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USA wrote:

According to Burkeen, MXSports officials are an arm of the AMA. MXSports inserted themselves in the situation and they can't just back out when it's convenient...

According to Burkeen, MXSports officials are an arm of the AMA. MXSports inserted themselves in the situation and they can't just back out when it's convenient for them.

Matthes wrote:

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over? I think the kids...

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over?

I think the kids assertion that Yamaha threatened his dealer was wrong to say or insinuate because thats pretty serious stuff and it wasn't proven and denied by even the dealer. I def wanted to get that part out because if Yamaha did do that, that's effed IMO. I was pretty sure they didn't and it seems they did not.

I think saying Tim Cotter (who works for Racer X's sister company) should never have put the kid in a room, I'm on RXI's payroll, would I say that if I wanted to "build my empire"?

The great part of America is we can agree to disagree. Have a good day!

Sideways91 wrote:

So do you think Yamaha, Star Racing, or the Deegan's circumvented the claim?

8tensolutions wrote:

I realize you were not asking me, but the "nail in the coffin" was the dealer talking to the Dad. The Dad then showed up and...

I realize you were not asking me, but the "nail in the coffin" was the dealer talking to the Dad. The Dad then showed up and told Brennan it was over and to remove the claim. The dealer says he was not threatened by anyone, nor was he contacted by Yamaha USA or Yamaha Canada. That's the only statement he put out. Nobody knows what the dealer actually told the Dad, but I would suggest something like "This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been for a long time as I have been giving your son free bikes to ride. Claiming another riders bike will be a reflection of me and I would appreciate it if you would not do this".

Matthes wrote:

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over? I think the kids...

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over?

I think the kids assertion that Yamaha threatened his dealer was wrong to say or insinuate because thats pretty serious stuff and it wasn't proven and denied by even the dealer. I def wanted to get that part out because if Yamaha did do that, that's effed IMO. I was pretty sure they didn't and it seems they did not.

I think saying Tim Cotter (who works for Racer X's sister company) should never have put the kid in a room, I'm on RXI's payroll, would I say that if I wanted to "build my empire"?

The great part of America is we can agree to disagree. Have a good day!

USA wrote:

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own...

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own words from the Vital interview.

You say if the kid should have gotten the bike and that this never would have been a problem if Deegan and the team just gave it up like they were supposed to. A Yamaha employee is directly involved in this, and is on record saying after he knew the kid wouldn't change his mind, he offered 2 free motors and a ride day at the goat farm.

Sideways91 wrote:

So do you think Yamaha, Star Racing, or the Deegan's circumvented the claim?

8tensolutions wrote:

I realize you were not asking me, but the "nail in the coffin" was the dealer talking to the Dad. The Dad then showed up and...

I realize you were not asking me, but the "nail in the coffin" was the dealer talking to the Dad. The Dad then showed up and told Brennan it was over and to remove the claim. The dealer says he was not threatened by anyone, nor was he contacted by Yamaha USA or Yamaha Canada. That's the only statement he put out. Nobody knows what the dealer actually told the Dad, but I would suggest something like "This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been for a long time as I have been giving your son free bikes to ride. Claiming another riders bike will be a reflection of me and I would appreciate it if you would not do this".

dkurtd wrote:

So if you get to suggest: "This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been...

So if you get to suggest:

"This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been for a long time as I have been giving your son free bikes to ride. Claiming another riders bike will be a reflection of me and I would appreciate it if you would not do this".

I can then suggest:

"This thing has gotten out of hand, that guy sitting down there with your son is Dave Luce, the head of Yamaha amateur sports. He has already told Matt this thing is going away, or I could possibly feel some heat from this. I support your son all I can and will into the future we just need this to go away for the sake of my dealership and ability to provide those bikes."

See how that works.

Matthes wrote:

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over? I think the kids...

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over?

I think the kids assertion that Yamaha threatened his dealer was wrong to say or insinuate because thats pretty serious stuff and it wasn't proven and denied by even the dealer. I def wanted to get that part out because if Yamaha did do that, that's effed IMO. I was pretty sure they didn't and it seems they did not.

I think saying Tim Cotter (who works for Racer X's sister company) should never have put the kid in a room, I'm on RXI's payroll, would I say that if I wanted to "build my empire"?

The great part of America is we can agree to disagree. Have a good day!

USA wrote:

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own...

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own words from the Vital interview.

You say if the kid should have gotten the bike and that this never would have been a problem if Deegan and the team just gave it up like they were supposed to. A Yamaha employee is directly involved in this, and is on record saying after he knew the kid wouldn't change his mind, he offered 2 free motors and a ride day at the goat farm.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

8tensolutions wrote:

I realize you were not asking me, but the "nail in the coffin" was the dealer talking to the Dad. The Dad then showed up and...

I realize you were not asking me, but the "nail in the coffin" was the dealer talking to the Dad. The Dad then showed up and told Brennan it was over and to remove the claim. The dealer says he was not threatened by anyone, nor was he contacted by Yamaha USA or Yamaha Canada. That's the only statement he put out. Nobody knows what the dealer actually told the Dad, but I would suggest something like "This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been for a long time as I have been giving your son free bikes to ride. Claiming another riders bike will be a reflection of me and I would appreciate it if you would not do this".

dkurtd wrote:

So if you get to suggest: "This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been...

So if you get to suggest:

"This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been for a long time as I have been giving your son free bikes to ride. Claiming another riders bike will be a reflection of me and I would appreciate it if you would not do this".

I can then suggest:

"This thing has gotten out of hand, that guy sitting down there with your son is Dave Luce, the head of Yamaha amateur sports. He has already told Matt this thing is going away, or I could possibly feel some heat from this. I support your son all I can and will into the future we just need this to go away for the sake of my dealership and ability to provide those bikes."

See how that works.

8tensolutions wrote:

I do see how that works and that's the same thing. Your example is a supporter giving advice to a rider and his dad that is...

I do see how that works and that's the same thing. Your example is a supporter giving advice to a rider and his dad that is also a reflection of him and his business/livelihood. What you wrote is almost exactly the same as my example so not sure what you are getting at.

Matthes wrote:

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over? I think the kids...

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over?

I think the kids assertion that Yamaha threatened his dealer was wrong to say or insinuate because thats pretty serious stuff and it wasn't proven and denied by even the dealer. I def wanted to get that part out because if Yamaha did do that, that's effed IMO. I was pretty sure they didn't and it seems they did not.

I think saying Tim Cotter (who works for Racer X's sister company) should never have put the kid in a room, I'm on RXI's payroll, would I say that if I wanted to "build my empire"?

The great part of America is we can agree to disagree. Have a good day!

USA wrote:

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own...

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own words from the Vital interview.

You say if the kid should have gotten the bike and that this never would have been a problem if Deegan and the team just gave it up like they were supposed to. A Yamaha employee is directly involved in this, and is on record saying after he knew the kid wouldn't change his mind, he offered 2 free motors and a ride day at the goat farm.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

USA wrote:

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own...

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own words from the Vital interview.

You say if the kid should have gotten the bike and that this never would have been a problem if Deegan and the team just gave it up like they were supposed to. A Yamaha employee is directly involved in this, and is on record saying after he knew the kid wouldn't change his mind, he offered 2 free motors and a ride day at the goat farm.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

dkurtd wrote:

Friends? The dealer that dropped him? The trainer that threatened him? If those are friends then who needs enemies.

dkurtd wrote:

So if you get to suggest: "This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been...

So if you get to suggest:

"This is not a good look for my shop and our name is all over your bikes and has been for a long time as I have been giving your son free bikes to ride. Claiming another riders bike will be a reflection of me and I would appreciate it if you would not do this".

I can then suggest:

"This thing has gotten out of hand, that guy sitting down there with your son is Dave Luce, the head of Yamaha amateur sports. He has already told Matt this thing is going away, or I could possibly feel some heat from this. I support your son all I can and will into the future we just need this to go away for the sake of my dealership and ability to provide those bikes."

See how that works.

8tensolutions wrote:

I do see how that works and that's the same thing. Your example is a supporter giving advice to a rider and his dad that is...

I do see how that works and that's the same thing. Your example is a supporter giving advice to a rider and his dad that is also a reflection of him and his business/livelihood. What you wrote is almost exactly the same as my example so not sure what you are getting at.

dkurtd wrote:

Not even close to the same.

USA wrote:

According to Burkeen, MXSports officials are an arm of the AMA. MXSports inserted themselves in the situation and they can't just back out when it's convenient...

According to Burkeen, MXSports officials are an arm of the AMA. MXSports inserted themselves in the situation and they can't just back out when it's convenient for them.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

First of all, this is not news. Nor uncommon. Nor avoidable given their management of this event. So how did this get "octupied." Not just should...

First of all, this is not news. Nor uncommon. Nor avoidable given their management of this event.

So how did this get "octupied." Not just should have been handled differently and better (which just about everyone admits), but how and why was this outcome deliberately skewed to its outcome. By Davey. I'd like to see a deliberate factual explanation of this that displays some sound critical thinking, rather than these side shots that try to imply perfidy without the dignity of playing the cards. That explanation would have to have a factual explanation why MXSports dictated this outcome intentionally, because that's what the "occupi" defamation implies. It's weak and lazy.

You'd have to live under rock not to know Davey and his family's deep history in this sport, which is a sport built on a webb of relationships from day one. The sport would have died a long time ago without those relationships given its small size and intimacy. Someone is going to have to do better than tossing out catchphrase for men to be convinced why Davey's history as a journalist, publisher, promoter, AMA official and I believe board member at one time, has been a detriment to American motocross.

And when deploying that weak catchphrase, recall that it was coined and used to disparage Davey and his group to the benefit of Youthstream's attempt to take over US motocross when Davey's group worked with Daytona Motorsports group to counterbid. Context, and facts, matter.

USA wrote:

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own...

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own words from the Vital interview.

You say if the kid should have gotten the bike and that this never would have been a problem if Deegan and the team just gave it up like they were supposed to. A Yamaha employee is directly involved in this, and is on record saying after he knew the kid wouldn't change his mind, he offered 2 free motors and a ride day at the goat farm.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

USA wrote:

Multiple facets of that statement are 'wrong', why did Yamaha feel that they needed to offer some motors to stop the kid from claiming the bike...

Multiple facets of that statement are 'wrong', why did Yamaha feel that they needed to offer some motors to stop the kid from claiming the bike? Are bribes now considered 'advice'? Why did Walker and the Dealer get involved in sharing this advice in the first place?

Yamaha is represented by Donny Luce in this situation.

Matthes wrote:

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over? I think the kids...

I think that the kid should have the bike- if I was up Yamaha's ass, would I say that over and over?

I think the kids assertion that Yamaha threatened his dealer was wrong to say or insinuate because thats pretty serious stuff and it wasn't proven and denied by even the dealer. I def wanted to get that part out because if Yamaha did do that, that's effed IMO. I was pretty sure they didn't and it seems they did not.

I think saying Tim Cotter (who works for Racer X's sister company) should never have put the kid in a room, I'm on RXI's payroll, would I say that if I wanted to "build my empire"?

The great part of America is we can agree to disagree. Have a good day!

USA wrote:

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own...

Do you think Donny Luce was acting in Yamaha's best interests when he went to the Walker pit to "change their mind"? Those are his own words from the Vital interview.

You say if the kid should have gotten the bike and that this never would have been a problem if Deegan and the team just gave it up like they were supposed to. A Yamaha employee is directly involved in this, and is on record saying after he knew the kid wouldn't change his mind, he offered 2 free motors and a ride day at the goat farm.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

GPrider wrote:

Steve, do you not see how we all think you were easy on Donny? Listen back, you were feeding him softballs and basically answering for him...

Steve, do you not see how we all think you were easy on Donny? Listen back, you were feeding him softballs and basically answering for him. Do you not see that, serious question.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

USA wrote:

You asked the question. I answered with why MXSports (event promoter) was involved in an AMA officiating matter.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

8tensolutions wrote:

I do see how that works and that's the same thing. Your example is a supporter giving advice to a rider and his dad that is...

I do see how that works and that's the same thing. Your example is a supporter giving advice to a rider and his dad that is also a reflection of him and his business/livelihood. What you wrote is almost exactly the same as my example so not sure what you are getting at.

dkurtd wrote:

Not even close to the same.

8tensolutions wrote:

Dude. The only difference is your quote is insinuating pressure from Yamaha to the dealer, which the dealer stated never happened. What are you getting at...

Dude. The only difference is your quote is insinuating pressure from Yamaha to the dealer, which the dealer stated never happened. What are you getting at?? Donnie and the dealer said the same thing. Dealer pulled Dad aside and had a private conversation that resulted in Dad returning saying they were rescinding the claim. This really isn't that hard. It is super clear from all parties the Dealer is the reason the claim was removed.....simple as that.....and then Brennan decided to blast this all over You Tube and the dealer pulled his support anyway....likely due to that which is now an even worse look if you own that business due to all of this "publicity".

BBA wrote:

Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much...

Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much forced to if he wanted to continue to have his bikes, which were taken away from him anyway after the fact.

Damn dude, Maybe you should put one of those cigarette pack style warning labels on your show for a disclaimer about being totally in the industry's pocket and your opinions are based on who's ass you are kissing!

Matthes wrote:

Yeah, at that point they worked with the kid closely for years and were not in favor of him making that claim. Friends, yes. Matt didn't...

Yeah, at that point they worked with the kid closely for years and were not in favor of him making that claim. Friends, yes. Matt didn't threaten him, According to Brennan, Matt said he shouldn't do it, it would hurt his career, etc...that's not "threatening" him.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

USA wrote:

Multiple facets of that statement are 'wrong', why did Yamaha feel that they needed to offer some motors to stop the kid from claiming the bike...

Multiple facets of that statement are 'wrong', why did Yamaha feel that they needed to offer some motors to stop the kid from claiming the bike? Are bribes now considered 'advice'? Why did Walker and the Dealer get involved in sharing this advice in the first place?

Yamaha is represented by Donny Luce in this situation.

Matthes wrote:

The reason the people he works closely with get involved, is just like your friends would offer you advice on jumping a triple or buying a...

The reason the people he works closely with get involved, is just like your friends would offer you advice on jumping a triple or buying a new truck. Doesn't mean kid has to take the advice. How can you see anything wrong with that? No one threatened the kid with violence or tied him up, it was advice to a friend.

Yamaha (Donnie) wanted to appease their partner (Star) and their number one amateur rider (Deegan), you say bribe, I say offer. Bribe, whatever- the dad and the kid took it. What's wrong with this? He could've kept the claim up regardless, I mean after meeting with AMA, Cotter and Deegan and Deegan giving him heat, he still kept the claim up.

So you know he wasn't intimidated at this point by someone he didn't know and had "beef" with, why would he be scared of his dealer that supports him and a guy who he rode at his facility for three years?

dkurtd wrote:

Not even close to the same.

8tensolutions wrote:

Dude. The only difference is your quote is insinuating pressure from Yamaha to the dealer, which the dealer stated never happened. What are you getting at...

Dude. The only difference is your quote is insinuating pressure from Yamaha to the dealer, which the dealer stated never happened. What are you getting at?? Donnie and the dealer said the same thing. Dealer pulled Dad aside and had a private conversation that resulted in Dad returning saying they were rescinding the claim. This really isn't that hard. It is super clear from all parties the Dealer is the reason the claim was removed.....simple as that.....and then Brennan decided to blast this all over You Tube and the dealer pulled his support anyway....likely due to that which is now an even worse look if you own that business due to all of this "publicity".

dkurtd wrote:

You believe the dealer, I don't. You believe Luce, I don't. I believe the kid has more credibility than both, you obviously don't. We'll just have...

You believe the dealer, I don't. You believe Luce, I don't. I believe the kid has more credibility than both, you obviously don't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Matthes wrote:

It sucks to see people saying Donnie should be fired, I know this has been hard on him. Maybe I had some empathy for him? I...

It sucks to see people saying Donnie should be fired, I know this has been hard on him. Maybe I had some empathy for him? I did not feel I was answering for him. Agree to disagree.

SX_336 wrote:

Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his...

Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his engine builder etc….Again, if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this. You have Deegan, Potter, Walker and Yamaha trying to talk the kid out of it and he wasn’t budging. Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim?? C’mon man! We all know what happened in that chat without knowing what happened in that chat. It’s also the reason the dealer isn’t talking to anyone. He knows not to say anything. You know it just as the rest of us know it.

USA wrote:

Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'? Do you believe this is an honest way...

Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'?

Do you believe this is an honest way to go about this from Donny's side? To appease Star and Deegan by floating an 'offer' to someone that was going to make their life slightly difficult due to a rule in the rulebook?

DistantMXFan wrote:

lol at you guys arguing about the AMA/Deegan/Cotter in the trailer. If you've watched all the interviews, nobody involved (to include Brennan) is claiming there was...

lol at you guys arguing about the AMA/Deegan/Cotter in the trailer.

If you've watched all the interviews, nobody involved (to include Brennan) is claiming there was a problem with anything that took place during that initial interaction, or the Deegan "meeting" for that matter. In hindsight, it certainly has the look of impropriety, but nobody is claiming that anything nefarious occured.

Where this went sideways was clearly at Matt Walkers (Trainer) trailer with Donnie (Yamaha), and Chris (Sponsor). I think that's fairly obvious if you've actually sat down and watched everyone's account.

BBA wrote:

Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much...

Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much forced to if he wanted to continue to have his bikes, which were taken away from him anyway after the fact.

Damn dude, Maybe you should put one of those cigarette pack style warning labels on your show for a disclaimer about being totally in the industry's pocket and your opinions are based on who's ass you are kissing!

Matthes wrote:

But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in...

But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in this decided that deal was good enough to drop the claim?

Because he did.

BBA wrote:

Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much...

Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much forced to if he wanted to continue to have his bikes, which were taken away from him anyway after the fact.

Damn dude, Maybe you should put one of those cigarette pack style warning labels on your show for a disclaimer about being totally in the industry's pocket and your opinions are based on who's ass you are kissing!

Matthes wrote:

But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in...

But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in this decided that deal was good enough to drop the claim?

Because he did.

dkurtd wrote:

So, you're saying you had a conversation with the dad? Please tell us more.

Matthes wrote:

What's wrong with the kid and the dad deciding that they'll heed their friends advice (Walker, dealer), take the motors and drop the claim?

USA wrote:

Multiple facets of that statement are 'wrong', why did Yamaha feel that they needed to offer some motors to stop the kid from claiming the bike...

Multiple facets of that statement are 'wrong', why did Yamaha feel that they needed to offer some motors to stop the kid from claiming the bike? Are bribes now considered 'advice'? Why did Walker and the Dealer get involved in sharing this advice in the first place?

Yamaha is represented by Donny Luce in this situation.

Matthes wrote:

The reason the people he works closely with get involved, is just like your friends would offer you advice on jumping a triple or buying a...

The reason the people he works closely with get involved, is just like your friends would offer you advice on jumping a triple or buying a new truck. Doesn't mean kid has to take the advice. How can you see anything wrong with that? No one threatened the kid with violence or tied him up, it was advice to a friend.

Yamaha (Donnie) wanted to appease their partner (Star) and their number one amateur rider (Deegan), you say bribe, I say offer. Bribe, whatever- the dad and the kid took it. What's wrong with this? He could've kept the claim up regardless, I mean after meeting with AMA, Cotter and Deegan and Deegan giving him heat, he still kept the claim up.

So you know he wasn't intimidated at this point by someone he didn't know and had "beef" with, why would he be scared of his dealer that supports him and a guy who he rode at his facility for three years?