that means they knew he was up to something. Or do they take screenshots of all snapchats?
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Matthes:

Why would the dealership ever disclose that threats were made from Yamaha? Threats of that nature would be unprofessional and possibly even illegal and in doing so, disclosing that Yamaha made threats would be biting the hand that feeds. It’s clear to see the dealership is acting in the interest of protecting their reputation as well as their partnership with Yamaha, by trimming the fat that is Brennan Schofield. Further, it may very well be a fact that Yamaha never made threats but I firmly believe Schofield was made to believe they were.
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It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen




MXMattii wrote:
Just read the rule book, nothing in it about the motivation... Grown ups can claim each other bikes because they stole each other girls and stuff...
Just read the rule book, nothing in it about the motivation... Grown ups can claim each other bikes because they stole each other girls and stuff. NOTHING ABOUT MOTIVATION IN THE RULE BOOK!!

Also big mouthed Brian Deegan, crying as a little wimp about 2, YES TWO, DEUX, DOS, ... snapchat messages. The FMX scene is laughing!

PS: For all the old people, download snapchat and try to save images. If they are real, they took those screenshots months ago and that means they knew he was up to something. Or do they take screenshots of all snapchats?
Don't let your emotions get in the way of critical thinking....jeez dude you need to chill a little...
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Matthes wrote:
[b]"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."[/b] Donnie got involved because their...
"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."

Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Motor builder doesn't matter in this, maybe him and Matt hate each other- whatever. That's not relevant to this situation.

"Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim??"[/b]

Chris the dealer did not take anyone into a room, Chris pulled the dad aside to talk about this.

The dad took the motors and some more stuff from Yamaha to drop the claim, he told me this- what's wrong with that?

SX_336 wrote:
The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to...
The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to mention, the motors were never a set in stone deal. If that were the case, why would Donnie mention in the ML512 interview that the dad reached out again to ask about the motors, but he said it would be a few days before he could get back to the dad. I’m starting to believe you haven’t even watched the videos. I still want to know why Donnie said on PulpMX he was almost to the hotel when he was called and informed about the claim, but told ML512 he was at the track when he found out. And again, it doesn’t matter what Star wanted. The kid filed and paid the claim. DONE DEAL!
DonM wrote:
The dad does't get decide if the deal is good enough??? You can't be serious lol!
I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating. The dad can’t say “ok, it’s a deal” and then go drop the claim. He didn’t file it.
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8/17/2022 4:57pm
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to...
Everyone is being attacked on here and no one is allowed to differ from the mobs opinion. They take everything you say and then try to twist it up to fit what they want to hear.
Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen




So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping.

FYI, it's not my opinion. It has been discredited by the person that "supposedly" posted it. If someone can bring forth a more reliable witness to say it's not fake then I will change my opinion.

You are presuming guilt with no evidence.
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8/17/2022 4:57pm
SX_336 wrote:
I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating...
I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating. The dad can’t say “ok, it’s a deal” and then go drop the claim. He didn’t file it.
Ahh, no. Dad is king until junior is emancipated.
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8/17/2022 4:59pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 5:00pm
SX_336 wrote:
The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to...
The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to mention, the motors were never a set in stone deal. If that were the case, why would Donnie mention in the ML512 interview that the dad reached out again to ask about the motors, but he said it would be a few days before he could get back to the dad. I’m starting to believe you haven’t even watched the videos. I still want to know why Donnie said on PulpMX he was almost to the hotel when he was called and informed about the claim, but told ML512 he was at the track when he found out. And again, it doesn’t matter what Star wanted. The kid filed and paid the claim. DONE DEAL!
DonM wrote:
The dad does't get decide if the deal is good enough??? You can't be serious lol!
SX_336 wrote:
I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating...
I’m saying the dad didn’t file the claim. The dad didn’t put up the money for the claim. Therefore, he isn’t the one doing the negotiating. The dad can’t say “ok, it’s a deal” and then go drop the claim. He didn’t file it.
The kid is a minor....You obviously have never been grounded after getting in trouble in school...
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8/17/2022 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 5:02pm
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You came up with the implication by your own assumption. The original guy said something like "the octopus has its tentacles in everything", and you asked...
You came up with the implication by your own assumption.

The original guy said something like "the octopus has its tentacles in everything", and you asked how that could be true. Burkeen himself stated why this is the case.

MXSports/AMA was involved, and "dictated the outcome" when they gave the money back to Brennan. Remember, this was about 10 minutes after an unknown person knocked on the office door and exclaimed "I don't want this to happen", then Brennan came back and rescinded while being visibly upset. Apparently so upset and unsure that they had to ask him twice if he was pressured to make the claim.

Again, they can't be involved when they want and not involved when it's convenient for them. They had reasonable evidence to show there was pressure on rescinding the claim, and no precedence to reverse a claim. With how many times the kid was asked why he was claiming the bike, they knew he had his heart set on it. I believe if it were you or me in those shoes, we would have launched an investigation right there and stopped what was going on until we got to the bottom of it.
BTW, sport, I didn't come up with the implication, I was in the thick of it between two friends off the web boards as it went down.
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Hey caviar&cigarettes338

Where's your next social media "capture" since the other one you were spamming was a fake?
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just...
It’s not fake and has not been proven to be fake it’s just your opinion that it’s fake and your opinion mean nothing in this just like you think my opinion means nothing in this. Here let me post them again so I can upset you again and you mob with pitch forks . If you had your way everyone would be out of a Job from Tim Cotter , Everyone at AMA, Mx Sports would be drop from promoting am and pro events, the deegans would be banned from all racing . But guess what your opinion doesn’t matter and none of this going happen




So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping. FYI, it's...
So you are saying you have the source of the social media post and they affirm it is real? Or are you just grasping.

FYI, it's not my opinion. It has been discredited by the person that "supposedly" posted it. If someone can bring forth a more reliable witness to say it's not fake then I will change my opinion.

You are presuming guilt with no evidence.
Brennan is going say they’re fake he is trying protect himself because he looks like a idiot for posting them. None of the media has said they’re fake, ML was one that posted then up in the interviews. Anyone in Brennan shoes would say they’re fake it makes him looks bad and he needs to keep the Cooksey Mob on his side
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Simple for me to understand. When a teenager plans for months to claim a bike and that had to be done within 30 mins, the dad doesnt go to get water. He goes with his son, not the engine builder. When the dad decides to tell his son to wothdraw the claim, the engine builder doesnt get all bent out of shape. Simply put, its obvious who was behind the claim.
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