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I don't think keefer is wrong about the black ball thing. Its not going to ruin the kids career but it could always be a topic hanging over his head for the rest of his career.
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People freak out on this site if others opinion don't align with their own and then they jump on the hater band wagon. This site is sad sometimes.
It blows my mind people don't think him claiming the bike won't follow him for the rest of his career.
Do you get blackballed for protesting bikes? Doesn’t seem like it. Why not? Why the discrepancy between the two rules?
You seemed to clearly state your point of view from both sides.
And you clearly understood the situation and did a good job of explaining the "blackballed by the industry" part.
Steve just seems to be going with the flow and agreeing with every guest.
Also, all the claims about if he got the money from the engine builder, he was trying to defame, etc…. It does not matter, the rule is the rule. Either play by the rules, or take your toys and go home.
I understand that Keefer and Steve are just telling the viewers, " what could happen" or "how the industry would act", but its not their thoughts, they are just explaining it to us. But I think the industry needs to grow up and be like, "Dam, he got us." or "Well, thats too bad" or "Lets follow the rules and not bring our "A" Grade stuff because it could get claimed".
We are not curing cancer, I know this is racing, but let's grow up, let these bikes get claimed and move on. Fuck it! The teams should just go intro every AM race with the thoughts that our bikes might get claimed.
I honestly hope the next race there are 10-15 claims that go down.
Your thought process makes no sense. What good is the rule if the average everyday joe can't possibly claim?
I get it you just want the amateur scene to be fair. Everyone can build the best possible bike no budget. I think we might already have a few races that meet that criteria maybe they have some label like pro something or other????.
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But whatever, thats just my opinion. As I said, 14X, Brennan should have the bike.
You make no sense. Hell I think an amateur bike should be stock minus normal changes such as suspension and bolt ons. That is just me though. I think the typical 1.3x claim value should be across the board, because it's the amateur class. Let's let rider talent be the showcased... Oh yeah that's not what this is about.
What does a trailer have to do with a bike? The racers don't ride the trailer in the race. They can buy a 2.5 million dollar rig if they want. However when the rubber hits the track things should be as even as possible. This isn't factory racing here bud.
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That being said, I understand you are in a position of this being a conflict of interest, so I can appreciate the need to tread lightly. For that reason I appreciate JT’s unbiased take.
I guess what would have been cool is if there was more support for Brennen not to be "blackballed" because he tried to do this. Not saying Pulp would, but the industry. The "unspoken rule" that someone should do this needs to go away.
The teams needs to take it on the chin if they get a bike claimed, and move on. Shouldn't effect any kids/family future of support level.
In a dream scenario, this would be great for AM racing. And why I +1 JT$, because he said(to the context of), if someone claims a bike and is blackballed from support, the rule is flawed. Totally agree with statement, everyone either needs to man up to the rule or remove it.
I think he was actually pretty fair on this one, which is not what I expected. Keefer is a passionate dude and definitely goes on tangents and grasps at random thoughts and rabbit holes, but nobody in that room said the kid shouldn't have the bike.
They even ALL agreed the motivation for the claim was completely irrelevant.
Yes, JT was definitely the most articulate one in the conversation, which is usually how it goes.
Brennan SHOULD have the bike, everything else past that is a mess and was acknowledged on the show.
A lot of the critics on here are glossing over that "small" fact of the dealer pulling dad aside and then boom the claim is gone. We need an interview with the dad, period.
I think Luce, the dealer, and Walker are all complicit in this nonsense. I can't stand the Deegans but I don't think Brian was the villain here.
Also, the fact nobody said "Pulpitzer" on the show is pathetic...🤦🏼♂️
The point is that you seem to be defending this unspoken rule, which is detrimental to the rules and ultimately hurts people trying to be competitive against Star Yamaha, Team Green, etc. There is NO reason why these bikes should cost that much.
Yes, you and Steve keep saying he should get the bike, only because that's in the rule.
No one is calling out these teams for having such expensive, pro-level bikes at an amateur race in the first place. If we want our sport to grow, this is a big issue we must address. If you want to have an unspoken rule, make it about how even the best teams will keep things somewhat fair compared to non-sponsored riders.
Having such exotic bikes hurts both the team and the rider.
1. Now the whole moto industry knows that Star bikes are pretty much pro bikes (with few differences). How's that help sell Yamahas? It not only gives them a bad look, but it puts an asterisk next to their wins.
2. How does racing a "pro" bike help the rider when it's time to move up to the pros and suddenly everyone's on a fast bike? It doesn't, at all.
This whole thing is so stupid, but the worst part is how everyone's focused on the wrong issue.
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