Steve Matthes…….Claimgate Video…….PulpFictionMX

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Steve, I like how you keep saying “The Kid should have the bike,” but constantly try and make it out as though he is the one lying. Is this your best attempt at smoke and mirrors?


So you say there is no way that Luce, Walker, MX Sports or the Dealership could lie? It HAS to be the kid? Do you really think any of the people with a lot to lose are going to come out and admit they lied?

1) Donnie Luce on your show last night stated he was almost to the hotel when he found out about the claim. He told Michael Lindsay he was at the track when he found out. Also, you say he offered up 2 motors earlier in the week on your video, yet he told Michael Lindsay he learned that the kid was having motor issues at Matt Walkers RV meeting. So obviously Donnie isn’t being 100% honest.

2) This kid had been adamant about claiming the bike UNTIL the meeting at Matt Walkers RV. The dealer that sponsors him takes him behind closed doors and then all of a sudden the kid decides to drop the claim? It’s OBVIOUS his dealership threatened him in some way. And the ONLY reason they would threaten the kid is if the dealership was threatened in some way. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what went on here. Quit sucking up to Yamaha and do your damn job. It’s your responsibility given the profession YOU chose. WE the viewers pay your bills, not Yamaha. Without us, you have no business.

3) Donnie Luce says Star was ready to hand the bike over, yet Star says they DID NOT want to hand the bike over. These two parties alone can’t even get their stories straight.

4) The ONLY people this whole claim involved was the kid and the AMA. He filed the claim, he paid the claim and end of story. ALL of this Luce, Cotter, Deegan, Walker and dealership crap is pure crap. NONE of them had ANY business being involved in it. The fact that anyone involved one of them, let alone all of them is BS. The AMA in charge of processing the claim SHOULD have stopped all of this. Actually, they shouldn’t have allowed ANY of this to happen in the first place. NONE of these meetings should have happened. The kid was strong armed, period. If you can’t see that, it’s time to go back to wrenching. Either that or change the name from PulpMX to PulpfictionMX.

Quit blaming the kid for all of this. He filed the claim and paid the claim. The rest of this is just horseshit. If it DID go to court, no way this kid isn’t getting the bike simply because he did everything legal. All this other stuff was not part of the process and never should have been allowed to take place.
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8/16/2022 4:56pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 6:56pm
Yeah I defended Steve a bit on how he handled it last night on Pulp...this video turns it all the way around for me. Not a good look and CLEARLY biased and agenda-based.
A 17 year old kid is not going to have perfect recollection of the whole thing, and to expect him to is unreasonable. He was bullied by adults he's looked up to, and is now being interviewed by so many people.
Meanwhile ALL the adults who are being interviewed have something to lose....
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Link to this video?
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8/16/2022 5:17pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 5:17pm
This could have been posted in one of the other two Pulp threads.

Too many threads on this drama. We need a merge.

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From what I understand it is perfectly acceptable for Star, or the Deagan’s to say …… Hey we really don’t want to give up the bike! Is there anything we can do to change your mind, like a different bike, maybe some motors? I believe negotiations are perfectly acceptable. As “ business men” I surprised good faith bargaining didn’t take place.
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It's pity the kid and his dad got overplayed with: "We gonna screw your sponsor, your dealer in Canada". Because he held his head up high, took all the garbage they threw at him and than said: OK I pull my claim if you are going to target my sponsors, and now he still is screwed because the dealer dumped him if I stand correct, not? He should've left Loretta with the bike, ride a bit with it and than sold that thing to the highest bidder after all that crap!

What did we learn, if you aren't popular like the Alessi' people nobody will care about someone claiming your bike. If you are a billionaire, because that is Brian Deegan due to being a FMX rider in the right era creating a few brands like Metal IDFK, and you are backed by a powerful team. Rules are there to break or to manipulate.

Babyface Haiden!
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I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff.

This situation has proven he is a tool.

His whole "kid says there were only 2 people in the room but there were actually 3 people" bitch fest is so petty. I assume he has never heard the term "selective attention."

The discrepancies between his interviews on pulp mx show vs ML's interviews are shocking. I don't need to rehash the inconsistency of the people he is choosing to side with on this. Let's just say the majority of inconsistency does not come from the side of the 17 year old.

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At the end of the day he got screwed out of the bike. He didn't bring 17k cash and make the claim and plan to back out of the deal and get the money back. He got pressured out of it. All these industry guys want to jack off the deegans because their the cool guys. Let's say they opened the motor and star was cheating how bad would that blow up that the best team right is cheating at loretta. Obviously everyone that was in on this is gonna make it out like they did no wrong but at the end of the day why else did he back out of the deal? If it wasn't turned into a big deal then the sponsor from canada wouldn't of even found out this fast and been pressured either
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8/16/2022 5:28pm
The octopus has his tentacle's in everything. Blush
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Steve is protecting one of his next guests, he knows that "this kid" Brennan Schofield, will very likely never become a pro. So he is useless for his podcast. But just imagine that he was more than a entertainment, infotainment for example. And he goes deeper into the case and makes Yamaha (a sponsor) unhappy, he makes (Star Racing) unhappy and he makes the Deegan Family unhappy. That would create a very annoying situation for himself and the Pulp Podcast. He would lose money from sponsors or like he calls them advertisers. He wouldn't have as easy access to the star racing riders as he has now, he probably goes in there trailer like it is his to take a Monster Ultra Melon (they are great) and he would lose a so called future superstar of the sport Haiden "Babyface" Deegan to invite or call in his show.

So be honest, being a true opportunist who do you throw under the bus?!
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Near the end of the video Steve also claims it doesn't matter that Walker physically threatened Brennan's engine builder and only other person with him at the time with the Yamaha rep. Like that wouldn't have any influence on the situation or where this could go at all 😂
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8/16/2022 5:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 5:43pm
Thank you for pointing out that this wasn’t just a clip from the podcast. I figured it was just a segment from the show I listened to on Monday when I saw it in my feed.
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I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff. This situation has proven he...
I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff.

This situation has proven he is a tool.

His whole "kid says there were only 2 people in the room but there were actually 3 people" bitch fest is so petty. I assume he has never heard the term "selective attention."

The discrepancies between his interviews on pulp mx show vs ML's interviews are shocking. I don't need to rehash the inconsistency of the people he is choosing to side with on this. Let's just say the majority of inconsistency does not come from the side of the 17 year old.

The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the actual truth was an AMA official was there the whole time. That is much different than just a 3rd dude in there getting coffee.
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Near the end of the video Steve also claims it doesn't matter that Walker physically threatened Brennan's engine builder and only other person with him at...
Near the end of the video Steve also claims it doesn't matter that Walker physically threatened Brennan's engine builder and only other person with him at the time with the Yamaha rep. Like that wouldn't have any influence on the situation or where this could go at all 😂
Fully agree...very disappointing that Steve swept that under the rug. In one interview Walker admits "things were heated". In Derek's interview, it sure seemed sincere to me that he was scared of being physically attacked by Walker. In Walker's video, he said that he "simply asked Derek to leave his pits". But Steve admitted that Walker threatened Derek and writes it off as "so what, big deal".
I'm a huge fan of Pulp's volume of work, but this incident really sours me.
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8/16/2022 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 6:06pm
The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the...
The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the actual truth was an AMA official was there the whole time. That is much different than just a 3rd dude in there getting coffee.
If you watch the video the Tyler kid did with Derrick Harris, he says it was just the two of them, then the AMA official showed up and went in as well. He says he (AMA) wasn’t in there but a few minutes.

Derrick also states that Walker threatened him several times, BEFORE asking him to leave his camp.

I’m not a fan of the Derrick guy, judging from previous posts on here, but I believe that he’s probably more credible than Matt Walker, who was clearly (1000%) lying and leaving out important details. Steve knows this too, you could see the whole room not buying into Matt’s call.
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I don’t mind how Steve handled it.

To put the whole issue simply, it made everyone look unprofessional.
The kid claimed the bike, there never should have been further discussions/negotiations.


But JT to me had the best takes.
He was the voice of a true professional amongst a bunch of amateurs.
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I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff. This situation has proven he...
I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff.

This situation has proven he is a tool.

His whole "kid says there were only 2 people in the room but there were actually 3 people" bitch fest is so petty. I assume he has never heard the term "selective attention."

The discrepancies between his interviews on pulp mx show vs ML's interviews are shocking. I don't need to rehash the inconsistency of the people he is choosing to side with on this. Let's just say the majority of inconsistency does not come from the side of the 17 year old.

The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the...
The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the actual truth was an AMA official was there the whole time. That is much different than just a 3rd dude in there getting coffee.
I guess you have never heard of selective attention. Look it up. You would be very surprised what people may or may not notice in situations of intense focus/stress.

Was the AMA official standing right next to Deegan and Cotter or off to the side? I really don't know. Do you know where every person was located during the meeting? If you do, spill the beans as that could change things.

The point is most of the inconsistencies have come from the side Matthes is siding with.
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From what I understand it is perfectly acceptable for Star, or the Deagan’s to say …… Hey we really don’t want to give up the bike...
From what I understand it is perfectly acceptable for Star, or the Deagan’s to say …… Hey we really don’t want to give up the bike! Is there anything we can do to change your mind, like a different bike, maybe some motors? I believe negotiations are perfectly acceptable. As “ business men” I surprised good faith bargaining didn’t take place.
Your honor line 5 of the claiming rule clearly states if a rider does not comply with the claim there is a penalty that is clearly defined. Threatening the claimant could only be defined as non-compliance.

J. Claiming

1. All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are claiming
meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent over (50
percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s suggested
retail price using the Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle
Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or NADA appraisal guide
and include the complete motorcycle, supermini or
minicycle. Vintage- and ATV-class equipment shall be
excluded from the claiming rule.

2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claimant may enter a claim with
the referee any time during the meet but no later than 30
minutes after the race results of the event in which the
claimant has competed are posted. There will be no
additional time added to this process in the event of a
claim.

3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.

4. If more than one claim is received for the same motorcycle,
the meet referee will hold a drawing to determine the
successful claimant.

5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year.

6. A rider may not enter a claim on their own equipment.

7. Any rider deemed by the AMA to be complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule (i.e. placing a claim with
the intent of returning the motorcycle to the original owner),
will be subject to a 1-year suspension of competition
privileges.
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The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the...
The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the actual truth was an AMA official was there the whole time. That is much different than just a 3rd dude in there getting coffee.
If you watch the video the Tyler kid did with Derrick Harris, he says it was just the two of them, then the AMA official showed...
If you watch the video the Tyler kid did with Derrick Harris, he says it was just the two of them, then the AMA official showed up and went in as well. He says he (AMA) wasn’t in there but a few minutes.

Derrick also states that Walker threatened him several times, BEFORE asking him to leave his camp.

I’m not a fan of the Derrick guy, judging from previous posts on here, but I believe that he’s probably more credible than Matt Walker, who was clearly (1000%) lying and leaving out important details. Steve knows this too, you could see the whole room not buying into Matt’s call.
Mike Burkeen, the official, said he was there the whole time as did Cotter.
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I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff. This situation has proven he...
I have never said a thing about Matthes ever before in my life aside from I dig some of his stuff.

This situation has proven he is a tool.

His whole "kid says there were only 2 people in the room but there were actually 3 people" bitch fest is so petty. I assume he has never heard the term "selective attention."

The discrepancies between his interviews on pulp mx show vs ML's interviews are shocking. I don't need to rehash the inconsistency of the people he is choosing to side with on this. Let's just say the majority of inconsistency does not come from the side of the 17 year old.

The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the...
The "2-3" person thing is a very big deal. The kid specifically said it was just Deegan and Cotter, neither of which represent the AMA....where the actual truth was an AMA official was there the whole time. That is much different than just a 3rd dude in there getting coffee.
I guess you have never heard of selective attention. Look it up. You would be very surprised what people may or may not notice in situations...
I guess you have never heard of selective attention. Look it up. You would be very surprised what people may or may not notice in situations of intense focus/stress.

Was the AMA official standing right next to Deegan and Cotter or off to the side? I really don't know. Do you know where every person was located during the meeting? If you do, spill the beans as that could change things.

The point is most of the inconsistencies have come from the side Matthes is siding with.
There a massive inconsistencies on both sides and all sides. Brennan also said the dealer was threatened and then changed it to "I assumed they were" among other things. I don't know what the hell to believe, but Brennan should have the bike and it should be made right somehow. Once he had the receipt for the claim, he should have left with the bike after Keegan's last moto. Why all the other garbage in between happened is just that. Garbage.
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Mike Burkeen, the official, said he was there the whole time as did Cotter.
I haven’t listened to all these interviews, so if they both made it CLEAR that they were both in the room, the entire time, then I missed that.
That would obviously go against what Brennen and Derrick said and they were very detailed about the time line of events.
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From what I understand it is perfectly acceptable for Star, or the Deagan’s to say …… Hey we really don’t want to give up the bike...
From what I understand it is perfectly acceptable for Star, or the Deagan’s to say …… Hey we really don’t want to give up the bike! Is there anything we can do to change your mind, like a different bike, maybe some motors? I believe negotiations are perfectly acceptable. As “ business men” I surprised good faith bargaining didn’t take place.
Yeah. I have limited managerial experience and find it hard to fathom how this wasn’t resolved in a split second the moment this went down.

“ hey kid here’s the deal. We understand what your looking to do but let’s make this right. We will give you some side support and let you ride the bike but we can’t let you buy this thing. What’s your counter offer.” Effin simple.
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Mike Burkeen, the official, said he was there the whole time as did Cotter.
I haven’t listened to all these interviews, so if they both made it CLEAR that they were both in the room, the entire time, then I...
I haven’t listened to all these interviews, so if they both made it CLEAR that they were both in the room, the entire time, then I missed that.
That would obviously go against what Brennen and Derrick said and they were very detailed about the time line of events.
Correct. It goes directly against what Brennan and Derrick stated. They were asked directly and both made it clear Burkeen was there the whole time.
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8/16/2022 6:21pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 6:21pm
Mike Burkeen, the official, said he was there the whole time as did Cotter.
I haven’t listened to all these interviews, so if they both made it CLEAR that they were both in the room, the entire time, then I...
I haven’t listened to all these interviews, so if they both made it CLEAR that they were both in the room, the entire time, then I missed that.
That would obviously go against what Brennen and Derrick said and they were very detailed about the time line of events.
Correct. It goes directly against what Brennan and Derrick stated. They were asked directly and both made it clear Burkeen was there the whole time.
Was he in the corner twiddling his thumbs? If AMA was in the room this whole time why did he let a multi million dollar industry famous mini dad intimidate a 17 y/o? It makes everything worse if AMA is in the room the whole time.
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Correct. It goes directly against what Brennan and Derrick stated. They were asked directly and both made it clear Burkeen was there the whole time.
He said…. She said…. ?
I don’t know any of these guys, but someone is lying and it’s more than one person. Lol
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I agree with Steve. The kid's story is falling apart, specifically about not having an official in the room with him and the dealer being threatened by Yamaha. He is either being dishonest or has amnesia.

Again, and regardless of all of it, he should have the bike and none of the other garbage should have happened to begin with. Don't underestimate the naivety of a 17 year old and all of this coming at him from these adults and their jacked up actions resulted in him rescinding the claim. Thats unfortunate and I still cannot figure out where his Dad was for these several hours.

Cotter should be gone and MX Sports should be ashamed of the way their representative handled this.
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As a former lawyer, hr director. There is a lot of lying being done.
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Steve really threw Donnie from Yamaha softball questions insinuating on every one of them that Yamaha wasn't to blame before Donnie even answered.
Why did Brian, who has zero stake in Star Yamaha have any say in Questioning the kid? as others have said, he could've lit it on fire since it was going to be HIS bike. Once in a lifetime opportunity down the drain.


Whole process should be fully anonymous next time.
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Your honor line 5 of the claiming rule clearly states if a rider does not comply with the claim there is a penalty that is clearly...
Your honor line 5 of the claiming rule clearly states if a rider does not comply with the claim there is a penalty that is clearly defined. Threatening the claimant could only be defined as non-compliance.

J. Claiming

1. All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are claiming
meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent over (50
percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s suggested
retail price using the Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle
Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or NADA appraisal guide
and include the complete motorcycle, supermini or
minicycle. Vintage- and ATV-class equipment shall be
excluded from the claiming rule.

2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claimant may enter a claim with
the referee any time during the meet but no later than 30
minutes after the race results of the event in which the
claimant has competed are posted. There will be no
additional time added to this process in the event of a
claim.

3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.

4. If more than one claim is received for the same motorcycle,
the meet referee will hold a drawing to determine the
successful claimant.

5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year.

6. A rider may not enter a claim on their own equipment.

7. Any rider deemed by the AMA to be complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule (i.e. placing a claim with
the intent of returning the motorcycle to the original owner),
will be subject to a 1-year suspension of competition
privileges.
Stupid question probably (for Americans) but Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book... Where do I find that? The rules are as clear as day, but because Brennan withdraw his claim, there won't be a 1-year suspension. That suspension is that by the way for amateur events only or all AMA events?
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Your honor line 5 of the claiming rule clearly states if a rider does not comply with the claim there is a penalty that is clearly...
Your honor line 5 of the claiming rule clearly states if a rider does not comply with the claim there is a penalty that is clearly defined. Threatening the claimant could only be defined as non-compliance.

J. Claiming

1. All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are claiming
meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent over (50
percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s suggested
retail price using the Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle
Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or NADA appraisal guide
and include the complete motorcycle, supermini or
minicycle. Vintage- and ATV-class equipment shall be
excluded from the claiming rule.

2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claimant may enter a claim with
the referee any time during the meet but no later than 30
minutes after the race results of the event in which the
claimant has competed are posted. There will be no
additional time added to this process in the event of a
claim.

3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.

4. If more than one claim is received for the same motorcycle,
the meet referee will hold a drawing to determine the
successful claimant.

5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year.

6. A rider may not enter a claim on their own equipment.

7. Any rider deemed by the AMA to be complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule (i.e. placing a claim with
the intent of returning the motorcycle to the original owner),
will be subject to a 1-year suspension of competition
privileges.
MXMattii wrote:
Stupid question probably (for Americans) but Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book... Where do I find that? The rules are as clear...
Stupid question probably (for Americans) but Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book... Where do I find that? The rules are as clear as day, but because Brennan withdraw his claim, there won't be a 1-year suspension. That suspension is that by the way for amateur events only or all AMA events?
There is no ground for penalization since the claim was retracted and the claimed bike’s camp was allowing it to be claimed. Third parties came in and affected the outcome.

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